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Aaron Jones is a good quality back but there is absolutely nobody going to bite on play action, a lot of why Jones has such gaudy ypc average is teams play the pass first and he?s not such a deadly weapon that will get the Vikes to move up.. if I?m the Vikes I?m making Rogers go down field regardless.. Worry about getting burned deep after ya get burned. Bring the heat, the difference for the Packers is their front 7 against the Vikes o line not Jones
 

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Jones is explosive always going forward rarely will he lose yards. He does alot on his own hitting holes 99% other backs cant that's what makes him special. When I hear the offensive linemen talk about him and his abilities that is what I listen to. This is not last years offense whole different philosophy and vikings no way can prepare for it 1st game.
 

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Packers: Positives, negatives from win vs. Bears in season opener
by Evan Siegel

What were the positives and negatives from the Green Bay Packers? victory in the 2019 season opener?
The Packers won in a very non-Packers like way Thursday night to capture their first of the year.

Here are some positives and negatives from the win:

Positive: Preston Smith

Preston Smith was the exact type of free agent signing that GM Brian Gutekunst appears to love.

Trey Flowers, who may not be any better than Smith as an overall player, signed a far more lucrative deal with the Lions. Smith, on the other hand, signed for an expensive but manageable four-year, $52 million deal with only $16 million fully guaranteed.

Smith was absolutely awesome in Green Bay?s opener against the Bears. In an incredibly refreshing turn, Smith provided consistent pressure on Mitch Trubisky in ways Clay Matthews and Nick Perry hadn?t in ages.

But Smith?s best work came against the run. Against a talented stable of running backs, Smith didn?t surrender an inch on his side of the field. With Za?Darius Smith on the other side, the Packers run defense could be in line for a huge year. Smith has always been one of the most underrated players in football, and opening night against the Bears was no exception.

Negative: Aaron Rodgers

It just needs to be said. Aaron Rodgers has not looked as good as he used to be for over a season now. Make no mistake ? Rodgers is still one of the three or four best quarterbacks in all of football, but his slightly diminished athleticism was present against the Bears.

Packers fans remember his jaw-dropping scramble against Thomas Davis of the Panthers in 2015, as well as his simply ridiculous touchdown against the Dolphins early on in the 2014 season.

Against the Bears, his attempts to scramble were just slightly less dynamic. That is only going to get worse with time, and perhaps injuries over the years have begun to limit Rodgers? mobility. Rodgers? unprecedented arm talent won?t disappear, but his ability to simply break apart a defense?s will outside the pocket might not quite be the same anymore.

Positive: Blake Martinez

Blake Martinez has been excruciatingly tantalizing through his first three years in Green Bay. Now in a contract year, it?s time for Martinez to either play like he did Thursday night over a full season and get a contract extension, or become a free agent after the season.

So often in recent history, the Packers defense, including the linebacker position, was marred by missed tackles, completely blown assignments, and a glaring lack of athleticism.

Martinez might not be the most athletic player in the world, but he was so solid for the Packers Thursday night. Any time a Bears running back was fortunate enough to make it past the fierce Green Bay front, Martinez limited the damage.

Gutekunst is still looking for an adequate partner in crime to put next to him. B.J. Goodson shouldn?t have too hard a time adjusting to the Green Bay defense next to someone as fundamentally sound as Martinez.

Negative: Geronimo Allison

Just because Geronimo Allison didn?t have a catch in Week 1 doesn?t necessarily mean anything concerning is going on with the team?s third-year wideout, but it is worth noting that the Packers badly need Allison to mature into a true secondary threat.

Opposing defenses are going to pay all the attention in the world to Davante Adams, opening up the opposite receiver position considerably. Allison needs to bet able to get open against defensive backs to loosen up this offense.

Allison has himself an opportunity to play himself into a little bit of money after this season. The Packers are becoming slightly cap-strapped after last offseason?s free agency splurge. Kenny Clark is also in line for a mega-deal, and Blake Martinez is sniffing around for a contract extension. Allison may be the odd one out in Green Bay, especially if he no-shows like he did in Week 1.

