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Kdogg21

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Sun Tzu said:
Well how could I have doubted the validity of Sagarin's SOS - he has Portland State at #1. they have played Western State and Fresno.


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thats awesome

OU's SOS is still gonna be tougher down the stretch w/ games vs Texas, OK St and Kansas St and if they survive that they have the Big 12 Championship. i think the rankings are fine where they are at. I would think Miami would be a spot higher than Georgia though, but we will find out how good Georgia is in 2 weeks vs LSU. SEC is looking stacked again this year.
 

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scott:

thanks for the candid reply. like i said, not having any on-field experience doesnt make your opinions any less valid. hell, some of the best football coaches are guys who never played on the big-time college or pro level (mike leach from texas tech and mike martz come to mind. those are two guys who are probably too smart for their own good. incredibly innovative football minds). my only reason for asking was because its tough to discredit most of what you post because, as i alluded to earlier, your info is well-researched and thought out, but most often presented in a statistical and numerical manner.

for example, theres no way that i (or anyone) can argue against SOS numbers and data of that sort. and, extended further, you may very well be right when you say certain coaches don't schedule as aggressively in non-conf as others. unfortunately, thats the just way it is in big time college football. these guys are trying to strike a balance between scheduling tough opponents, but also not overscheduling and hurting their team. obviously, some coaches feel scheduling incredibly tough non-conference games is the way to go, and theyll play anyone at any time (temple's chaney and msu's izzo in hoops come to mind). and they are to be commended for the quality of opponents they put on their schedule. this year, marshall traveled to georgia and osu in back to back weeks. thats impressive. right now, theyre sitting at 0-3 but its obvious theyre gonna be one of the best teams in the mac because they battled both georgia and osu on their own fields for 120 minutes. but its gotta be kept in proper perspective. for example, akron scheduled penn state and virginia this year. yeah, they scheduled aggressively, but they still suck. theyre 0-3 and i dont think it matter who they scheduled, they suck. they didnt even put up a fight vs either opponent.

what im getting at that the SOS numbers are great as a supplementary tool. but the best capping tool is still our own eyes.

sure oklahoma hasnt had a real test through the first three weeks. and no they havent left home. but the eyes dont lie. their defense played well against 3 good offensive teams (not good teams overall, but definitely good offensive teams)

as far as notre dame goes, they always do a great job of scheduling tough games. since they want to remain independent, i guess its the least we can expect of them. and i like willingham as a coach. but that team is miserable on offense. their defense is solid, but theyve got a QB who is barely hitting 50% of his passes. they remind me of the miami dolphins. no real continuity on offense, but they stay in games with their D. the fact that they schedule tough games is commendable, but the talent ultimately determines whether or not its a successful season. for example, notre dame scheduled really tough last year. they definitely didnt back away from anyone. but their schedule didnt help them, because they werent good anyways. they showed that in the navy game. they barely beat navy at home.

tying this all together with usc, i dont think anyone can argue against usc's aggressive scheduling. they didnt have to play 2 of 3 games away from home. but they cant use that as a crutch. they havent looked good in either road game. theres a lot of work to be done at usc if they want to win it outright this year.

same with georgia. they havent looked good either.

oklahoma has been the best by default. they havent been tested necessarily, but as of this very moment, they look like the best team in the country. im not saying they are the best team. im just saying that through 3 weeks of football, the performances they have offered have been crisp and sharp when compared to the two other true title contenders (usc and uga)

a final note re: michigan. i know where you guys are coming from when you say a lot of teams (michigan included) are mis-ranked simply because of their name and tradition. but i still think the wolverines ranking is fair. they havent been sharp out of the gate, but thats to be expected with a freshman quarterback. and im not ranking on 'potential'. i know mr.hockey disagrees, but i think michigan would easily handle any of the teams ranked 20 through 25. the only team that should be ranked higher than UM is minnesota (#19). it wasnt like notre dame manhandled michigan. the wolverines outgained the irish and outplayed them for most of the game. but notre dame made the big plays necessary for a comeback, and thats why michigan is 2-1. as for the sdsu game, by no means am i trying to say its acceptable for michigan to struggle with sdsu, but for whatever reason, that team is a b1tch in non-conference. they played very well in columbus last year and almost knocked off osu.
 

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SDS is one tough cookie & I think that program is going places.

I don't think Minnesota should be ranked higher because if anyone is a fraud it is them. I don't buy a thing about those Gophers until I see them prove it against top competition.

How many times in recent years have they jumped out of the gate with some pastings against inferior teams yet come crashing down to reality when they face an equal or superior foe.
 

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USC deserves to be #1 hands down as of right now, but when it's all said and done Cal is my choice
 

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USC IS NUMBER 1.... they were national champs last year and will be number 1 until they lose... as long as you are 1or 2 it doenst matter

THE COACHES POLL SHOULD BE BANISHED.... ASU not ranked after playing a perfect game of football and beating a top 15 team by 5+ tds...
I tell you it shows the coaches polls the voters dont watch the games on the west coast period... if asu loses to oregon state next week i wouldnt be surprised to see asu ranked in the coaches poll because its too difficult to watch a west coast game and they are a week behind, much like russian technology
 

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Don't forget to try that pot pie and HEY! who likes puppets ? You think the polls are bad now?

