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[Don Wallace]

According to the Hilton Superbook, the consensus pick of the week is Atlanta. It behooves me to no why anyone would want to back the Falcons in this spot. There not the offensive powerhouse the media and the league wants you to believe. Like the Manning brothers, the league wants you to sell you Vick like hes the quarterback of the future. Now analyst are repositioning there story........hey forget about his inability to consistently throw the football successfully, look what he brings to the game. Vick is an incredible athlete, but not the type of QB that wins a Superbowl. When has a running QB ever won a Superbowl. Im so sick of the league trying to sell me on his laser arm and how hes going to revolutionize the position. Hes the quinesstential ghetto QB that in my opinion dumbs the position. Quarterbacking is about functional intelligence.......not how high you can jump and how fast you can run. The media construct in this country is a joke, but thats anther story. The purpose of this post is to save you from yourself. I live in New Orleans, and I understand the importance of this game and what it means to the city. It represents a city on a comeback.We hosted six Superbowls in the Superdome and this game transcends all of that. People who argue that the emotion will subside after the 1st quarter are mistaking. The Superdome will be rocking tonight. This Saints team represents a new era in New Orleans and if you think that pop warner QB and the dirty birds will come into our house and not get a fight your wrong. But, forget about the emotional aspects of the game. Why do you think MNF homedogs have covered at about 70% a clip in the 20 years? Why is it that road favs year in and year out post negative ATS. I dont know maybe theres something In missing or dont understand about you new age handicappers. Only squares bet favs were I come from...........muchless road favs. All I read online was how Balitmore -6.5 was the play of the week. Or how Carolina and Chicago were just gonna roll. With the parity in the league now, why would you want to lay point , especially on the road. Nonetheless, Im not backing the Saints tonight. An old handicapping situational trend goes against the Saints. Teams that open the seaeon with there frist 2 games on the road historically havent done well in there home opener in week 3. In addition, I dont see every game as a seperate entity........I will play the Saints as a +7 dog or more. But III be damn if I would back Atlanta in this spot. Know that New Orleans can win this game outright tonight the match ups the level of talent are not as far off as you think.

 

[The Sponge]

although i agree with a lot of what you say about the media and your points on Vick, has he really had anyone to throw to his whole career beside his tightendy? Did he ever have a defense like Big Ben and Mcnab to carry him? When Finerman is your best wideout for the last two years your not gonna get much done. His receiving crop is still thin but its a little bit better this year. I will say this tho if you don't have much talent evaluation skills the media will shape your mind the wrong way.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

According to the Hilton Superbook, the consensus pick of the week is Atlanta. It behooves me to no why anyone would want to back the Falcons in this spot. There not the offensive powerhouse the media and the league wants you to believe. Like the Manning brothers, the league wants you to sell you Vick like hes the quarterback of the future. Now analyst are repositioning there story........hey forget about his inability to consistently throw the football successfully, look what he brings to the game. Vick is an incredible athlete, but not the type of QB that wins a Superbowl. When has a running QB ever won a Superbowl. Im so sick of the league trying to sell me on his laser arm and how hes going to revolutionize the position. Hes the quinesstential ghetto QB that in my opinion dumbs the position. Quarterbacking is about functional intelligence.......not how high you can jump and how fast you can run. The media construct in this country is a joke, but thats anther story. The purpose of this post is to save you from yourself. I live in New Orleans, and I understand the importance of this game and what it means to the city. It represents a city on a comeback.We hosted six Superbowls in the Superdome and this game transcends all of that. People who argue that the emotion will subside after the 1st quarter are mistaking. The Superdome will be rocking tonight. This Saints team represents a new era in New Orleans and if you think that pop warner QB and the dirty birds will come into our house and not get a fight your wrong. But, forget about the emotional aspects of the game. Why do you think MNF homedogs have covered at about 70% a clip in the 20 years? Why is it that road favs year in and year out post negative ATS. I dont know maybe theres something In missing or dont understand about you new age handicappers. Only squares bet favs were I come from...........muchless road favs. All I read online was how Balitmore -6.5 was the play of the week. Or how Carolina and Chicago were just gonna roll. With the parity in the league now, why would you want to lay point , especially on the road. Nonetheless, Im not backing the Saints tonight. An old handicapping situational trend goes against the Saints. Teams that open the seaeon with there frist 2 games on the road historically havent done well in there home opener in week 3. In addition, I dont see every game as a seperate entity........I will play the Saints as a +7 dog or more. But III be damn if I would back Atlanta in this spot. Know that New Orleans can win this game outright tonight the match ups the level of talent are not as far off as you think.

