Scott, now I am going to defend OU on the scheduling of the home and home game for the upcoming years. We too were trying to fill our schedule and had the tentative schedule in place, when USC contacted OU and proposed the games. It wasn't a stall, it was a situation that had to be handled appropriately. I promise, Bob Stoops is not scared. I think Stoops is great at getting to pick who he wants to play. Very smart man who knows what he needs to do to excel at this level. While the OOC schedule is important, did you ever think there is no need to play a game with possibly the #1 vs. #2 teams in the nation? Isn't that why they created the BCS Championship game? Either way, good luck to USC next year.
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Now I am not going to defend that OOC schedule, because I agree that it isn't Stoops strongest since he has been here by far, but you nor me or anyone knows what is going thru Stoop's mind except for Bob himself. My thinking is that he was going to have a young QB and young RB with some holes to fill, and didn't want to play upper escholon(sp?) teams right off the bat. Just my guess. Sorry, didn't mean to get off topic of this thread.
OU's OOC schedule
9-11-04 AIR FORCE
9-18-04 FLORIDA A&M
9-25-04 BOWLING GREEN
USC's OOC schedule
@V-Tech
@BYU
Colorado St.
ND (rival)
Sure Stoops is not scared to play USC. :lol:
Lets see, USC and OU both needed to add 2 OOC opponents. USC wanted to play OU this year, OU obviously did not want to play USC. OU wanted to schedule other powerhouses.
USC added V-Tech and Colorado St. to their OOC schedule.
OU added Florida A&M and Bowling Green to their schedule
Remember, BG loses their star QB and I dunno who else. Not the same team. Also, ALL 3 OOC GAMES ARE AT HOME. I guess they took page out of 8-home game U (Ohio St.).
Give me a break, Stoops is scared. There is a reason OU got blown out by the 2 toughest opponents they faced. I hve little respect for OU. USC wanted to play and beat OU. I AS A FAN WOULD HAVE LOVED IT!!! Difference between you and me is this. I want my team to earn and beat the best and win a NC, you obciously just want to get to the NC any way possible. USC scheduled Nebraska when Nebraska was on top of college football. USC wants the best.
I am glad Carroll does not think like Stoops. At USC we know we are the best and will play anybody anywhere. We take pride in that. If we lose, congrats to the other team. We only have one strategy in scheduling, schedule the best. Stoops is a coward. You should be ashamed to have that OOC schedule. Glad Stoops is not at USC! Different type of philosophies. Maybe that is why so many 5star recruits want to come play at USC! I do not know why so many programs want to take the easy route to a NC. Especially premier programs.
USC had brand new QB and 3 brand new RB's, and USC went and played @AU for their 1st game of the year. AU pre-season top 5 team in country and very very hostile environment. Different philosophies at OU and USC.
FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!
9-11-04 AIR FORCE
9-18-04 FLORIDA A&M
9-25-04 BOWLING GREEN
USC's OOC schedule
@V-Tech
@BYU
Colorado St.
ND (rival)
Sure Stoops is not scared to play USC. :lol:
Lets see, USC and OU both needed to add 2 OOC opponents. USC wanted to play OU this year, OU obviously did not want to play USC. OU wanted to schedule other powerhouses.
USC added V-Tech and Colorado St. to their OOC schedule.
OU added Florida A&M and Bowling Green to their schedule
Remember, BG loses their star QB and I dunno who else. Not the same team. Also, ALL 3 OOC GAMES ARE AT HOME. I guess they took page out of 8-home game U (Ohio St.).
Give me a break, Stoops is scared. There is a reason OU got blown out by the 2 toughest opponents they faced. I hve little respect for OU. USC wanted to play and beat OU. I AS A FAN WOULD HAVE LOVED IT!!! Difference between you and me is this. I want my team to earn and beat the best and win a NC, you obciously just want to get to the NC any way possible. USC scheduled Nebraska when Nebraska was on top of college football. USC wants the best.
I am glad Carroll does not think like Stoops. At USC we know we are the best and will play anybody anywhere. We take pride in that. If we lose, congrats to the other team. We only have one strategy in scheduling, schedule the best. Stoops is a coward. You should be ashamed to have that OOC schedule. Glad Stoops is not at USC! Different type of philosophies. Maybe that is why so many 5star recruits want to come play at USC! I do not know why so many programs want to take the easy route to a NC. Especially premier programs.