Wait 'til OHIO St. gets crushed by Purdue and they will still have Ohio St. ranked in the top 10. :142lmao:

I think Oklahoma proved how they did not belong in that championship game against LSU especially after getting tarred and feathered in the Little 12 Championship. :thefinger :142smilie :banghead:

All these rankings are a joke... they need a playoff system. PERIOD.
 

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gman2 said:
scott:



i suppose i should be looking for maine to overtake mississippi state in the top-100 poll this week as well.

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I just spit out my water when I read this line :142lmao:


I do agree with what BGold said, in my opinion the coaches poll is skewed because I think a lot of them are voting before all of the games are over on Saturday.

As for my take -- the polls are off and I'd prefer it that way. Let Joe Square see a ranking next to his favorite team and bet the line up even more. In the long run that's how the good money is made.
 

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Scott,

I understand where you're coming from, I do. The west coast gets the shaft. It has for years. BUT THIS IS A CAPPING FORUM! I'm sure if you go to usc.rivals.com you can find people who would value your weekly rants. IMO they have no place here.
 

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Scott,


Now your talking about strength of schedule again and yes Sagarin has the Pac 10 rated high but just how strong has the Pac 10 been outside the league this year? I have them as being 15-10 against non conf Div1A teams this year and this includes a rather overpowering performance against the Mountain West going 6-1, 2-2 vs WAC and 1-0 each against the Sunbelt and Big Sky. Now when they step out and play some of the big dog leagues the record becomes deceiving: 0-3 against the Big 12, 0-1 vs SEC, 3-2 against Big 10 and 1-0 against ACC! If you look deeper at those games I can only find two quality wins out of the 15 games they have won and I define quality as beating a team that more than likely has a realistic shot at being a top 30 team or a bowl team. The only quality wins I see for the Pac 10 is ASU over Iowa and USC over Va Tech, as the other wins against the Big 10 were against bottom tier teams ILL and NW.
 

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bgold13 nice win for your Sun Devils and great way to make up for that Iowa beating from last year. ASU catches USC the week after USC plays CAL and I am very worried. Decent chance ASU could be 5-0 when they play USC. Good luck to your team!

CWood97 I disagree with your post. This thread def. belongs in the CFB forum and def. can be related to handicapping. MANY cappers/fans look at the polls and I am showing how the polls are wrong. ASU is a legit top 25 team but they are not ranked. I am confident that many cappers here do not know how good ASU is or will easily forget that ASU deserves to be ranked top 25. Look again under CFB FORUM and it says Discussions and handicapping. Also, I posted this thread SUNDAY when there was exactly 1 other thread related to next weeks games and 48 OLD THREADS related to last weekend. All in all, there was NOTHING wrong with this thread. Nothing wrong talking college football in a CFB forum, especially the day after all the games were played.

Master Capper you failed to mention how many road games the Pac 10 played and what teams the Pac 10 played. For example Pac 10 played @ #1 ranked Big 12 team, @#1 SEC team, @ #1 WAC team, vs #1 Mountain West team, etc. etc. etc. For some reason you do not value playing road games. I guess we differ. I think playing road games is much harder than playing home games.
 

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I WAS HOPING THE BUCKEYES WOULD STAY UNDER THE RADAR A WHILE LONGER. AS SAT. I GOT THEM +2- AT OLYMPIC (WOW)!!

THESE RANKINGS ARE A JOKE ~ IT WILL ALL END AS IT SHOULD AS FAR AS THE TOP 5 AT THE END OF THE YEAR!!
 

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SCOTT- I dont even try and argue the pac-10 anymore. I was watching the florida tennessee game and they would cut in with Maurice Drew's 322 yard game.. no real props to drew.. but wow how bad are the defenses in the pac 10.. nevermind asu just held a big-10 team to 5 first downs... or arizona frustrating utah and wiscy
 

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BGold, I agree with everything you're saying, but that was some damn pathetic defense in that Washington/UCLA game. Looked like flag football when Drew was running!
 

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Scott4USC said:
Sun Tzu I completely disagree with your whole post except about SOS not meaning much at this point of the season. However, you cannot even compare USC SOS vs OU SOS. USC has played a MUCH MUCH tougher schedule thus far than OU. You have absolutely NO ARGUMENT supporting OU playing tougher schedule than USC. Just my opinion.

Scott, are you kidding me??? How many times have we been over this???? Go ahead and rank the SOS on the first 3 games, let's see what it is at the end of the year after USC goes through that weak Pac 10 schedule and OKlahoma goes through the Big 12 conference, Big 12 Championship game.

USC has already played it's toughest game of the year. You crack me up.
 
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