Wagering on the NBA Thugs

[Lightning]

No offense and I am not at all a racist but I can't bet on these NBA idiots anymore ... this sport is more unpredictable than playing Hold'em.

All I do is lose my baseball winnings on this chit! All I can tell you is that whatever I bet, take the opposite and you will be rolling in the dough like all these overpaid mostly illiterate thugs.

Now I feel like BeantownJim ... so my apologies in advance.

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[TouchdownJesus]

Well, I hope this doesn't turn into a racial post...

I don't consider myself prejudice either, but I get irritated at a lot of what I see.

The NBA is really bad. Its about 80% black, maybe more, especially if you just go by starters and guys that actually play.

The league as a whole is mainly made up of incredibly athletic, incredibly stupid thugs. Guys that can dunk and hit crazy shots at full speed, but can't hit a free throw. That tells me that they aren't disciplined enough to practice FT's. Or maybe they just arent paid enough...

 

[TouchdownJesus]

On another note, I had to hear for several days that there just aren't enough blacks playing baseball. What can we possibly do to generate interest so that more blacks will play?

How fuking racist is that???

If thats ok, then really, what can we do to get more whites to play football and basketball?

We live in a country where the black population is around 15% and yet the NFL and NBA are predominantly black. Not a problem.

But blacks don't want to play baseball and thats a problem.

Its pure racism, but I suppose I'm a racist for saying that its racism.

 

[SpursDynasty]

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How fuking racist is that???

If thats ok, then really, what can we do to get more whites to play football and basketball?

We live in a country where the black population is around 15% and yet the NFL and NBA are predominantly black. Not a problem.

But blacks don't want to play baseball and thats a problem.

why is that a problem? Let people or groups of people do what they want to do. A sport is a sport and nothing else.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

No offense and I am not at all a racist but I can't bet on these NBA idiots anymore ... this sport is more unpredictable than playing Hold'em.

All I do is lose my baseball winnings on this chit! All I can tell you is that whatever I bet, take the opposite and you will be rolling in the dough like all these overpaid mostly illiterate thugs.

Now I feel like BeantownJim ... so my apologies in advance.

:com:

Completely agree. I very rarely bet on the NBA anymore and usually don't even watch it. It is, in my opinion, the most unpredictable sport to bet on because most of the guys in the league are just collecting a paycheck. I used to LOVE betting the NBA because it WAS predictable. Good team down 0-1 in the playoffs at home? They come out and BLOWOUT their opponent next game. You could pretty much bank on it.

Last night Toronto looked pretty awful until the 4th quarter. "Oh crap.... we're about to lose again and the series will be over! We better start playing hard!" Same thing with Miami. In years past a team in their position would have come out and played a great game and, most likely, won the game outright. Not Miami. They get absolutely destroyed. And this is why I say there is absolutely NO HEART in the NBA. And as far as capping goes that's one of the biggest intangibles I account for. That's why betting college hoops is so much easier than the NBA for me.

 

[TouchdownJesus]

^^ Just irritating being an average white guy who played sports and seeing how things really are.

The black guy has more athleticism and gets more attention from coaches and more help from several different areas. If he doesn't come to practice or messes up off the field or makes stupid plays, its overlooked. Several chances. Can't yell at him or he'll either quit or be a menace to the team. He may not go to class or make the grades, but somehow he'll be allowed to re-take a test or hell, just give him the grade.

Blacks have every advantage to play baseball now and have for decades. Why must we as a society make sure that more play.

If someone was making sure more whites played basketball, there would be a cry of racism and that whites were taking scholarships away from blacks. How many whites did John Thompson have in 20 years at Georgetown. Maybe 2? Yet Georgetown is mostly white school.

And after all this, the black athlete will cry racism against HIM. Look at Chris Webber, who was getting paid since about the 10th grade illegally, and then said the league was like slavery. What a joke of a career and a joke of a human being. Lets take timeout after that.......

 

[pk_reynold]

Steve Jackson proved your point last night. It takes common sense to know that making a scene could cost you future suspension and cost your team the contention they could have had. I have yet to hear if he will be kept out of game 3 but it would be justified. Just get off the court and shut your mouth. If you want to rant to the media post game go ahead and except a 10,000 dollar fine which to most of us would be like $5 dollars.

