Was the war worth it.

[AR182]

eddie,

where did you get that figure of the iraqi deaths ? i haven't seen any numbers. also did they give the number of iraqi's who were used by saddam's crew as shields? how do they know that the allies killed all of these people? and how many were killed by saddam's armies ? btw how do you know that this set the stage for more terrorists attacks?

 

[trademaster]

Numbers so far:

DEATHS: 1101 Iraqi civilians dead (many women and children) in battle (sic) for Baghdad.

WOUNDED: 6800 wounded.



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was it worth it...simple...HELL NO...BUT...it was worth it in the USA & ONLY in the USA...i wonder who will decide the iraqi government the iraqi people or the americans1

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Eddie For you,the Dixie Chicks,movies stars ect.
"For those who've fought for it, freedom has a taste the protected will never know"

You know Eddie, believe it it or not there was a time not so long ago that this country survived with no welfare benefits and amazingly at the same time period homeless people were non existance. Hmm I wonder what has changed?

America at it lowest. Maybe we need a new leader who is courageous,honest and morale like before. Huh???
As iv'e told you many times before.
"Show me who you walk with and I'll tell you who you are."
Therefore I can only assume that if I was choosing a law firm it would not be in my best interest to send a female client nor think I could get an honest answer from you

Extra reading for those who opposed the war. Scary isn't it.

http://www.secularislam.org/humanrights/silent.htm
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
from USA Today this morning RE: Syria

Syria experts say Assad is under much more intense pressure now as a result of the pipeline closure -- which could cost Syria $1 billion a year -- and the U.S. willingness to confront governments that support terrorism. The United States could intensify economic pressure on Syria but is unlikely to invade.


''Syrians now fully understand America's wrath,'' said Murhaf Jouejati, a Syrian analyst at the Middle East Institute in Washington. ''There is a realization in Damascus that the situation has changed.''

Eddie: Does above mean the change is better for us or them. Hmmm I wonder. Spin that one!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[TheShrimp]

DTB -- How about that being extra reading for people who SUPPORT the war.

Saddam Hussein, who we just removed from power, was basically a secular muslim. That's why we supported him for so long against states like Iran.

It's Iran and the people who now have local power in Iraq who are NOT. Yes, the people taking power now -- the people we have enabled to take power -- are the non-secular muslims.

Scary, isn't it?

 

[StevieD]

DTB- That Azam Kamguian that you sent us to is quite an extremist. Here is another speech I dug up. But this one talks about an atrocity in Saudi Arabia. Do you suggest we attack them too? I am just wondering how far do you propose we take this war. And do you support Bush's decision to pull our military out of Saudia Arabia considering that was one of Bin Ladens demands?





"Religion Is Lethal
By Azam Kamguian

Mecca-Saudi Arabia: 15 girls were burnt to death because they
were unveiled
In Friday March 4, 15 pupils burnt to death in a girl's school in
Mecca, Saudi Arabia. Members of Mutawwia'n, the religious police
appeared at the main gate of the school and prevented 15 girls
escaping the blazing school building without the Islamic dress;
black clocks (Abaya) and head coverings that are mandatory for
Saudi girls and women. They intentionally obstructed the efforts
to evacuate the girls because they were unveiled. The religious
police even hindered the firemen and other people to save the
victims. This horrifying act is the natural outcome of the
misogynist ruling Islamic system in Saudi Arabia. This is yet
another indication of the anti human and sexist nature of
religions particularly Islam. This is the fruit of God's
commandment; oppression and dehumanization of women, and the rule
of sexual apartheid."
Institute for the Secularisation of Islamic Society/
http://www.secularislam.org/Default.htm

 

[dr. freeze]

filled the car up for 1.34/gallon yesterday

:bigun: :bigun: :bigun:

for anyone complaining about the cost of the war (purely on grounds of cost)....other reasons have some validity, but for those who want to complain about the cost of war inflicted on the American people it has no validity anymore -- after a couple months of lowered gas prices, we will more than make up for the $$

 

[StevieD]

Dr. Freeze, I am surprised by your last post. I thought you and Bush and Chaney and Rumsfeld were humanitarians!

 

[Turfgrass]

Friends, whether you like or hate how and why we got into this war, the fact is America ? you and I ? has assumed responsibility for rebuilding Iraq. We are talking about one of the biggest nation-building projects the U.S. has ever undertaken, the mother of all long hauls. We now have a 51st state of 23 million people. We just adopted a baby called Baghdad ? and this is no time for the parents to get a divorce. Because raising that baby, in the neighborhood it lives in, is going to be a mammoth task. If both Republicans and Democrats don't start looking clearly and honestly at what is evolving in Iraq, we're all going to be in trouble.

One senses, though, that liberals so detest Mr. Bush that they refuse to acknowledge the simple good that has come from ending Saddam's tyranny ? good for Iraqis and good for America, because it will inhibit other terrorist-supporting regimes. Have no doubt about that. If Democrats' whole analysis of this war is determined by whether or not it helps Mr. Bush, then they are never going to play the role they must play ? constructive critics of how we rebuild Iraq.

