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Sunday, August 19, 2007

How many wins is a big-time coach good for in any given season? According to Las Vegas oddsmakers, the answer is "at least two or three."

One of the most surprising preseason lines posted on vegasinsider.com recently is the win total for Alabama. The over-under for regular-season wins for the Crimson Tide this season is 8.5.

That means the experts believe that Alabama's chance to win nine or more games is equal to the chance that the Tide will win eight or less. Or, more specifically, the oddsmakers are predicting that's what the betting public believes.

Except that's not what most hard-core fans in this state, the ones who should know best, believe.

While Alabama fans are supremely confident that Nick Saban will eventually lead the Tide to the top of the SEC and into annual contention for national championships, only the most optimistic fans on the fringe are predicting the turnaround will be that dramatic and that quick.

They recognize that Saban is a great coach, but they know he can't walk on water (contrary to what the cover of the team's media guide might suggest).

Auburn fans, many of whom follow the Bama program as closely as the Tide fans, don't even concede that Saban will ever have the Tide among the national elite, correctly pointing out that Tommy Tuberville has a 3-2 record against Saban head-to-head.

So why is the Alabama win total posted so high -- and identical to that of more established SEC programs such as Auburn, Tennessee and Arkansas?

First, it's a correct indictment of Mike Shula. It's easy to look at Alabama's results in recent years and point to many games that coaching could have made a difference.

But more than that, it's a sign that the perception of Alabama football has changed since Saban arrived. While Alabama under Shula had become and average team that was mostly irrelevant outside the state, the Tide is now extremely relevant nationally, even if the current roster is still just as average.

Perception is reality in college football, just like everywhere else. The perception is that Alabama is back as a major player in college football. When the actual play on the field will actual justify those national expectations is anybody's guess.

The incredible recruiting momentum Saban and his staff have been able to produce in such a short time is an indication that the Tide's fortunes may change pretty quickly.

But the defensive talent on this Alabama team does not suggest a nine-win regular season is realistic. If you need an example, look at noseguard.

The Alabama starter, Brian Motley, was an offensive lineman fresh out of tiny Autaugaville High School a year ago. After one spring on defense, he is the clear starter, even after he broke his hand last week.

That is the reality of the talent depth Nick Saban inherited. But, as the Vegas odds indicate, reality is not always the same as the perception.

Contact Randy Kennedy at:

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I dare to disagree...and I am an Orange Blooded Tennessee fan!!! :scared


...and I am not alone. Phil Steele has Alabama as a darkhorse in the National Championship race. He has them listed 4th on his list of "Most Improved Teams" for 2007 and 8th in his list of "Surprise Teams" for 2007. :scared :com:


Phil says that "Saban steps into a GREAT situation" and they only have 2 tough road games at Auburn and Florida St. They catch Arkansas, Georgia, Tennessee and LSU at home. They have 9 starters returning on offense and 5 on what Phil calls a "tough defense."

Steele, "Bama gets their crutial game Nov 3rd at home vs LSU and should they win that, I can actually see them going 8-0 in SEC play making them, once again, a surprise darkhorse National Title contender as they were just two short years ago." :scared :com:


I would only say that NO bet is a gimmie. Vegas didn't build those monster hotel-casinos out of winners.... That's just my 2 cents. :SIB
 

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Nick stepped into a similar situation w/ LSU several years ago. This is his yearly record. Solid, but not great.

2000 Nick Saban 8-4
2001 Nick Saban 10-3
2002 Nick Saban 8-5
2003 Nick Saban 13-1
2004 Nick Saban 9-3

More importantly, he led LSU to 2 SEC Championships, 2 BCS Bowls victories and 1 BCS Title. The man is a good coach, regardless of how much he comes off as an ass.

The point is that Saban has a favorable schedule this year as pointed out by Steele, and posted above by Taoist. Would I wager Bama over 8.5, heck no. But, it can easily happen.
 

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Phil Steele is just pandering to the Bammers. "Sabear" has his work cut out for him and I can not wait to see this debacle unfold. Get on any bammer blog and you will see, they have already won the NC and will keep winning it for all eternity. :mj07:
 

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Nick stepped into a similar situation w/ LSU several years ago. This is his yearly record. Solid, but not great.

2000 Nick Saban 8-4
2001 Nick Saban 10-3
2002 Nick Saban 8-5
2003 Nick Saban 13-1
2004 Nick Saban 9-3

More importantly, he led LSU to 2 SEC Championships, 2 BCS Bowls victories and 1 BCS Title. The man is a good coach, regardless of how much he comes off as an ass.

The point is that Saban has a favorable schedule this year as pointed out by Steele, and posted above by Taoist. Would I wager Bama over 8.5, heck no. But, it can easily happen.


Great points by both you CG and Taoist. Staying away from this prop.

CFB
 

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Thanks,
I am not here to prove anything to you or anyone else! Just giving alittle advice on a winner if you or anyones interested. Thats all.
 

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Thanks,
I am not here to prove anything to you or anyone else! Just giving alittle advice on a winner if you or anyones interested. Thats all.