Positive: Darnell Savage Jr.

The first half was really encouraging for the Green Bay secondary. Adrian Amos got most of the noise for his interception at the end of the game, but the Packers? second first-round pick out of Maryland showed traits that the team has not had at the position in years. Savage showed consistent closing speed as well as an instinctive series of plays that got the Packers going in the first half.

For a defense that struggled throughout the prime of Aaron Rodgers? career, a performance like that was overdue. The team showed that even with a poor night from their offense, they can still come through with a big win. Savage is still somewhat raw, but the presence of Amos next to him will dramatically change the back end of the defense for the Packers.

If Za?Darius and Preston Smith continue to be as strong up front as they were against the Bears, they will have themselves a great time making it easier on Amos and Savage to step up and complete what should be a great defense.

Negative: Aaron Jones

There?s nothing to really be worried about when it comes to Aaron Jones, but the Packers badly need his balance offensively. They got none of it against the Bears. Jamaal Williams is passable as a backup running back, but the Packers need Jones to be the workhorse.

Matt LaFleur, Nathaniel Hackett and the entire offensive staff of the Packers need to figure out how to maximize Jones? ability and free up the passing game some.

Opposing defenses are still likely going to be paying the majority of their attention to Davante Adams. Jimmy Graham should still see a fair amount of targets, but it?s up to Jones to provide the second dimension to the offense.

The Packers running back was criminally underused by Mike McCarthy, and while LaFleur didn?t ignore him by any stretch, he couldn?t get him going. Jones has some pressure on him entering Week 2.
 

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Jones is explosive always going forward rarely will he lose yards. He does alot on his own hitting holes 99% other backs cant that's what makes him special. When I hear the offensive linemen talk about him and his abilities that is what I listen to. This is not last years offense whole different philosophy and vikings no way can prepare for it 1st game.

The Bears did? The problem the Packers have is not having much of a receiving threat opposite Adams, Vikes need to play close to line of scrimmage IMO.. we will see what kind of defense the Packers will have against the Vikes, Vikes will be targeting against Truman Williams and trying to catch them blitzing
 

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Packers: Top three storylines vs. Vikings in Week 2
by Freddie Boston

What are the top three storylines for the Green Bay Packers in their divisional game against the Minnesota Vikings in Week 2?The Green Bay Packers earned a victory in a close game against the Chicago Bears last week, and they?ll look to win consecutive games for the first time since the 2017 season against the Minnesota Vikings on Sunday. Ahead of an interesting divisional showdown, what are the top three storylines for Green Bay?

Coincidentally, these two teams met at Lambeau Field in Week 2 last season. The Packers looked to have the game in the bag when Jaire Alexander picked off Kirk Cousins, only for Clay Matthews to be flagged for a controversial roughing the passer penalty. The Vikings fought back to take the game into overtime, and the Packers needed a missed field goal to earn a tie.

This will be the first battle between head coach Matt LaFleur and Mike Zimmer, and also LaFleur?s first game with the Packers at Lambeau Field. It?s all set to be an interesting game, and also an important one that will mean a lot in the NFC North standings later in the year. Considering the importance of home divisional games, the Packers need to win this one.

Let?s take a look at the top three storylines for the Packers in Week 2 against the Vikings.

1. Can Davante Adams continue recent success against Xavier Rhodes?

Davante Adams will likely be covered by All-Pro cornerback Xavier Rhodes often on Sunday. Rhodes has had a lot of success against many of the NFL?s best wide receivers in recent years, but that wasn?t the case against Adams in 2018.

In two games against the Vikings, Adams had 13 receptions for 133 yards and two touchdowns. And according to Pro Football Focus, Adams caught both of those touchdowns, along with 88 yards, from 11 catches, when covered by Rhodes last season. Adams didn?t have many bad games last year no matter the cornerback opposite of him, and that was the case in both contests with the Vikings.

