wait to you hear this....

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i just heard that the senate slipped in a last minuite provision that a consultation with the mexican gov't. must take place before the wall at the southern border is erected...

this is a perfect example of the senate not protecting it's people......
 
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i just heard that republican senator arlen spector was the one who slipped that provision in.....

fat teddy must have pictures of spector with sheep or something....

i'm so livid about this that i'm going to start changing the service companies that take care of my houses...i'm going to not do business with any company that has illegals working for them....
 

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AR I can't believe the House will let that go thru, these pandering ass senators should all be shot.

That fu****g spector is a Republican in name only, what a turncoat, probably sucks kennedy's dick regularly. :scared
 

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thanks buddy.....i hope you people in pa. remember this when spector is up for re-election...


i've been looking to see if i can get the votes for this bill.....it was, i think 63-32 for the bill....
 

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Senate Passes Immigration Bill Overhaul

Senate Passes Immigration Bill Overhaul

Friday, May 26, 2006

WASHINGTON -- Legislation to secure U.S. borders and offer millions of illegal immigrants access to the American dream cleared the Senate on Thursday, a rare election-year reach across party lines and a triumph for President Bush.

The 62-36 vote cleared the way for arduous summertime compromise talks with the House on its version that focuses on border enforcement - with no guarantee of success.

"Why not say to those undocumented workers who are working the jobs that the rest of us refuse, come out from the shadows," said Arizona Republican John McCain, a key architect of the bill.

The legislation includes money to better secure the borders, provide a new guest worker program and give an eventual shot at citizenship to many of the estimated 11 million to 12 million immigrants in the country illegally.

The bill "strengthens our security and reflects our humanity," said Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., McCain's partner in Senate compromise. "It is intended to keep out those who would harm us and welcome those who contribute to our country."

Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., and the Democratic leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, both sided with supporters, a reflection of the bipartisan backing for a bill that was months in the drafting and survived several near-death experiences.

Conservative critics attacked the legislation to the end after trying unsuccessfully to pull it apart with amendments.

"This bill will not secure our borders," said Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., one of the most persistent critics.

"This is amnesty," added David Vitter, R-La., who tried last week to strip out provisions relating to citizenship.

Not so, said Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., chairman of the Judiciary Committee, in a rebuttal to weeks of debate. "They have to pay a fine. They have to undergo a criminal background check. They have to pay back taxes, they have to learn English and they have to go to the back of the line," he said, referring to illegal immigrants who would apply for citizenship.

Still, Sessions, Vitter, John Cornyn of Texas and others echoed a view widely held among House Republicans, many of whom have vigorously denounced the Senate bill as well as Bush's call for a "comprehensive approach" to the issue.

That portended difficult compromise talks in the shadow of midterm elections, at a time when Bush's poll ratings are low, congressional Republicans are concerned and Democrats are increasingly optimistic about their chances in November.

For now, supporters of the Senate bill said they intended to savor their victory. Peppered with questions about the compromise talks ahead, Sen. Mel Martinez, R-Fla., said, "I'm going to celebrate here."

The House bill, which passed on a largely party-line vote last year, is generally limited to border enforcement. It would make all illegal immigrants subject to felony charges and it contains no provision for either a new temporary worker program or citizenship for men, women and children in the country unlawfully.

In contrast, the Senate bill would mark the most far-reaching changes in immigration law in two decades. Built on compromise after painstaking compromise, it was designed to appeal to conservatives and others seeking tougher border enforcement; business interests eager for a steady supply of legal, low-wage labor; unions seeking enhanced protections for migrants who often toil in seasonal work the fields and Hispanics who are on the cusp of greater political power and determined to win a change in legal status for millions of illegal immigrants.

That last group - Hispanics - comprises the fastest growing segment of the electorate, and millions made their feelings clear in street demonstrations denouncing the House measure and calling for passage of a broader measure.

Bush played a prominent role in the run-up to passage. An Oval Office speech last week made explicit his support for the Senate's overall approach. A later trip to Arizona was designed to reassure conservatives about his commitment to stanching illegal immigration.

In more than a week of debate, the Senate made a series of changes in the legislation. Still, the key pillars were preserved when opponents failed to knock out the guest worker program or the citizenship provisions. A new program for 1.5 million temporary agricultural workers also survived.

To secure the borders, the measure calls for the hiring of an additional 1,000 new Border Patrol agents this year and 14,000 by 2011, and backs Bush's plan for a short-term deployment of National Guard troops to states along the Mexican Border. The bill calls for new surveillance equipment as well as the construction of 370 miles of triple-layered fencing and 500 miles of vehicle barriers.

The new guest worker program would admit 200,000 individuals a year. Once here, they would be permitted for the first time to petition on their own for a green card that confers legal permanent residency, a provision designed to reduce the potential for exploitation by employers.

