Watch out college football.........

[Scott4USC]

OnaJ

Nice post and enjoyed reading it. You come across being intelligent although I strongly disagree with you.

Here is the problem with your post. I am not talking about Mike Williams in the NFL or comparing Mike Williams to other WR's in the draft. I am talking about Mike Williams productivity in COLLEGE FOOTBALL. I watch a lot of college football (ESPN GAMEPLAN) and I follow all the major conferences. Mike Williams hands down was the most dominating WR and I would also say most dominating player.

You should also read my post again explaining why Williams was not projected higher in the NFL draft. And remember, where your drafted in the NFL has no correlation to how well you will play in the NFL. Remember, Boldin hands down was the best WR and best rookie player last year and he was drafted in the 2nd round. His stock dropped for the same reasons Williams has. Big mistake by NFL scouts and I think they focus too much on #'s instead of football players.

Facts are facts, Williams has played 2 years of college football and has faced very tough opponents and he has never been shut down. I cannot say that about any of the other WR's who were drafted in the NFL. Again, you can be the best college player but an average pro player. College football and Pro Football are not the same. For example, option QB can dominate in college but fail in Pro's. (Crouch @ NU). There are no DB's in college football who can stop Mike Williams but "maybe" there are in the NFL. I do not know and I do not really care because I am interested in college football and that is what I was talking about.

The fact of the matter is that Fitzgerald and Roy Williams were both better and both played in FAR more physical conferences and faced much tougher defensive backs.

WRONG! :nono: Williams faced and excelled against superior competition and tougher environments. Remember, USC played the #1 SOS 2 years ago and USC played back to back BCS bowl games against teams who were considered to be one of the hottest teams in the country. Big 12 conference as a whole plays no defense and the Big East has some horrible teams in that conference. In addition, look at the OOC schedules of both Texas and Pitt. This was not an intelligent statement by you.

I think it's also funny that you are jocking Reggie Bush because he runs a 4.3 and you say no one can cover a receiver than runs a 4.3.

There are not many college football players who can run a "legit" 4.3 and of those who can run a 4.3 are nowhere near as talented/gifted as Reggie Bush. Remember, Bush is a RB who can become/turn into a WR. Either by running pass routes from backfield or going from the backfield and lining up as a WR. Who is trying to guard him? Usually a LB! How many LB's run a 4.3????

Lastly, you cannot really compare Williams to many college WR's because he is so unique and dominating. In addition, Williams has the freshman all time TD record and he has never been shut down in a game.

Please stop with the ridiculous USC talk. They are a good team and a good program but they could easily lose a few games next year. No doubt It is the best team in the PAC 10 but no team for the ages.

Wrong! :nono: USC is a great team and has a great program and I do not think USC can easily lose a few games next year. Remember, last year USC average win was by 21pts or more. This season USC returns an experience QB along with a better defense with depth. (USC dominanted with an inexperienced QB last year)

There is no team in the nation that USC could "easily" lose too, but there are a few teams that USC "could" lose too.

 

[OnaJ]

ScottUSC a few things,

First I did not mean to imply Bush is not a good player. My argument had nothing to do with that. It was more about how you say HIS 40 time is important but Mike Williams's isn't.

Also, if the most talented team won the National Title every year, then Miami of Florida would have won the last 5 National Championships. USC is loaded but that doesn't mean much in Spring ball or summer camp. They have to prove it on the field. They were loaded last year and slipped up.

Also, Anqaun Boldin was the best rookie in the NFL by default. Charles Rogers was hurt for almost the whole season and he is MUCH better than Mike Williams.

How about this, how about I give you the benefit of the doubt and say that Williams was the best WR in college football last year and this year.

but YOU have to admit that as good as Williams is, he is not in the same class as Charles Rogers. He is ery talented (Williams) but not quite in Rogers class.

If we can agree on that then I have no other issues to take up with you

Also when I said USC could easily lose a game or two, I didn't mean that "easy" for that. You are correct in saying USC could possibly run the table but a few challenges are there.

 

[Scott4USC]

but YOU have to admit that as good as Williams is, he is not in the same class as Charles Rogers. He is very talented (Williams) but not quite in Rogers class.

Why would you say this ridiculous statement? :shrug:

Rogers as a Junior had 68 receptions and 13 TD's.
Williams as a Sophomore had 95 receptions and 16 TD's!!!

Rogers as a Sophomore had 57 receptions and 12 TD's.
Williams as a FRESHMAN had 81 receptions and 14 TD's!!!!

So in the last 2 years of both players college careers, Williams has had 51 more receptions and 5 more touchdowns!!!

Oh we forgot to factor in that Williams sat almost every 4th quarter last year. USC won by average of 21+pts last season and Williams often was sitting on the bench in the 3rd and 4th quarters. Williams also did not start his freshman year and still had 95 receptions and 14 TD's. 2 years ago Williams was also sitting on the bench during the last 6-7 games as USC blew out every opponent as well.