 

[GamblingFool365]

That GS/DALLAS game was absolutly horrific! I had GS but I know people who had dallas and clearly saw the same things I saw. GS Should of covered that game AND EVEN AFTER being GIVEN DOUBLE The FT'S that GS was given. GS STILL ONLY LOST BY 12..

DWAYNE WADE Said it himself the other night. "Last Year I wasn't at my best before the finals, but the finals was when i was at my best. Same thing will be this year I WON'T BE AT MY BEST FOR TONIGHTS GAME BUT I WILL BE WHEN IT COUNTS"

WTF IS THAT?? WHEN IT COUNTS?? ITS' THE PLAYOFFS THEY COUNT NOW!!!!!

could be off a word or two but thats basically what he said

 

[TouchdownJesus]

He played well in the finals but he also shot 150 free throws. Nope, sorry, I just can't let last year's finals go. It was probably the biggest rip-off I've ever seen in sports.

 

[bej0101]

fricken groids :142smilie

 

[vinnie]

Now I feel like BeantownJim ..

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beantownjim is :s8: too kurby

 

[TouchdownJesus]

I hate Redick, but hey Magic...put him in. You've got nothing but non-shooting athletes on the court. Pretty easy for Pistons to defend. Put a white, non-athletic shooter on the court to spread the D.

 

[Theboundbook]

Baseball..... That's the handicapper's sport.

 

[moe777]

^^ Just irritating being an average white guy who played sports and seeing how things really are.

The black guy has more athleticism and gets more attention from coaches and more help from several different areas. If he doesn't come to practice or messes up off the field or makes stupid plays, its overlooked. Several chances. Can't yell at him or he'll either quit or be a menace to the team. He may not go to class or make the grades, but somehow he'll be allowed to re-take a test or hell, just give him the grade.

Blacks have every advantage to play baseball now and have for decades. Why must we as a society make sure that more play.

If someone was making sure more whites played basketball, there would be a cry of racism and that whites were taking scholarships away from blacks. How many whites did John Thompson have in 20 years at Georgetown. Maybe 2? Yet Georgetown is mostly white school.

And after all this, the black athlete will cry racism against HIM. Look at Chris Webber, who was getting paid since about the 10th grade illegally, and then said the league was like slavery. What a joke of a career and a joke of a human being. Lets take timeout after that.......

the white american athlete has this problem..not a problem for the european white athlete...we are on par or even better than the black athlete in soccer ,and basketball.both sports that are played by blacks at a high %..if the black athlete is so much better why cant he dominate basketball and soccer outside of american leagues...this is an american problem.....imo the ones to blame are white.THE COACHES at all levels in this country for the most part are pathetic.at the grassroots is wherre the problenm lies

 

[TouchdownJesus]

I agree. They see a guy that can run and jump and start salivating like crazy.

 

[blgstocks]

First of all, What great team didnt come out and dominate their second game?!? The only teams anybody has considered to have a chance dominated their second games. SA/DAL/Phe all had shitty first games, geuss what, they all came out and dominated.
Sure it took dallas all four quarteters, and denver made a very strong rally in the last 5 min but over all, those three dominated the games. IF the nba is so inconsistent shouldnt it be easier to make money betting on? Wouldnt that make the lines less sharp and there be more value in them?
And the problem as I see it is not the coaches at the grassroots of america LOL, but economics. Way back in the day when all you saw were white guys playing in the NBA in black and white film, those were predominately poor jewish kids. Same way in the 70's when it was a generation of poor black kids that had been playing the game. Now we are seeing a wave of foriegn players that can ball, and that is because they grew up watching the NBA games and geuss what their is going to be alot more foriegn players because they are predominately poor. It is an inexpensive game to play, and so kids that are poor and have alot of time, will get really good. These foreign players who arent naturally lightning fast never miss a jump shot because they probably spent every waking moment practicing. Think about it, what other sport is as cheap as bball? Maybe soccer is close to equal, but thats it. So if you want to find the next new race or culture to hit the nba look at what the poorest country with basketball as a viable option for youth, and you will have your answer. White americans are never going to be dominate in the NBA for awhile, mainly because they are too rich and they will play video games or internet or activities that they can afford and are comfortable, instead of spending 10 hours a day at the park working on their shots/handles. Of course there is the odd duck that just loves the game so much that they take that time. It of course is a very general view of the race/culture situation in the NBA, and there are exceptions but history continues to prove it and it makes sense to me.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