A separate new program, a compromise between growers and unions, envisions admission of an estimated 1.5 million immigrant farm workers who may also apply for permanent residency.

Even supporters of the bill conceded the three-tiered program related to illegal immigrants was complicated.

Those in the country unlawfully for five years or more would be permitted to remain, continue working and eventually apply for citizenship. They would be required to pay at least $3,250 in fines and fees, settle any back taxes and learn English.

Illegal immigrants in the country for more than two years but less than five would be required to travel to a point of entry before re-entering the United States legally and beginning a lengthy process of seeking citizenship. They would be subject to the same fines, fees and other requirements as the longer-term immigrants.

An immigrant in the country illegally for less than two years would be required to leave with no guarantee of return.

A new electronic system for employee verification is designed to hold employers accountable for hiring decisions. It provides for maximum fines of $20,000 for each worker and possible jail time for repeat offenders.

A separate controversy erupted over a call to make English the national language. Supporters said it would leave all current rights in place. Detractors argued it could undermine an executive order that mandates assistance to individuals who receive services such as health care yet lack proficiency in English.



? 2006 Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
 

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advice from some folks that know something about border enforcement....

""As America begins to discuss building walls to stop illegal immigration, here’s some harsh but very pragmatic advice from an Israeli expert, at Ha’aretz: Israeli advice on the Mexico fence: be ruthless.

Money: It will probably cost more than you think. Why? Because that’s always the way it is with such projects. Americans, the Israeli says, tend to be very structured in their work, in a way that has many benefits but also some limitations. It means that they waste a lot of money on “process” and “management” and “studies” before they really act. They make no short-cuts, thus save no money. In the last issue of The National Journal, the Israeli fence is mentioned as the example to use when calculating the cost of such a fence (2000 mile fence = $6.4 billion dollars). The Israeli expert thinks the Americans will end up paying more.

Efficiency: It can work, the expert says - and other Israeli know-hows agree. Don’t buy the argument of liberal opponents who say “no fence can stop people from coming.” If done in a proper way, the fence can work. It can achieve whatever goal the U.S. wants it to, “100 percent, 90 percent, 80 percent prevention. Just make the right commitment and you?ll get results.”

Tactics: Don’t just rely on sophisticated machinery and equipment. You need people on the ground using the equipment to pursue the invaders. They need to react fast, they need intelligence, and they need to be tireless. It will only take a couple of months before the flow of immigrants will become much weaker.

Intelligence: Recruit people on the Mexican side to be your eyes and ears and to tell you what the smugglers are up to. Make sure you can communicate fast, and react even faster. Good intelligence can be the key factor for success.

Routine: The smugglers will be inventive and will look for ways around you. If you stick to some regulated routine, you’ll end up wasting your time and your money. Surprise them where they don’t expect you, make them understand that no place is safe, no route out of reach. “Don’t police them, fight them.”

Ruthlessness: Is it really important for the Americans? If it is, they should be prepared to show it. “Make the other side understand that this is no game - that life can be in danger,” says the expert. “I know this is the toughest advice of all, but short of doing it the Americans will end up pretending to stop illegal immigrants rather than really doing it. At the end of the day, it is very simple: America is more powerful than the smugglers - meaning, it can deter them from doing what they do.” But there’s one condition necessary to keep this preponderance of power working: “It should be as important for America to stop the illegal new comers as it is for them to come.”

Danger: You mean they have to shoot the smugglers? “No, they have to stop them. But if they run away they have to chase them, and if they resist they need to use force. Eventually, they’ll end up doing things you don’t want people to watch on television. I’m not sure if they have the resolve and the stomach to do it. Maybe it’s not as important for them as they claim it is.”""

specter?.....i`m not prepared to ream this a-hole just yet...but it`s coming...i promise...


we have 10% of the mexican population in our country ...i say our fence should include 10% of mexico`s territory........

but..no amount of fence building or dollar spending will alter the fundamental fact that though we have the ability, we lack the will....the desire...

i still say,build the frickin` wall......
 

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The Senates work is more or less dead. Congress will change it. And it may never see light of day before election in November.
However The senators say they have put together a bill that Bush will sign.
 

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Looks like 62 of these bums MUST be voted out for committing high treason against the sovereignty of the United States of America!!!

Kudos for the 4 democrats and 32 Republicans who stood up for our country!!!!

Would the last American Patriot in Washington please grab the flag!!!
 
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Alabama

Sessions (R) No; Shelby (R) No.

Alaska

Murkowski (R) Yes; Stevens (R) Yes.

Arizona

Kyl (R) No; McCain (R) Yes.

Arkansas

Lincoln (D) Yes; Pryor (D) Yes.

California

Boxer (D) Yes; Feinstein (D) Yes.

Colorado

Allard (R) No; Salazar (D) Not Voting.

Connecticut

Dodd (D) Yes; Lieberman (D) Yes.

Delaware

Biden (D) Yes; Carper (D) Yes.