Adams had a quiet game last week against the Bears, catching four passes for 36 yards. The Vikings will be hoping to find similar success as Chuck Pagano?s defense did in the season opener.

This will be an important matchup for the Packers. If the Vikings keep Adams out of the game, the pressure will be on the other pass catchers to step up. But if Adams has a big game, it will create opportunities for the other receivers.

The Vikings limited Julio Jones to just six catches for 31 yards last week, although one of those receptions was for a touchdown.

Can Adams have a big game in Week 2?
 

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2. Will Packers end bad run against Vikings?

When Sunday?s game kicks off, it will have been 995 days since the Packers? last win against the Vikings. If you know any Vikings fans, you probably already knew that.

Green Bay?s last win against Minnesota was almost three years ago on Christmas Eve in 2016, a comfortable 38-25 victory. Jordy Nelson dominated with 154 yards and two touchdowns. It was the Packers? fifth win in a row and part of the ?run the table? stretch that led to an NFC North title.

Since then, the Packers have gone 0-3-1 against the Vikings in four games.

But we do need to look a little closer at those results, which show why it hasn?t been quite as one-sided as it may look. In the first of those defeats, Aaron Rodgers left the game in the first quarter with a broken collarbone ? the score was 0-0. The Packers would lose 23-10 without Rodgers.

The next meeting later in the season ended in a 16-0 defeat. Rodgers didn?t play in this game either, with Hundley starting at QB.

The third game was a tie at Lambeau Field in Week 2 last season. Which, as noted earlier, would?ve ended in a Packers win had Clay Matthews not been called for roughing the passer, which looked to be a bad decision. Jaire Alexander had made what would?ve been a game-winning interception.

The fourth game was a 24-17 loss at U.S. Bank Stadium last season. Fair enough. No complaints about that one.

But the fact is the Packers haven?t won in their past four meetings with the Vikings. Will that change on Sunday?
 

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3. Can Packers defense build on Week 1 performance?

It was the kind of defensive performance that Packers fans have waited years to see. This team has had good games on defense in recent years, such as shutting out the Buffalo Bills last season, but this one felt different. While the Bears? offense made mistakes, many of them were forced by Mike Pettine?s defense.

The Packers sacked Mitch Trubisky five times, had 11 quarterback hits, allowed only three points, only 46 rushing yards, and also made an interception.

But for this defense to prove it?s among the best in football, they now need to play at a high level consistently. They?ll face another tough challenge on Sunday against the Vikings? run-first offense.

Talk about a commitment to the run ? Minnesota had 38 rushing attempts in last Sunday?s win against Atlanta. Compare that to just 10 passing attempts.

The Packers don?t want that to happen again this week. If the Vikings are running the ball that often, chances are that they?re ahead in the game and are also having success on the ground. Green Bay?s defense needs to stop the run and make Minnesota?s offense one-dimensional. Make Cousins throw the football often.
 

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Packers have a mismatch with the Vikes up front, I don?t think the Vikes interior O line can deal with Kenny Clark. They are going to need some big chunk plays. I would play action and go for the gusto play 1. Also the Vikes are going to need to get cook and their tight ends involved in the passing game.
 

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I think this is just a game to stay away from.

Not for me its the Vikes on the moneyline and also the alternate lines plus money is the play....way more talent for the Vikings than Green Bay. Not many positions where I would say Green Bay has better players....just go down the list and where do they have better players? Minnesota had 4 pro bowlers last year: WR, DE, LB and Safety. Green Bay 2: QB & WR

In 2018 Green Bay had just one: Adams again. Minnesota also had CB Rhodes, DE Griffen, DT Joeseph and TE Rudolph. The three defensive players were also in the 2017 pro bowl so it was no fluke.

So in the last 2 years Minnesota has had 8 of 22 starters make the pro bowl and Green Bay has had 2.
 