USC had brand new QB and 3 brand new RB's, and USC went and played @AU for their 1st game of the year. AU pre-season top 5 team in country and very very hostile environment. Different philosophies at OU and USC.
FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!
Scott....not trying to get into an all out debate here, but I think our ideas are different. You feel like Stoops is scared if he doesn't play the best in a particular year. I think Stoops is using a weak OOC schedule to break in his new guys.
BTW, you ask and ask for respect from this forum, and I feel like I have always given you that. Please don't refer to our coach as a "coward." You have never spoken to the man and you have no idea about his life or decisions. JP
BTW, you ask and ask for respect from this forum, and I feel like I have always given you that. Please don't refer to our coach as a "coward." You have never spoken to the man and you have no idea about his life or decisions. JP
jpblack34
Stop making excuses for this guy. He wants an easy route to a NC. He is not alone, many programs take this route. This is the OU OOC schedule the last 3 years.
2001
North Carolina
@AirForce
Noth Texas
2002
@Tulsa
Alabama (in down years with probation)
UTEP
South Florida
2003
North Texas
@Alabama (in down years with probation)
Fresno St.
UCLA
2004
AIR FORCE
FLORIDA A&M
BOWLING GREEN
11 home games and only 3 road games?? ARE YOU SERIOUS?????? YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING!
Is Stoops breaking in a new QB every year? What are the excuses for Stoops in 3 previous years? OU in my opinion is a top 5 program. I like OU and respect the university. However, this OOC scheduling is pathetic for any team, but especially for a program who I consider top 5. There is only one reason for this scheduling and it is to take the easy route to a NC. OU wanted to buy out UCLA last and not play them this year. WHY? They publicly said it was too hard of an OOC schedule for them. Give me a break. Are you proud to win a NC if you have easy OOC schedules like this? Seriously. Wouldn't you as a fan, rather play TOUGH TEAMS and try and beat the best? Why not have this attitude. Don't you feel Stoops is the best coach in the nation? Can he hack it?
At USC we know we are the best and we know we have the best coach and we try and prove it by not trying to get to a NC but to play the best during the season. Wouldn't you like to have that philosophy?
Why did OU get blown out against their 2 toughest opponents? I just hate it when teams get sooo hyped up when they have not really faced anybody. OU clearly was an example of that this year. Last years OOC schedule of OU was pretty decent schedule wise but the teams were not nearly as good as they should be. Not OU's fault. But they did try and make it an easy OOC schedule by dropping UCLA. WHY????
I do agree with you I should not have called Stoops a coward. I was showing disrespect to your coach and school which you like. I apologize for that comment. I think Stoops is a top 5 head coach but I def. do not think he is top 2 in the country. Just my opinion.
Stop making excuses for this guy. He wants an easy route to a NC. He is not alone, many programs take this route. This is the OU OOC schedule the last 3 years.
2001
North Carolina
@AirForce
Noth Texas
2002
@Tulsa
Alabama (in down years with probation)
UTEP
South Florida
2003
North Texas
@Alabama (in down years with probation)
Fresno St.
UCLA
2004
AIR FORCE
FLORIDA A&M
BOWLING GREEN
11 home games and only 3 road games?? ARE YOU SERIOUS?????? YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING!
Is Stoops breaking in a new QB every year? What are the excuses for Stoops in 3 previous years? OU in my opinion is a top 5 program. I like OU and respect the university. However, this OOC scheduling is pathetic for any team, but especially for a program who I consider top 5. There is only one reason for this scheduling and it is to take the easy route to a NC. OU wanted to buy out UCLA last and not play them this year. WHY? They publicly said it was too hard of an OOC schedule for them. Give me a break. Are you proud to win a NC if you have easy OOC schedules like this? Seriously. Wouldn't you as a fan, rather play TOUGH TEAMS and try and beat the best? Why not have this attitude. Don't you feel Stoops is the best coach in the nation? Can he hack it?
At USC we know we are the best and we know we have the best coach and we try and prove it by not trying to get to a NC but to play the best during the season. Wouldn't you like to have that philosophy?