 

[StevieD]

Turfgrass, you pose a very interesting question. And an interesting thing is that it can be turned around and asked Why does the Right Wing hate everybody who disagrees with them. Why do they try to paint whoever considers running against the President a traidor as they have John Kerry when he suggested a Regime Change here. Of course he wants a regime change here. That is what free elections is all about!
I agree this country has to get together but the forces of the Right Wing Media has to come to terms that everybody who disagrees with the President is not a traidor.
We do have our hands full with Iraq and God only knows what else!
Those of us who disagree with Bush's policies and ideas do so not because we hate Bush but because we consider them wrong. In the end, we have to agree, that we all have the same goal, it is just that we disagree on what road to take us there.

 

[dr. freeze]

conservatives DO care about humanitarian issues.....but we also enjoy cheap gas as you should too....just saying i dont want to hear any more complaints about the cost of war as a huge decrease in gasoline prices due to stability in the region makes up for it-- even if in the worst case scenario it was only for a couple months.

 

[auspice]

to Dr. Freeze

Yes you humanitarians do care. So much so that 10 days ago in this forum you wanted to humanely drop an atomic bomb on them. Good grief Dr.......get a grip.....

 

[Eddie Haskell]

DJV: These numbers reflect Iraqi civilian dead and wounded. Hve nothing to do with both sides military casualties.

SixFive: Please save your "the US is oh, so, humanitarian" argument for the uneducated who post on this board. In the 225 or so years this country has been around there are numerous examples of how this country could have interveened in the foreign affairs of countries whose leaders made Sadaam look like Mother Teresa and did not do so. The US intervenes when it has an interest to do so.

In keeping with Derby week in the wonderful commonwealth of Kentucky, the balance of your post is more nonsensical dribble from one of the twin spires.

StevieD: Are we related? Pleasure reading posts by someone who has thought things threw and doesnt just offer knee-jerk, go-with-the-flow, responses. I couldn't agree more with your post.

Chanman: I'm first in light to fight for your right to say what you think (no matter how innane, sub-human, illogical, moronic, and downright stupid it may be). Wheres Ms. Elizabeth. God....... I mean........whatever bless.

AR182: Got the numbers out of Sundays Cincinnati Enquirer. Okay, so that in and of itself makes it suspect. My thought that it would be the Bush Administrations job to prove to me what, if any, percentage of these deaths are attributable to the alledged use of Iraqis as human shields by Hussein.

Regardless, there is no doubt that the bombs used to kill them were American. My point is the bombs shouldn't have been flyin in the first place. There shouldn't have been, love this phrase "....collateral damage....". You mean DEAD CIVILIANS.

It is my opinion that this unwarrented invasion will lead to more terroist attacks. I believe we have further polarized the radicals segments of Islam and the middle easterners. If the idea is that we will beat them into submission, then I think Messers. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld have cost many future American lives as well as the continuing erosion of American freedoms.

Trademaster: Agreed. Think Iraqi goverment will be one to walk a tightrope. Can't appear too pro-american or it will further alienate anti-american Islamic and middle eastern groups. Can't appear too pro-islamic or will get daisy cutter in front yard.

Ah Dogs.....the other half of the twin spires.....

Ya know something dogs......you compare this bought and sold, frat boy, who never did one thing on his own other than screw up the Texas Rangers, who dodged the draft, did ILLEGAL drugs, got into yale soley because of "daaahhhhhd", who conveniently finds the Lord, and lets some fellow psycho from South Dakota call all foreign policy shots while a Dr. Strangelove clone (no offense Time) runs the department of defense with his finger on the nuclear trigger.

Yeah dogs, I'll take a guy who lies about a blow job, yes, even under oath, over a two-faced, stupid, lying, murdering, bought and sold, puppet, answering to his fellow country club ceo's while selling the American people down the river any day of the week. The American public has historically elevated form over substance. This scumball who you consider "courageous, honorable and moral" is an out and out criminal.

Blow job or murderer. I'll take the sex guy. By the way, who do I stand behind? I'll tell you this doggie my boy, it aint the democrats. I have never seen a more spineless group of bought and sold lackeys who are afraid to stand up to our own form of American tyranny. I don't need to stand behind anyone dogs. I'll point out wrongs on both sides of the aisle. Problem is Bush's crimes of killing people seem a little more pressing to me than Clintons sex life.

Freeze: I'm sure the 1101 dead Iraqi civilians are glad you got such a deal on filling up your F-150.

Ed

 

[StevieD]

Eddie, once again you hit the nail on the head. I love the way they think we have to be Democraps because we don't happen to agree with the policies of Boy George and his Over The Hill Gang. I myself don't understand why the Dems don't stand up and fight. The arguments laid down by the administration are not very hard to beat. I think I am more disappointed in theDems then the Republicans. We knew Chaney was a crook and if anyone didn't think an attack an attack on Iraq was coming when Clinton assembled this group of bleeding heart petrolium salesman then they must of been asleep in 1991.
It is always a pleasure to read your posts.

