USC vs ASU (simply anaylsis)

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To those thinking of betting USC or ASU need to only handicap one thing. TURNOVERS! Turnovers will decide whether USC covers the spread or not.
USC cannot blow out teams without turnovers.

USC schemes (offensively/defensively) require + turnover ratio for them to dominate. USC the last 4 years has been #1 team in the country forcing turnovers so it isn't luck. It is by design.

Of course turnovers help every team.

Not all teams rely on the turnover as their primary goal. They play more agressive on defense , play tight corners, and don't give the quarterback all day in the backfield. Bend but don't break is not the universal scheme of football defenses.

They have other priorities on both sides of the ball. Any team that uses the shotgun accepts a certain number of turnovers a year on offense. Not PC. This is simply not acceptable.

USC philosophy to winning is to not turn it over on offense and take it away on defense. USC doesn't care how many yards an opposing team racks up on them. USC cares about turnovers. More plays an opposing offense runs, the higher probability they make mistake and turn the ball over.

If you turn the ball over against USC, you get blown out. Its simple but true.

Arkansas is classic example and they lost 50-14 @ARK. They turned the ball over, they got blown out @ARK. USC zero turnovers.

Nebraska only had 1 turnover (bad turnover) and they lost by 18pts despite trying to desperately shorten the game. USC zero turnovers. Game would have been worse if Neb. wasn't trying to run clock out.

(above 2 teams are tied for 1st in their BCS conferences and were completely dominated)

USC played @Arizona and were up 13-3 late 4th with ZERO turnovers from AZ at that point. USC -1turnovers not counting fumbled AZ punt late 4th. USC won 20-3. (should have been 13-3)

USC played @Washington St. and won by 6 with ZERO turnovers from WSU. Their INT was last play of game. (meaningless) USC -2 turnovers.

Washington played @USC, ZERO turnovers, and USC won by 6pts. USC -1 turnovers.


Both QB's from Washington schools are seniors so that might explain their success for playing flawless football. BUT USC should have forced more turnovers on D against UW but USC O was lucky not to turn ball over too. Washes out.

Whether you are betting on USC or ASU, like it or not, you are betting on the turnover ratio. USC O has been banged up all year and and is very young. Therefore it has no continuity. USC D is young and missing a ton of assignments during games. But playing solid for the most part except for forcing turnovers. Everyone knows ASU has an explosive offense with talented QB but we have not seen much of it this season. ASU D we know isn't very good.

Arizona St. had 5 turnovers @CAL and 2 turnovers vs Oregon. Now ASU is playing a team designed to win the turnover battle.

I am thinking of betting USC because I feel USC will win the turnover battle. If USC wins the turnover battle, it will be an EASY cover.
 
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Your turnover concept does not hold water.

80% of turnovers are luck with offense out of position or fumbles by a number of reasons.

If thats the best you can come up with maybe you should just hold your water.
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Here is a better reason to play USC.

09/23 at #21 California L 49-21

09/30 #14 Oregon L 48-13

Arizona St stinks
 
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Your turnover concept does not hold water.

80% of turnovers are luck with offense out of position or fumbles by a number of reasons.

If thats the best you can come up with maybe you should just hold your water.

Then I guess USC has been LUCKY the last 4 years. #1 team in the country in winning the turnover battle. I guess USC being the only "consistent" team in the country at forcing turnovers is just plain LUCK!

Someone should tell PC he should stop having TURNOVER WED. practices.
 

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Last year Arizona came into the Colisuem around this same time last year, with 1-4 record (finished year 3-8) and I think were 30+ underdogs and hung with USC. Lost by 21pts but hung with USC all the way through 4th quarter. Down only 7 at half and down 7 going into 4th.

Week before playing USC lost to CAL 28-0. A CAL team who was not very good. Week before CAL, lost to Purdue by 7pts.

Arizona had 1 costly turnover, happened in 4th quarter, on scoring drive. USC won 4th quarter 14-0. All in all, USC was even in the turnover ratio. This years USC team is not nearly as explosive.

If ASU doesn't turn the ball over, ASU +pts should be money in the bank.
 

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Then I guess USC has been LUCKY the last 4 years. #1 team in the country in winning the turnover battle. I guess USC being the only "consistent" team in the country at forcing turnovers is just plain LUCK!

Someone should tell PC he should stop having TURNOVER WED. practices.

I dont care what people say about you scooter, this shit is priceless. :mj07: :mj07: I love how you call Carrol PC, makes me chuckel everytime. When did PC come up with this TURNOVER WED. practice, cause all these turnovers couldnt just be the fact that SC is loaded with players who are stronger and faster these last 4 years. I mean was PC not running these Turnover Practices when he was in the NFL, getting his ass kicked, and he for sure wasnt running them when he first got to USC, because in PCs early USC years they still sucked.

Your take on the NU game is correct, the one NU turnover was awful cost them 7 points, and if NU had picked off one of the two terrible passes by Booty, it would have been 17-14 NU and a whole different game. I need to get BC on the phone and let him know about these turnover practices, sound like a great idea. :shrug: :shrug:
 

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I dont care what people say about you scooter, this shit is priceless. :mj07: :mj07: I love how you call Carrol PC, makes me chuckel everytime. When did PC come up with this TURNOVER WED. practice, cause all these turnovers couldnt just be the fact that SC is loaded with players who are stronger and faster these last 4 years. I mean was PC not running these Turnover Practices when he was in the NFL, getting his ass kicked, and he for sure wasnt running them when he first got to USC, because in PCs early USC years they still sucked.