Why did OU get blown out against their 2 toughest opponents? I just hate it when teams get sooo hyped up when they have not really faced anybody. OU clearly was an example of that this year. Last years OOC schedule of OU was pretty decent schedule wise but the teams were not nearly as good as they should be. Not OU's fault. But they did try and make it an easy OOC schedule by dropping UCLA. WHY????
I do agree with you I should not have called Stoops a coward. I was showing disrespect to your coach and school which you like. I apologize for that comment. I think Stoops is a top 5 head coach but I def. do not think he is top 2 in the country. Just my opinion.
Scott you are bragginf about playing a mountain west team that loses just about everyone uncluding their QB (isnt that the conference AF is in?) and a Va Tech team that is in pretty much the same boat?
And you try a little fact checking - AF backed out of playing oU. Thats why they need another opponent.
And you try a little fact checking - AF backed out of playing oU. Thats why they need another opponent.
Scott, please don't get me wrong as I personally would like to see a big match up game besides the Texas game in Dallas every year. Maybe Stoops does take the easy way out, who knows, won't defend him on that, but the guy has coached in the BCS championship game 2 out of 5 years. Can't take that away from him. You say you are the best and will prove it by playing anyone. I say you prove that at the end by winning the big game. Situation here for you. If USC is #1 and beats #3-#14 in a season and finishes #1. OU is #2 and beats #109-#113 in a season. USC plays OU for NC, and OU wins, Who had the better year? I know it is very important for USC to play good teams because they play in the PAC 10 and is often looked as as being a weaker conference...(no, i don't think that), so USC has to have that tough OOC. OU plays in supposedly one of the toughest(i don't think it is right now, or at least last year), they don't have to have that outstanding OOC. Let me get off my soapbox and say my point is Stoops knows this and does what he has to do to get to the last game.
Sun Tzu
I did do my checking and I do not think it was AF who backed out on OU because OU is playing AF this coming season. OU also needed 2 OOC opponents, not just one. You try and put me down but instead make yourself look foolish.
I said Colorado St. is a good program, and yes they lose there best player in Van Pelt. But please do not compare CSU to any Div. 2 school and any other weak div. 1 program. Lubick is a great coach and will field a solid CSU team as he does every year. I never said AF sucked as an opponent. I rank AF the same as CSU. Remember, USC needed 2 OOC opponents this year (very late) and signed V-Tech and CSU. OU was in same situation as USC and signed FLORIDA A&M and BOWLING GREEN.
There is no comparison
jpblack34
Your very respectful poster and intelligent as well. I enjoy reading your posts.
That is why I said he is def. top 5 head coach in the nation.
TOUGH QUESTION. I say both teams had great years but USC was more respectful. If OU destroyed USC, then OU had better year, but if OU barely beat USC in good game or USC gave game away, then I say USC had the better year. NC is what every team wants/plays for, but I also think you have to factor how both teams reached the NC game. Just my opinion. I do know USC will never have an OOC schedule like OU has next year. No, USC does not play a TOUGH OOC SCHEDULE because they play in the pac 10. USC been scheduling touch OOC opponents for 50+ years. So that is not the reason.
Your right, and he does this because your program and fans accept it. My question is why? I can tell you this. If USC makes the title game in any given year, I am 100% sure USC is battle tested. That is a huge advantage for USC every year, but the downside is it is a lot tougher for USC to make the NC game playing such a tough OOC schedule.
I did do my checking and I do not think it was AF who backed out on OU because OU is playing AF this coming season. OU also needed 2 OOC opponents, not just one. You try and put me down but instead make yourself look foolish.
I said Colorado St. is a good program, and yes they lose there best player in Van Pelt. But please do not compare CSU to any Div. 2 school and any other weak div. 1 program. Lubick is a great coach and will field a solid CSU team as he does every year. I never said AF sucked as an opponent. I rank AF the same as CSU. Remember, USC needed 2 OOC opponents this year (very late) and signed V-Tech and CSU. OU was in same situation as USC and signed FLORIDA A&M and BOWLING GREEN.
There is no comparison
jpblack34
Your very respectful poster and intelligent as well. I enjoy reading your posts.
That is why I said he is def. top 5 head coach in the nation.