the white american athlete has this problem..not a problem for the european white athlete...we are on par or even better than the black athlete in soccer ,and basketball.both sports that are played by blacks at a high %..if the black athlete is so much better why cant he dominate basketball and soccer outside of american leagues...this is an american problem.....imo the ones to blame are white.THE COACHES at all levels in this country for the most part are pathetic.at the grassroots is wherre the problenm lies

Interesting topic! Personally, I look at it a couple of different ways. First of all, from a sheer numbers standpoint, 12% of the American population is black. Compare that to England, for example, where the black population is roughly 2%. Even less black people in countries like Italy, and so on. Therefore it would make sense that there would be a higher percentage of black professional athletes here.

Also, and I think this is just as important, is the cultural differences between America and Europe. The reason basketball has so many black players in this country is because it's embraced by the hip hop culture like no other sport. When rappers rap about athletes they usually rap about basketball players, not baseball players, not tennis players, etc. Therefore, young black kids naturally look up to black basketball players and gravitate to basketball as the sport they want to play. There doesn't seem to be a lot of black kids who want to be the next Arthur Ashe.

And I'm certainly no expert on European culture but as far as I know THE sport to play there is soccer. Sure there are other sports like basketball, but I don't think kids growing up don't typically aspire to be basketball players there. So I think part of the reason why black people haven't dominated sports like basketball over there is because they simply don't have much desire to play them. Soccer is the main gig. Now as far as why black people haven't dominated soccer over there, my guess would be it's just because there are a lot less black people living there.

Just my .02. Like I said I find this stuff interesting so I'm curious to hear other opinions as well...

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

First of all, What great team didnt come out and dominate their second game?!? The only teams anybody has considered to have a chance dominated their second games. SA/DAL/Phe all had shitty first games, geuss what, they all came out and dominated.
Sure it took dallas all four quarteters, and denver made a very strong rally in the last 5 min but over all, those three dominated the games. IF the nba is so inconsistent shouldnt it be easier to make money betting on? Wouldnt that make the lines less sharp and there be more value in them?
And the problem as I see it is not the coaches at the grassroots of america LOL, but economics. Way back in the day when all you saw were white guys playing in the NBA in black and white film, those were predominately poor jewish kids. Same way in the 70's when it was a generation of poor black kids that had been playing the game. Now we are seeing a wave of foriegn players that can ball, and that is because they grew up watching the NBA games and geuss what their is going to be alot more foriegn players because they are predominately poor. It is an inexpensive game to play, and so kids that are poor and have alot of time, will get really good. These foreign players who arent naturally lightning fast never miss a jump shot because they probably spent every waking moment practicing. Think about it, what other sport is as cheap as bball? Maybe soccer is close to equal, but thats it. So if you want to find the next new race or culture to hit the nba look at what the poorest country with basketball as a viable option for youth, and you will have your answer. White americans are never going to be dominate in the NBA for awhile, mainly because they are too rich and they will play video games or internet or activities that they can afford and are comfortable, instead of spending 10 hours a day at the park working on their shots/handles. Of course there is the odd duck that just loves the game so much that they take that time. It of course is a very general view of the race/culture situation in the NBA, and there are exceptions but history continues to prove it and it makes sense to me.

I don't know if this was directed at me but I did post something similar to this, so what the hay... first off, you're right. SA/Phoe/Dallas did take care of business in their game 2's. Absolutely. I have to give them props. However, at the time I made that post only Miami and Toronto had played their game 2's. And I don't think I called either of them great, because I don't think they are by any means. However, getting more to the point, they both looked like crap if you ask me. Miami simply didn't show up and got throttled. Toronto looked like they were sleepwalking through the first 3 quarters of the game, then turned it on in the 4th to win.