 

[SixFive]

By the way, who do I stand behind? I'll tell you this doggie my boy, it aint the democrats. I have never seen a more spineless group of bought and sold lackeys who are afraid to stand up to our own form of American tyranny. I don't need to stand behind anyone dogs. I'll point out wrongs on both sides of the aisle.
Ed

Said it before and I'll say it again, just a bullshitter who has no solutions or original ideas. Idiot probably doesn't even vote. What the hell good does it do to bitch about it here if you have no solutions?? I'm sure u have a raging hard-on after that last post, though, since you took down 5 posters with your last bash/post. Hope you didn't cum in your pants before you finished typing.

 

[SixFive]

Where do u stand politically, stevied, ie, who did you vote for? Eddie always dodges that question, he is too busy bitching about everybody. I can respect a person who disagrees with me but not one who attacks me and calls me names, especially when I know he wouldn't do it if he were standing in the same room with me. Thanks.

 

[StevieD]

Sixfive, I voted for Nader as a protest against the two major parties. In my lifetime I do not see much difference in the two parties. A lot of rhetoric but one party is as bad as the other.

 

[Chanman]

This looks like a job for ferdville.

 

[AR182]

dr. freeze wrote:"filled the car up for 1.34/gallon yesterday".


that's very cheap. i'm paying close to $2.00 a gallon, still !

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

A regime got overthrown and 1,100 deaths seems to be too much. This is a country that has over 100,000 children under the age of 5 die each year and 45% of its population is under 14.

If the coalition sat on their hands, these death statistics would continue well into the 100 years. The Iraqi people soon will have a chance to carve their own future.

I know you spend most of your days championing the rights of an individual no matter how much damage that it inflicts on the population as a whole, but to think that 1,100 lives are too much to pay for being rid of a deadly oppressor makes no sense to me.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

65:

Did you go to law school? We were taught at the University of Frivolous Lawsuits School of Law that one of the best defensive tacts to take on behalf of your client is to label the other side what your client is and to go on the offensive. You are the master of that.

You couldn't and wouldn't know an original idea if it hit you over the head. You are too busy goose-stepping, getting in line, and conforming to the Chevrolet, mom, God, apple pie, Ozzie Nelson way of life to notice that it is you, my southern fried friend, that is incapable of having an original thought.

As you said, I said it before and I'll say it again, MY VIEW, so that you may remember it on our fearless leaders is that the system is broken. UNTIL CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM IS IN EFFECT, BOTH SIDES, WHEN THEY REACH LEADERSHIP POSITIONS IN THIS COUNTRY ARE SO BOUGHT AND SOLD THAT THE CANNOT BE, AS YOU WOULD SAY, MORAL, COURAGEOUS AND HONEST LEADERS. There, understand now you lame brain.

I can't remember if it was you or that other spire from your most lamest state that was supporting the Master Crook of them all, The Honorable Mitch McConnell. I think it was you. And wasnt it you who said, in support of one of the worst human beings ever to walk this planet, that he takes care of those who elected him. Sounds real moral, courageous and honest to me. Yeah we need more Mitch McConnels. Gotta keep the United States of Corporate America on top.

Then again your from the state that ranks somewhere between 48th and 50th in education. The content of your posts is beginning to support my position that you are a product of the wonderful educational system down there in the Commonwealth. Cum in my pants? Raging hard-on? Didn't we cover this before. No, that was fat daddy cool with the sexual issues. You guys related? Is he your cousin?

No, 65, I get a rise outta some half-brained, conforming billy like you responding to one of my posts by saying "I wanna hit you in the face." That is the type of response I would expect from someone of your limited acumen.

So I will allow you to have your chance. I've been advised that you can be found on any given night, after 11:00 PM (once that last pizza is delivered) at the racebook at Ellis Park in Henderson, Kentucky. You will be the gentleman driving the rusted, 1978 Ford Pinto bearing Kentucky license plate "Studman", standing in the corner of the race book, occasionally, looking through the garbage can for someones daily racing form.

I have further been advised that you will be wearing blue jeans, with a partially tucked in flannel shirt. You have a large beer belly. When you bend over, to pick up the half-smoked lucky strike cigarette butt from the floor of the race book, most of the pabst beer you have in that plastic cup will spill on the already sticky floor and the top crack of your rather skinny rear end will make an appearance much to the chagrin of the eight other patrons.

You will have a five-day beard. You will jump up and down with glee, screaming at the television monitor, clicking your fingers, (spilling the balance of the pbr on the floor) while watching the simulcast of the 10th race at Erie Downs after betting $2.00 to show on that 1 to 9 shot that just crossed the finish line ahead of the other 4 horses in the race. While standing in line to cash in that $2.10 ticket, you will boast to your fellows how you knew that pony was gonna do it today.

Yes, 65, I will come down to your stompin grounds one of these nights after 11:00 PM and introduce myself. I will give you the opportunity to hit me in the face. Once again, having an opportunity to see through your posts into your soul, you have helped me to get out of the bad mood I was in earlier. I see how lucky I am................ I could be you.

xxxooo
From your neighborin state,
Ed