Florida

Martinez (R) Yes; Nelson (D) Yes.

Georgia

Chambliss (R) No; Isakson (R) No.

Hawaii

Akaka (D) Yes; Inouye (D) Yes.

Idaho

Craig (R) Yes; Crapo (R) No.

Illinois

Durbin (D) Yes; Obama (D) Yes.

Indiana

Bayh (D) Yes; Lugar (R) Yes.

Iowa

Grassley (R) No; Harkin (D) Yes.

Kansas

Brownback (R) Yes; Roberts (R) No.

Kentucky

Bunning (R) No; McConnell (R) Yes.

Louisiana

Landrieu (D) Yes; Vitter (R) No.

Maine

Collins (R) Yes; Snowe (R) Yes.

Maryland

Mikulski (D) Yes; Sarbanes (D) Yes.

Massachusetts

Kennedy (D) Yes; Kerry (D) Yes.

Michigan

Levin (D) Yes; Stabenow (D) No.

Minnesota

Coleman (R) Yes; Dayton (D) Yes.

Mississippi

Cochran (R) No; Lott (R) No.

Missouri

Bond (R) No; Talent (R) No.

Montana

Baucus (D) Yes; Burns (R) No.

Nebraska

Hagel (R) Yes; Nelson (D) No.

Nevada

Ensign (R) No; Reid (D) Yes.

New Hampshire

Gregg (R) Yes; Sununu (R) No.

New Jersey

Lautenberg (D) Yes; Menendez (D) Yes.

New Mexico

Bingaman (D) Yes; Domenici (R) Yes.

New York

Clinton (D) Yes; Schumer (D) Yes.

North Carolina

Burr (R) No; Dole (R) No.

North Dakota

Conrad (D) Yes; Dorgan (D) No.

Ohio

DeWine (R) Yes; Voinovich (R) Yes.

Oklahoma

Coburn (R) No; Inhofe (R) No.

Oregon

Smith (R) Yes; Wyden (D) Yes.

Pennsylvania

Santorum (R) No; Specter (R) Yes.

Rhode Island

Chafee (R) Yes; Reed (D) Yes.

South Carolina

DeMint (R) No; Graham (R) Yes.

South Dakota

Johnson (D) Yes; Thune (R) No.

Tennessee

Alexander (R) No; Frist (R) Yes.

Texas

Cornyn (R) No; Hutchison (R) No.

Utah

Bennett (R) Yes; Hatch (R) No.

Vermont

Jeffords (I) Yes; Leahy (D) Yes.

Virginia

Allen (R) No; Warner (R) Yes.

Washington

Cantwell (D) Yes; Murray (D) Yes.

West Virginia

Byrd (D) No; Rockefeller (D) Not Voting.

Wisconsin

Feingold (D) Yes; Kohl (D) Yes.

Wyoming

Enzi (R) No; Thomas (R) No.
 

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very surprised in lugar, brownback, mcconnell, coleman, domenici, & warner voting yes..
 
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This was the Dems' chance to get some respect from the majority of theis country. They blew it.....yet again. Morons.

Every YES voter from each side must be removed. They do not work for us.
 

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smurph...

if i'm not mistaken spector won a close election last time...i definitely think he will lose next time..

brownback voting yes really surprised me....

i hope mccain gets the boot next time also....he used to be my favorite politican....now he is one of my least favorite....i also don't think mccain will get the republican nomination in 08....he had a chance before he sided with fat teddy....quite a few people here that either me or the wife have spoken to are sick to their stomach on how mccain sold the american people down the river so he can get the spanish vote in 08....
 

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This was the Dems' chance to get some respect from the majority of theis country. They blew it.....yet again. Morons.

Every YES voter from each side must be removed. They do not work for us.

you would think that when these people come up for re-election it would be easy to run against them.
 

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FAT TEDDY'S RECOLLECTIONS

FAT TEDDY'S RECOLLECTIONS

Fat Teddy is a PIG.

When I came back , the car and Mary jo were gone .

Arlen Specter first of all needs to leave his hair alone.

Fat Teddy is getting ready to reveal those polaroids of marilyn that he lifted after Dallas.

When I came back, the car and mary jo were gone.
 
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I don't know Pujo....is this another no-bid contract or does the American taxpayer get a fawking break this time by auctioning the job off like a real democracy works?

I really like the part where we must consult with the Mexican authorities to get their approval.... :mj07:

USA: "Can we build it?" :shrug:

Mexico: "No Senior." :nono:
 

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This is all another Goerge Bush concocted scam to make money for his defense company butt buddies.

People don't really believe or trust this guy anymore , do they ?

If trying to turn our ports over to BUSH'S butt buddy ARAB SCUMBAGS doesn't convince people about his true intentions on any issue. well then........

This Scam will get done at $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ BILLIONS for the Bush Butt Buddy Companies.


....................YEP
 
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