Vikes at Giants week 5

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Line is Vikes -5

Hate laying that many on the road but I am confident the Vikes come out an get this. Giants defense is trash. Vikes have many more weapons and better defense, I think this line drops a little so I would wait on the number. Does anyone disagree or have a different take?
 

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Line is Vikes -5

Hate laying that many on the road but I am confident the Vikes come out an get this. Giants defense is trash. Vikes have many more weapons and better defense, I think this line drops a little so I would wait on the number. Does anyone disagree or have a different take?


i agree with all said there, except seeing line drop

why do you think would fall?

gmen win vs wash? or poor showing vs chi? or both?
 

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Other factors to consider

Jones has faced some weak ass defense, Vikes will be a major upgrade and not going to fear Gallman, Giants defense will be one of the few times Cousins can ?seem? right. Diggs and Theilen get there?s.. Vikes 31-17
 

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Other factors to consider

Jones has faced some weak ass defense, Vikes will be a major upgrade and not going to fear Gallman, Giants defense will be one of the few times Cousins can ?seem? right. Diggs and Theilen get there?s.. Vikes 31-17

i anticipated jones struggling vs wash, and did throw 2 ints, however wash imploded early taking any chance of -real- pressure, off

i agree and feel like 17 is being generous, fwiw
 

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I would add that the line is probably where it is due to Shurmur being the former coordinator for the Vikings and knowing Cousins and other skill position players tendencies. I don't know if this will matter on the field as the Giants defense isn't very good but they also get Tate back on offense this week so despite no Saquan they are far better with Jones at qb. Line doesn't make a ton of sense to me right now but worth watching to see where it ends up throughout the week.
 

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I would add that the line is probably where it is due to Shurmur being the former coordinator for the Vikings and knowing Cousins and other skill position players tendencies. I don't know if this will matter on the field as the Giants defense isn't very good but they also get Tate back on offense this week so despite no Saquan they are far better with Jones at qb. Line doesn't make a ton of sense to me right now but worth watching to see where it ends up throughout the week.


that, is some solid info BGC - thanks for sharing
 

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Time to back away from the Vikings in this one, this Stefon Diggs stuff is heating up and hey get rid of his over rated ass, ?he?s frustrated?? He has fumbled twice this season, committed a huge penalty in Green Bay and has dropped some balls.


Stay away from this game.
 

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pretty simple

cousins vs teams with +.500 record...he shits the bed

cousins vs teams with - .500 record....he looks like an okay nfl qb

cousins vs teams with .500 record....tbd

nyg = .500 record

pass.....who am i kidding, take the gmen!
 

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I rarely bet road Favorites, I think you?re getting Vikings -5 cheap. They say Barkley out of boot but I really doubt he plays. If he does can?t see him getting that many snaps with so much season left. Buy low, sell high. Giants are at their Vegas peek, you can buy Vikings for pennies on the dollar. They are going send Diggs on go routes to cheer up locker room. Diggs little press room antics were needed, he has to that ?You like that ? guy back. BP I?m buying purple stock.
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i'm one those - water finds it level kind of guys. with idea pendulum will swing back, even things out -or pretty dang close to- in the end. now mind you, theres plenty year left for the catch up to take place, but based solely off results have through 4 weeks, heres what i have/see


in viking games.

the home team has gone 4-0 ats

the fav has gone 4-0 ats

--and that kind of makes sense, that home teams be favored


in giant games


the home/away cover sits at 2-2

the fav has covered at 3-1 clip



--that alone would suggest that an away team (min) has an edge (based off just minn's games), though an even stronger lean would be to the 'dog in this game (based off both min and nyg games)

now if you have'm cancel each other out, it ends up being just a smaller lean on giants based off favs in both games going combined 7-1. so then, the 'water finds it level guy' takes notice and would lean on the 'dog here, being the giants

so then, in a close game, i dig a hair deeper and see how both squads made out in turnovers LW

in nfl pretty hard to take care the ball mult weeks in a row -it happens, but is rare

minnesota - with no worthy mention* change in personnel has gone

0 ints, 2 fumb, 0 lost vs ATL while getting 1 int, 1 fum lost

2 ints, 5! fumbles, 2 lost vs GB while getting 0 ints, 2 fum lost

0 ints, 1 fumb, but 0 lost, 1 int and o lost fumb vs oak

0 inst again, 3 fumbs losing 2 with a 0, 0-0 line for bears LW

Int, FumTO Dif
0, 2-0 (2, 1-1)3
2, 5-2 (0, 2-2)-2 (1)
0, 1-0 (1, 1-0)1 (2)
0, 3-2 (0, 0-0)-2 (E)