Don,

Great post. I've been saying this for years. I've also made more money betting against Vick than any other player, so I'm not complaining. Great athlete does not equal great QB, yet people are enamored with him because of his Sportscenter highlight reel scrambling ability. Call me old-fashioned but I still say you should be able to hit an open WR on a 5-yard out if you're an NFL QB. :mj07:

 

[Don Wallace]

Im conviced some NFL teams are more concerned with the marketing/entertainment value than winning. How do you pass on Matt Leinar and Jay Cuttler to select Vince Young with the 3rd overall pick? Hes just a bigger version of Vick. Is he exciting to watch.......sure he is. But running QBs never get past a quick defenses that can play sideline to sideline. Divisional opponents study film on these type QBs and generally find new ways of containing them. Vick is what he is. But what sickins me is when analyst go on incessantly about how great he is. What a rocket arm he has..........please. QBs like Vick and Young are a insult to the position. I believe Cuttler in Denvers system will be as successful as Palmer..........and the sooner Green turns the offense over to Leiner the better. The NFL is a trendy copycat league, these type of QBs will be a thing of the past in about 7 to 8 years.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Im conviced some NFL teams are more concerned with the marketing/entertainment value than winning. How do you pass on Matt Leinar and Jay Cuttler to select Vince Young with the 3rd overall pick? Hes just a bigger version of Vick. Is he exciting to watch.......sure he is. But running QBs never get past a quick defenses that can play sideline to sideline. Divisional opponents study film on these type QBs and generally find new ways of containing them. Vick is what he is. But what sickins me is when analyst go on incessantly about how great he is. What a rocket arm he has..........please. QBs like Vick and Young are a insult to the position. I believe Cuttler in Denvers system will be as successful as Palmer..........and the sooner Green turns the offense over to Leiner the better. The NFL is a trendy copycat league, these type of QBs will be a thing of the past in about 7 to 8 years.

You know who else analysts always say has a rocket arm? Aaron Brooks! :mj07: It's like their way of trying to be nice and say something positive about a bad QB.

I agree about Young. I'm not saying he won't be a good QB, but I think he's definitely a better college QB than NFL. Luckily, the NFL hasn't YET become college, where you can mask your inability as a passer by running options, wishbones, etc. I would bet just about anything that Cutler will be the best QB from that draft. Too bad he's one of those boring, prototypical NFL QB's huh?

 

[seoulbrotha]

you guys are just wrong, i dont usually post or anything, but vick is sick wit it!!! he has no weapons but crumpler and dunn. so who is he goin to pass to, mind as well tuck it and run if no can catch. look at randell cunningham, steve young they were great. plus vick was learning a new system, and this should be the year to execute.

as for v. young, he didnt even go through his first year yet!!! cmon give a brotha a chance. he did dominant the usc defense in the championship with ease. granted leinart and cutler aint bad either, but young belongs with them.

just because everyone is not like p.manning, a pocket quarterback (which by the way hasnt reached the big game with all the weapons he has) doesnt mean that they cant do it in the nfl.
in fact, atl will be among the top teams in the nfc with the seahawks

 

[88fj62]

but not the type of QB that wins a Superbowl.

When has a running QB ever won a Superbowl.

I live in New Orleans, and I understand the importance of this game and what it means to the city.

It represents a city on a comeback.We hosted six Superbowls in the Superdome and this game transcends all of that.

dirty birds will come into our house and not get a fight your wrong.

the match ups the level of talent are not as far off as you think.

#1 this is not the superbowl

#2 u r a homer

#3 repeat #1

#4 you haven't studied the matchups very well.

I will take the birds up to 5.5.

GL

 

[GOLFSTUD]

What about Atlanta's Defense

What about Atlanta's Defense

I think Atlanta is the play because of superior defense, not because of Vick. Although Vick is more of a weapon this year because they finally figured out how to use his talents. Run, Run, and more Run. They are using a version of the college option play and its working because NFL defenses are not used to defending it. I think Atlanta knows what you guys are saying and figures if Vick gets hurt then they put in the "real" quarterback (pocket passer type).
I think the best play tonight is the Under because of Atlanta'a defense and lack of offensive fire power.

 

[Don Wallace]

Your absolutely correct, this is not the Superbowl. Your absolutely wrong........Im not a homer. I could a good rats ass about the Saints. Im from Texas. My favorite team is whoever covers my fade. Im not some fan standing in front of the TV with my pomp-pomps. Im strictly about money. The Superbowl reference was to give illustration to example........that running QBs dont consistently win. I cant stand QBs like Vick. Hes not ever gonna be a prolific passer. It takes intelligence to read and anticipate how a defense will react.....and I think the way he plays the position is mindless. It may appear that Im a homer, its just I live in New Orleans now and I understand what this game means to the city and the Saints organization. Will Atlanta come in here and win and cover......Ive seen crazier things happen in sports. But from a wagering standpoint , you got to be a real square to fade a MNF homedog playing the biggest game in franchise history.