Your take on the NU game is correct, the one NU turnover was awful cost them 7 points, and if NU had picked off one of the two terrible passes by Booty, it would have been 17-14 NU and a whole different game. I need to get BC on the phone and let him know about these turnover practices, sound like a great idea. :shrug: :shrug:

Since Pete Carroll came to USC, every WED has been called TURNOVER WED. Every TUE. is called COMPETITION TUES where everyone has chance to compete for playing time/starting job. You have to earn your position on Tues.

On TURNOVER WED. special attention is focused on defense forcing turnovers (stripping etc) and offense from turning it over. It is a mindset. A philosophy. In the last 4 years, USC offense rarely turned the ball over. That is having 3 differnt QB's. On defense, USC has taken the ball away from opposing offenses in large margin. It is not by luck. It is by design. USC is the #1 team in the country the last 4 years in taking the ball away.

It also keeps things fresh and team focused.

Phile Steele has stats every year that show teams who generally are - turnovers one year will be + turnover the following year. Vice Versa. Team + turnovers one year will see less positive ratio following year.

USC is the exception. USC is always on top in this important category. It is the USC philosophy on defense and offense.

As for defensive scheme. USC allows teams to dink and dunk them. Why? More plays opposing offense runs, the higher probability they make mistake. USC rarely gives up big plays on defense. Opposing offenses have to be perfect and have to be patient to score a TD on USC D. If USC offense jumps on you, it is hard to remain patient and perfect. = turnovers = blowouts. These are 18-23year old kids.

Tedford is the only coach year in year out who understands this and is willing to be patient against USC D. With Rogers at QB, I think CAL threw the ball 1 time over 10 yards the entire game against USC @USC 2 years ago.

Maybe PC is onto something. He is 50-2 in his last 52 games. :shrug:

My point is, USC will not blow out ASU unless they force turnovers. If you bet this game, you are betting on turnovers. Clear to me. You can disagree. I find it interesting and others may too.

Come bowl season, if USC's future opponent has history of turning the ball over, USC will easily cover the spread. Especially if they have not seen a team that resembles USC. That is why USC has so much success outside of conf. play. Teams do now know how to play USC. Simple.
 
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those practices are well documented...

he has another practice tag name for thursdays too i believe its "comepetition thursday" where every player has to fight for his position to start on saturday!
in terms of of calling him PC, thats common amoung blogging readers, like ucla coach is KD.
 

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I mean was PC not running these Turnover Practices when he was in the NFL, getting his ass kicked, and he for sure wasnt running them when he first got to USC, because in PCs early USC years they still sucked.

I overlooked this silly section of your post.

For starters, PC didn't get his a$$ kicked in the NFL as HC or DC. As DC, he had #1 defenses and was regarded by many as one of the top DC's in the NFL. That is why he got a HC gig so young.

Pete Carroll year 1

Went 6-6, started year 1-5, won 5/6 remaining games on schedule, lost Kansas St. 4pts, lost @Oregon by 2pts, lost Stanford 5pts, lost @UW by 3pts, lost @ND 11pts, lost Utah by 4pts. Average loss by less than 5pts. USC SURE SUCKED! More like bad luck and tough close games that came up short. Bad FG kicker too!

Pete Carroll year 2

Following a year when USC went 6-6, USC went 11-2 despite playing the #1 rated Strength of Schedule, 2 losses early year @Kansas St. by 7pts and @Washington St. by 3pts in Overtime. Carson Palmer won Heisman and USC won their BCS BOWL game by 21pts. Many of the media felt USC was the best team in the country that year.

Pete Carroll year 3

AP NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, enough said.

Nice 3 year run for PC to start things off at USC. According to you, USC STILL SUCKED IN PC EARLY YEARS @USC. I wonder how many teams would want a 3 year $hitty run that USC had with PC. :142smilie I love the posters at Madjacks!
 
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Scott,

Is Jarrett 100% and will he start and play the whole game? What happens to Turner now after his breakout game? Does he go back to a situational player?
 

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my fellow husker hedman simply is making the point that pc is winning these games 2 and 3 yrs before they are played. as long as they are able to recruit at this level, they can do anything they want on wednesday, thurs, fri, and of course saturday.
 

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arkansas has a different starting qb and rb since the usc game. too bad they will not play again.
 

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found this written by sc beat writer for local paper:
Dwayne Jarrett, Steve Smith and Chilo Rachal are all ready to play. Jarrett especially says he feels much better than he did last week.
Jarrett also admitted for the first time he actually separated his shoulder against Arizona.
 

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Scott4USC, I enjoy your opinions only to the point that they are blatanly one-sided.

I wish you would stop talking about your beloved USC and handicap the rest of the games.

I always valued your analysis of gaames. Let go of your "homer" and do what you do well.
 

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Having elite athelete's doesn't lead to WINS.
I give all the credit to HC. PC for his fantastic job he's doing with the program.

I never thought they'd be 5-0 right now.
If they win out they're playing for another NC.
Now who would of think thats possible
after losing Lienart, Bush, White ETC.

SC is the play EZ$
 
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