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--the one that jumps out at me is not having created a turnover vs chi LW - that is one that has highest chance returning to mean (and thats kind of a given with rook qb and minn def, you'd expect, so really nothing too newsworthy here, right)

then too, cousins, mostly because of game script has only thrown int in 1 game -not passing a ton (ask adam and stefon) which makes for less chance turn over (at least ints, i hear he has had costly fumbles though(?) - i could be mistaken)

the gmen on the other hand - have

Int, FumTO Dif
0, 3-2 (0, 0-0)-2
2, 1-0 (0, 0-0)-2 (-4)
0, 3-2 (1, 0-0)-1 (-5)
2, 4-2 (4, 0-0) E (-5)

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with mention worthy change personnel at qb with jones starting week 3


the stat that jumps out here too, the gmen, just dont create TO's

through 3 (dal, buf, tb) games they only had 1 int (at TB, in a wild one) - no fumbles even created (none in fact this year!)

they gobbled up 4 picks LW vs wash who changed qb mid-game to rookie, who proceeded turning over 3 of 4 pick (1 throw behind, pick 6, 1 jump ball, and 1 tipped ball - read: they don't do things to create pressure that inevitably leads turnovers, not yet anyways)

--that would be an outlier here, but even still, by number alone, one would say they are due to create turnovers, and most likely they do pick cousins off once (or perhaps, more likely scenario, get a fumble off him)

by just the numbers, turnover stats dont say any one thing or another, but suggest - suggest that minn will win the TO battle



prolly the trend that maybe is the better one to play on or against is the total

gmen are an even 2-2 O/U this year, whereas vikes are 1 ov 3 unders

to me that'd be a lean toward the over

historically - when the fav teams covers, the game goes under. i contribute that fav keeps dog under wraps to cover number but not bust total more often than not, which, if you were a fav player here, might take some the shine off of the lean towards over, however does, in ever soo minimal way, add lean to the 'dog


so then, what do we got? - favs being 7-1 combined outweigh minn games along having home team winning ATS all year, giving ever so slight nod to dog here.

the slightest lean in total to under, helps the 'dog's case -again, ever soo slightly-

however the turnover battle suggests that minn most likely win TO battle, and team that usually doesn that, wins game

and then too, incorporates the other rule - bet the team that wins! as they cover at better clips than most, which suggests vikings -- and heyt im not saying favs cant cover and go over - it just historically is like 57/43ish* kinda deal when favs cover, goes under kinda deal. obviously favs/overs happen all the time


* = (the number there is random guesstimate btw, as had researched previously and actual number escapes me)

it prolly is a stay away game as bp suggests

the viewer in me says this is prime spot for vikes, and the line looks wholly all-too-inviting based off way gmen got turnovers vs wash lw, and still only managed score 24 (again, 1 pick six in there) - but hey, the nfl, teams looking like floormats one week, man up and transform into world beaters the next (well, maybe not worldbeaters, but you get the gist) - any given sunday?


this could be a slam dunk game by HT, and i'll be kicking myself, however based off just these results telling me dog is the play, i'll prolly just touch the OVER
 

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NO Way Bleeding QB prob;ems with Vikes even top WR called him out I tried Vikes as a DOG @ Bears and they got smooshed Packers hammered them too even tho vikings out gained packers too many penalties too many turnovers and if any thing i'll take the young gun qb of giants who is making the g men play like THE NY FOOTBALL GIANTS again

BUT SKOAL on Vikings you got quite a few winnable games on schedule
 
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