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Not for me its the Vikes on the moneyline and also the alternate lines plus money is the play....way more talent for the Vikings than Green Bay. Not many positions where I would say Green Bay has better players....just go down the list and where do they have better players? Minnesota had 4 pro bowlers last year: WR, DE, LB and Safety. Green Bay 2: QB & WR

In 2018 Green Bay had just one: Adams again. Minnesota also had CB Rhodes, DE Griffen, DT Joeseph and TE Rudolph. The three defensive players were also in the 2017 pro bowl so it was no fluke.

So in the last 2 years Minnesota has had 8 of 22 starters make the pro bowl and Green Bay has had 2.

I rarely trust the Vikes away on grass, big game for both teams Pack needs it to avoid a most likely seeep, cause barring injury the Vikes take care of business at home..

Picked the Vikes

24-20
 

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Minnesota Passing another game another failed attempt

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Packer defense big change dead weight gone replaced with younger faster more athletic every down players. Aaron jones with over 100 yards 23 attempts. Dont have to rely on Rodgers to win games. Offense will get better every week this is a dangerous scary team barring major injuries.
 

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Packer defense big change dead weight gone replaced with younger faster more athletic every down players. Aaron jones with over 100 yards 23 attempts. Dont have to rely on Rodgers to win games. Offense will get better every week this is a dangerous scary team barring major injuries.

Plus they had the refs in their back pocket that was fucking brutal and you never see me complain enough to post it.

1. Zimmer is not a great head coach and I?ve said it before, can?t go down 21-0

2. Vikes will never go far with cousins, that INT was terrible

3. Packers defense improving but they will get smacked around by better offensive teams. Vikes could run at will too and their offensive line is brutal
 

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Right the refs were packer fans and cheated for packers.They had nothing to do with Jones running over them to seal the game. When you go to ref card thats loser and fan talk.
 
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How about we find a kicker that can consistently drill kicks inside of 50, hell I'd be happy if they could hit extra points....So sick of seeing a drives stall then watch a kick sail wide left/right, so demoralizing.....:facepalm:
 

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Right the refs were packer fans and cheated for packers.They had nothing to do with Jones running over them to seal the game. When you go to ref card thats loser and fan talk.

If you watched the game the announcer even said all of the calls were going against Minnesota.

Every major sports outlet has questioned the PI call on Cook.

Referee John Hussey accidentally left his microphone on, which caught him saying, ?Tell me why we're stopping the game, please.?

Even Green Bay players are quoted as being confused by the call.

Now with a straight face tell me you think it was a good call.

Penalty yards were 3 to 1 on the Vikings. The Vikes were called for 3 offensive PI calls. I have never watched a pro football game where any offensive team was called for 3 PI in a game.

There is zero chance you will convince me that the offensive line of Green Bay did not hold at least once in that game. The defensive line was getting off on the ball. Zero offensive holding calls on Green Bay.

Just one more example of the officiating. Green Bay receiver has the ball and is in open space and falls down. He can legally get up and run and is trying too. A Viking player goes diving at him as he is trying to get up and run. Called for roughing. Then on a punt return Bebe is tip toeing down the sidelines losing his balance and one foot goes out of bounds and is hit by a Green Bay player. They throw the flag for unnecessary roughness on Green Bay.....then pick it up. They never showed the replay on TV ( I rewound and watched the play).

Did the Vikings make mistakes that could have made the referees decisions a mute point like Cousins int on first down in the end zone absolutely. But on the other hand Green Bay and their fans have to be very happy with the final score because after the first quarter the Vikes drilled them for three quarters (Rodgers 13/24 for 75 yards last 3 quarters and the Vikings out gained them 380 yards to 164 yards ) and some questionable referee calls allowed them to keep the lead.

The NFL is becoming unwatchable in general. Was it a catch or wasn't it a catch ( another horrible thing the NFL has implemented ). Now the New Orleans whining on the PI and the NFL allowing challenges on PI is only making it worse. I watched the Atlanta game and Julio Jones is mugged on an out route. Coach challenges the call and loses. I think one of the halftime shows or ESPN had a bunch of people talking about the PI challenge and how no one knew what the officials were going to call.
 
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