My point was, and maybe I'm just remembering this wrong, but it seems like the NBA used to be a lot more predictable given the playoff situation. Like I said, I'm used to seeing a team in Toronto's situation come out and play like their season is on the line, because in all honesty, it is. Didn't see that so much. I also expect a team like Miami to put up a lot more of a fight, even though they were in a hostile environment. Now you have Shaq making idiotic comments like "they held their homecourt advantage, now all we have to do is hold ours." Ummm... excuse me? You don't HAVE homecourt advantage?! :mj07: Maybe that's part of the problem. Players today just don't get it. I won't go on a 60 minute diatribe about how the game has disintegrated ever since going from a team game to an individual game, but I think that's a root cause of the problem.

As for it being easier to make money betting on inconsistent sports, I don't see that. Forget lines, I do much better betting on sports where I have a pretty good feel for what's going to happen before the game is even played. In hoops I just don't know anymore. Miami is in a must-win situation? Hmmmm... well they could come out and play their best game of the season, or, then again, they may not even show up and just collect their paycheck. Anybody's guess. That's why I like betting on college sports so much. Things like revenge, nationally televised games, homecourt/field, etc. actually MEAN something. I'm not sure I know of ANY scenarios in the NBA where I can confidently expect a team to go out and give a great effort anymore.

 

[blgstocks]

I don't know if this was directed at me but I did post something similar to this, so what the hay... first off, you're right. SA/Phoe/Dallas did take care of business in their game 2's. Absolutely. I have to give them props. However, at the time I made that post only Miami and Toronto had played their game 2's. And I don't think I called either of them great, because I don't think they are by any means. However, getting more to the point, they both looked like crap if you ask me. Miami simply didn't show up and got throttled. Toronto looked like they were sleepwalking through the first 3 quarters of the game, then turned it on in the 4th to win.

My point was, and maybe I'm just remembering this wrong, but it seems like the NBA used to be a lot more predictable given the playoff situation. Like I said, I'm used to seeing a team in Toronto's situation come out and play like their season is on the line, because in all honesty, it is. Didn't see that so much. I also expect a team like Miami to put up a lot more of a fight, even though they were in a hostile environment. Now you have Shaq making idiotic comments like "they held their homecourt advantage, now all we have to do is hold ours." Ummm... excuse me? You don't HAVE homecourt advantage?! :mj07: Maybe that's part of the problem. Players today just don't get it. I won't go on a 60 minute diatribe about how the game has disintegrated ever since going from a team game to an individual game, but I think that's a root cause of the problem.

As for it being easier to make money betting on inconsistent sports, I don't see that. Forget lines, I do much better betting on sports where I have a pretty good feel for what's going to happen before the game is even played. In hoops I just don't know anymore. Miami is in a must-win situation? Hmmmm... well they could come out and play their best game of the season, or, then again, they may not even show up and just collect their paycheck. Anybody's guess. That's why I like betting on college sports so much. Things like revenge, nationally televised games, homecourt/field, etc. actually MEAN something. I'm not sure I know of ANY scenarios in the NBA where I can confidently expect a team to go out and give a great effort anymore.

Just the first part of my post was directed to you glenn. And I agree completely about toronto and miami. But then aagain i thought nets were going to win the series and I think Miami was lucky wade got hurt or they might not have made it into the playoffs! Miami is just not that good, so I wouldnt bet on them either. I much prefer college sports myself, and find the effort to be much more consistent. I know you would agree that any college football team is going to give it their all every week against similar competition. I personally rarely bet on pro sports, but it is because I don't find much value in the lines. But I get what you were saying now about the teams not showing up.

And those shaq comments are too funny :mj07: .Most of my post was directed towards the race subject of this thread

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Just the first part of my post was directed to you glenn. And I agree completely about toronto and miami. But then aagain i thought nets were going to win the series and I think Miami was lucky wade got hurt or they might not have made it into the playoffs! Miami is just not that good, so I wouldnt bet on them either. I much prefer college sports myself, and find the effort to be much more consistent. I know you would agree that any college football team is going to give it their all every week against similar competition. I personally rarely bet on pro sports, but it is because I don't find much value in the lines. But I get what you were saying now about the teams not showing up.

And those shaq comments are too funny :mj07: .Most of my post was directed towards the race subject of this thread

Gotcha. Well that makes two of us who prefer betting on college sports. Speaking of which... stellar record in college hoops last year!