I understand. My point was that your posts state it, "...would be the easiest under you bet, just watch and learn." Why is that? How do you come to that conclusion? I'm not tying to be an a$$hole, just wondering what your reasoning is behind this comment. CG and Taoist are spot on with their comments, in my opinion.

Obviously I'm an Alabama fan, but I don't drink the Kool-aid most of the rabids in T-town drink. In my opinion 'Bama should win 8 games this year. If they get lucky, they may sneak up to 9. A stat to remember is that Red Drew and Ray Perkins are the only coaches in the past 60 years to win 8 games in their first season as head coach at Alabama. (Drew 8-3, Whitworth 0-10, Bryant 5-4-1, Perkins 8-4, Curry 7-5, Stallings 7-5, Dubose 4-7, Franchione 7-5, Shula 4-9)

I was looking through the media guide the other day and there were several 2006 stats that surprised me. 'Bama scored 298 points to only 250 for their opposition but only finished 6-7. They also had 51 more first downs than their opponents. Three losses were by a total of 7 points (at Arkansas, at UcheaT and bowl game vs Okie St.).

The most telling stat was the redzone. 'Bama made 53 trips into the redzone and scored only 20 TDs and 20 FGs. Conversely their opponents only made it into the redzone 37 times, but made it count with 21 TDs and 9 FGs.

'Bama allowed 138 points to be scored in the 1st, 3rd and 4th quarters, but had 102 scored upon them in the 2nd quarter.

Sept. 1 Western Carolina WIN
Sept. 8 at Vanderbilt WIN
Sept. 15 Arkansas WIN

Sept. 22 Georgia LOSS
Sept. 29 Florida St LOSS(in Jacksonville)
Oct. 6 Houston WIN
Oct. 13 at Ole Miss WIN
Oct. 20 Tennessee WIN

Nov. 3 LSU LOSS
Nov. 10 at Mississippi St WIN
Nov. 17 UL Monroe WIN

Nov. 24 at Auburn LOSS

Vanderbilt scares me. Bobby Johnson has the 'Dores on the rise and they always play 'Bama tough. Vandy lost a hard fought game by 3 in T-town last season.

Arkansas is another toss up, but 'Bama played them to a 2OT loss in F'ville last year. McFadden is going to be tough to stop, that for should.

I don't know much about UGA, but I do like their coach. They've got a young QB in Stafford and this will be his first road test of the season. 'Bama might get the win since it's played at home.

Florida State could be a toss up as well. Like 'Bama, the 'Noles have a new OC and DC. 'Bama's new DC is Kevin Steele who Saban hired away from FSU.

If the Tide is not careful, they could be caught looking ahead to UcheaT when they travel to Oxford for the Rebels. 'Bama has won the last two meetings by a total of 6 points, including last year in OT.

UcheaT comes to town the next week and this game is always a dogfight. 'Bama has played the Viles tough the last few years but only managed to win once against their hated rivals. For the first time in a long time, UcheaT doesn't have an off week before playing 'Bama (although they are playing Mississippi State, but ask 'Bama about that). Last year, the Tide lost a heart breaker in Obknoxville by 3, despite intercepting three UcheaT passes.

Fortunately the bye week comes leading up to what should be nothing short of a circus atmosphere when LSU comes to town on Nov. 3. I hope I'm wrong, but LSU just looks to be heads and shoulders above everyone else in the conference this year. Emotion can only take you so far and LSU by far has more talent.

Revenge will be on the mind of the Tide when they travel to Starkville to take on the Bulldogs. It's hard to believe that Alabama has not scored an offensive touchdown against Miss. St. since 2004 (although Mike Shula was calling the plays). Unless Sly Croom has his Dogs ready, I don't see a repeat of last year.

What can you say about the Awbies? They've kicked 'Bama square in the nuts 5 years in a row. As much as it pains me, I don't see that changing this year. 4 turnovers last year doomed the Tide. The performance of QB Cox will go a long way towards how the Tigers fare. Having an off week before the 'Bama game will only help not to mention they are playing this game on the Plains.

The bottom line for 'Bama will be to protect QB Wilson better and get to the opposing QB more than once a game. For the first time in recent memory, 'Bama will be focusing more on an aerial attack than a ground game, so giving Wilson time in the pocket is key to the offense's success. 'Bama is returning 14 starters (9 on offense, 5 on defense) from last year and gets most of their tough games at Bryant-Denny this year (Arkansas, UGA, UcheaT and LSU). From everything I'm reading, this will be a tougher and better conditioned 'Bama team this season.

Special teams are often over looked and with the rules change this year on kickoffs, a solid kicker and return game will be more important than ever. The Tide has a darkhorse in Miss. St. transfer Jonathon Lowe who will be running back both punts and kickoffs.

Just my two cents worth. Good luck to everyone this upcoming season.
 
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You answered your own question! You say 8-4 Thats a winner(under 8 and a Half). Not that I agree with some of your wins and loses :) No way tide wins 9 games with their defense this year!! Tide "talent" level not even close to upper SEC teams!! Its the easiest prop bet for a teams total wins on the board!!! 7-5 my pick but will give you 8-4 at best!! Have a nice year :)
 
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