TOUGH QUESTION. I say both teams had great years but USC was more respectful. If OU destroyed USC, then OU had better year, but if OU barely beat USC in good game or USC gave game away, then I say USC had the better year. NC is what every team wants/plays for, but I also think you have to factor how both teams reached the NC game. Just my opinion. I do know USC will never have an OOC schedule like OU has next year. No, USC does not play a TOUGH OOC SCHEDULE because they play in the pac 10. USC been scheduling touch OOC opponents for 50+ years. So that is not the reason.
Your right, and he does this because your program and fans accept it. My question is why? I can tell you this. If USC makes the title game in any given year, I am 100% sure USC is battle tested. That is a huge advantage for USC every year, but the downside is it is a lot tougher for USC to make the NC game playing such a tough OOC schedule.
Scott you are indeed a ****ing idiot. AF did back out and OU is looking for a new game which USC declined. It will probably be Virginia per most recent rumors. Whatever link you went to for a schedule is wrong. Quit actring like a ****ing know it all and you might learn something
http://www.nationalchamps.net/NCAA/college_football_2004_schedules/oklahoma.htm
http://www.nationalchamps.net/NCAA/college_football_2004_schedules/virginia.htm
http://www.nationalchamps.net/NCAA/college_football_2004_schedules/airforce.htm
http://www.nationalchamps.net/NCAA/college_football_2004_schedules/oklahoma.htm
http://www.nationalchamps.net/NCAA/college_football_2004_schedules/virginia.htm
http://www.nationalchamps.net/NCAA/college_football_2004_schedules/airforce.htm
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Sun Tzu
You are 100% right and thanks for correcting me. I obviously was looking at an outdated schedule. I saw 2 sites with OU schedule, and one had TBA next to 9-18-04 and 9-25-04 and the other site had this:
OKLAHOMA
2004 FOOTBALL SCHEDULE
SCHEDULE SUBJECT TO CHANGE
9-11-04 AIR FORCE
9-18-04 FLORIDA A&M
9-25-04 BOWLING GREEN
So I put 2 + 2 together. Thanks again for correcting me. Here is the site that was outdated.
http://www.nationalchamps.net/2004/earlybird/teams/oklahoma.htm
However you called me out and were a little harsh but nothing bad. I said I "think" you were wrong, and therefore made yourself look foolish. I never said you were wrong or said anything negative towards you. Well you did not make yourself look foolish and I was the guy who was wrong and mislead. I did go and do my "checking" and compared 2 sites but I picked wrong sites.
Then you come back and correct me (which I thank you for) but then you go and say......
Is that necessary? :shrug:
You could have simply said Scott I think you might be wrong, let me show you why and show me the links. That is the reason I said I think you might be wrong and make yourself look foolish. I "thought" i was right but was not 100% because schedules can change. I just thought your words were not necessary but no hard feelings. Thanks again for correcting me, we always want the right info and thanks for the links. I never have a problem being corrected.
FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!
You are 100% right and thanks for correcting me. I obviously was looking at an outdated schedule. I saw 2 sites with OU schedule, and one had TBA next to 9-18-04 and 9-25-04 and the other site had this:
OKLAHOMA
2004 FOOTBALL SCHEDULE
SCHEDULE SUBJECT TO CHANGE
9-11-04 AIR FORCE
9-18-04 FLORIDA A&M
9-25-04 BOWLING GREEN
So I put 2 + 2 together. Thanks again for correcting me. Here is the site that was outdated.
http://www.nationalchamps.net/2004/earlybird/teams/oklahoma.htm
However you called me out and were a little harsh but nothing bad. I said I "think" you were wrong, and therefore made yourself look foolish. I never said you were wrong or said anything negative towards you. Well you did not make yourself look foolish and I was the guy who was wrong and mislead. I did go and do my "checking" and compared 2 sites but I picked wrong sites.
Then you come back and correct me (which I thank you for) but then you go and say......
Is that necessary? :shrug:
You could have simply said Scott I think you might be wrong, let me show you why and show me the links. That is the reason I said I think you might be wrong and make yourself look foolish. I "thought" i was right but was not 100% because schedules can change. I just thought your words were not necessary but no hard feelings. Thanks again for correcting me, we always want the right info and thanks for the links. I never have a problem being corrected.
FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!
I can't speak for the OU fans, but I think the method stoops currently uses to make it to NC games is UNACCEPTABLE!
Unfawkingbelievable!