 

[Don Wallace]

Golfstud, I concurr......I think the play is the Under 44.5 . I anticipate a hard hitting defensive struggle........but I dont bet totals.

 

[Cellular18]

Same Game Teaser (7 points)

Atlanta +3
Under 51

 

[The Sponge]

Golfstud, I concurr......I think the play is the Under 44.5 . I anticipate a hard hitting defensive struggle........but I dont bet totals.

First off im not into these running quarterbacks either. Come deep into the playoffs against good teams they do noting. You can't compare Lienert Young and Cutler just yet. To be fair Young has gotten into an awful situation with a terrible team. This is what killed Tim Couch and Achilles Smith. Now Cutler and Lienart are on much better teams with a chance at much better success. People always overlook something like this and its not fair. Big Ben wouldn't do crap on the Titans now. He was blessed into a great situation. One other thing that Vick has at his disadvantage is i think he is with one of the worst coaches in the league. I never see a quarterback improve under a Mora.

 

[GOLFSTUD]

Golfstud, I concurr......I think the play is the Under 44.5 . I anticipate a hard hitting defensive struggle........but I dont bet totals.

What do you mean you don't bet totals?
What are you religious?

 

[SpursDynasty]

I agree with Don Wallace.

sincerely,

Rush Limbaugh

 

[Don Wallace]

I use to wager on totals , but was +18 on my NFL sides one year and -13 on my total plays . Dude Im 41 years old Ive been betting sports for over 20 years and learn that its best to stick with what you do well. Man, I got one eye on the TV and theres really a Mardi Gras feeling going on downtown. They got live bands playing in the streets. Everybody is running around in black and gold........thats one thing about New Orleans ,these people are not gonna miss a chance to party. Its a madhouse out there.

 

[Don Wallace]

Love Rush, but Im more of a Fox News kinda guy. My post are like the no spin zone.

 

[Cellular18]

That's all good and well...

But those people are not playing football.

It's a madhouse before every Cleveland Browns game in downtown cleveland... and it doesn't matter....

Let's not forget, Atlanta is well aware of whats at risk in this game, and they know how "pumped up" NO is...

Atlanta has given up only 9 points all year.

3 to Tampa Bay and 6 to Carolina.

NO gave up 27 to Green Bay......
and 14 to Cleveland....

 

[natethehorn]

How can you say Vince Young is just a taller version of Michael Vick? Did you even watch Texas last year. He was the number one rated PASSER in college football. Don't be fooled by washed up NFL commentators like Merril Hoge and Sean Salisbury about his "throwing motion." That is stupid. Vince has a great arm. Is his delivery a little funky? Sure, but so was Steve Young's and he turned out to have a decent career. Just my .02.
GL.
Under 44.5

 

[Agent 0659]

. Im not some fan standing in front of the TV with my pomp-pomps. .

What the hell is a pomp pomp?:shrug: :shrug: :mj07:

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

you guys are just wrong, i dont usually post or anything, but vick is sick wit it!!! he has no weapons but crumpler and dunn. so who is he goin to pass to, mind as well tuck it and run if no can catch. look at randell cunningham, steve young they were great. plus vick was learning a new system, and this should be the year to execute.

as for v. young, he didnt even go through his first year yet!!! cmon give a brotha a chance. he did dominant the usc defense in the championship with ease. granted leinart and cutler aint bad either, but young belongs with them.

just because everyone is not like p.manning, a pocket quarterback (which by the way hasnt reached the big game with all the weapons he has) doesnt mean that they cant do it in the nfl.
in fact, atl will be among the top teams in the nfc with the seahawks

Steve Young and Cunningham were both very good passers. Vick is NOT a good passer. I agree he doesn't have a great receiving corps, but what does that matter when he has a receiver, ANY receiver, wide open and he can't get him the ball? You can't consistently miss open receivers and be considering a good QB in my opinion. And no amount of juke moves is going to change my mind.

I never said Young was going to be a bust or anything. He may very well turn out to be a good QB. I simply said that he is more suited to the college game than the pro game. He is definitely a better passer than Vick, but he also relies on his feet a lot too. It's my opinion that Cutler is a better passer than Young and in the NFL that's the most important quality for a QB. There may come a point in time when that isn't true, but as for now I think it is.

You're right, I do tend to lean more to prototypical pocket passers. The reason for that is simple though. Those types of QBs are typically better passers than scrambling QBs. Just like I would rather watch a slower WR who can actually the ball than a speed-burner who continually drops it.