Oh yeah, lets also factor in that Rogers got his numbers playing Eastern Michigan, Central Michigan and Rice. Very tough OOC opponents.

Oh yeah, Williams set an all time NCAA record for most TD catches for a freshman. Williams also has a BCS victory his Freshman year and a National Championship ring his Sophomore year.

Who is not in Rogers class? I think someone else is not in Williams class.

I don't just offer my opinion, I support it.

Lastly, I do not care where Rogers was drafted in the NFL or what numbers he produced in the NFL. I am talking about College Football and you should too so you would not make these ridiculous statements. Your bias against USC or Mike Williams clearly is affecting your judgment. :nono:

 

[OnaJ]

Scott, I will let you in on a secret. For eight years I was an assistant coach in Div.2 college FB. I have seen more than my share of football and been responsible for recruiting 3 states. I am not saying that to sound arrogant but just to dismiss your comment about "watching the game" and so on. I coached Tight Ends and assisted with the receivers. I have a good idea what to look for in a young kid trying to stand out as a college WR
Just like you don't need a stop watch to tell me Mike Williams is good, I don't need a college stat sheet to tell me Charles Rogers is a better player than Mike Williams.
I'm not sure if you went to USC or live there or what not but you are just not being realistic. There is a reason 3 receivers were picked ahead of where Williams was slotted to go. I notice you didn't address the Reggie Williams issue. Same 40 time. Same conference. And he went in the top 10.

I know you seem like a nice guy but you are so into numbers, stats, and computer rankings of schedules and things that I think you are failing to look at things on a level field.
I can show you tons of guys who had huge college numbers and never made it in the pros.
And who cares that Williams only played 3 quarters. I sure don't. As a coach, I always paid attention to my players and opponents statistics when the game was within 17 points. After a team leads by 20, stats mean nothing and it's all for personal egos and glory.

My honest opinion is that with you being on the West Coast I don't think you ever watched Charles Rogers play. He is possibly the best WR to come out of college football in 4 or 5 years. He is Mike Williams with better hands and better speed.

Again both players are excellent. Rogers is definitely better though.

What does Williams do better than Rogers?
:shrug: :shrug:

I like that you are passionate about USC FB and you are a good poster, but I just don't see anything Williams is better at.

 

[trump tight]

Look dude,

I read your posts - you really have way too much time on your hands to be putting this much into your "opinion" on whether or not usc is better than everyone else, or whether they'll play for the national championship, or who will win the heisman - in MAY NO LESS!

Your opinion matters, and that's why they provide this forum - I just think it should be turned off until August - but that's just me. (this forum should be turned off - not your opinion - but the latter isn't such a bad idea either)

I think you did quite a good job bashing just about all other programs/coaches/defenses/offenses/players. . . other than usc. That's why people take issue with your posts. YOU ARE BIASED! Most people are, but others on this site have the uncanny knack to present unbiased opinions, and not just the "Homer side of things"

Do I sense a tad of bitterness? Let me sum this up for you as an outsider looking in:

You're pissed that you DIDN'T play in THE national championship game last year -

You're pissed that your victory over a lack luster meechigan team got you nothing more than a rose bowl trophy - (THE national championship trophy - contrary to public opinion in southern california, there is only ONE - is in Baton Rouge)

And most of all . . . You're pissed that you're going to get overlooked again this year - it will happen. You're so mad about it, you've got to start lobbying people in May.

I have 3 words for you: Strength of Schedule. Wake up and smell the ROSES - AGAIN! Because that's likely where you'll be playing AGAIN - come january. Even if the Pac 10 has a reasonable year, which would surprise everyone in the country east of Barstow - that non conference schedule will get you nowhere. Until the Pac 10 sacks up and plays a championship game - the likelyhood of you getting to the REAL national championship game - is slim and none. . . and slim just left town.

 

[Avalanche]

Trump Tight, that was a good post by you. Scotty is very biased and a USC fanatic. If you try to challenge him on a post, he will cut and paste a long list of stuff "supporting" the PAC 10's "dominance" over a 2000-2003 period. Remember, he clings only to this decade, which is only 3 years old!

If I were a USC fan, I would simply be happy that Mike Williams might be coming back. I would never proclaim USC as the NC regardless of any player or combo of players. And you're right, minus a conference championship game, the only way a PAC 10 team will make it to the Orange Bowl is if they go undefeated...

SCOTT: When was the last time a PAC 10 team went undefeated in the conference?

SCOTT: When was the last time a PAC 10 __qualified__ for the real national championship game? (I think it was Washington in 1991)

SCOTT: When was the last time a PAC 10 team won the national championship? ANSWER: 1991 (Washington).

So much for the PAC 10 dominance. History is more than 3 years.

 

[Scott4USC]

OnaJ

You def. have a right and a case to think Rogers is a more talented WR than Williams. He might very well be. However, you said Williams is not in Rogers class, and that was plain stupid. Williams has outclassed Rogers statistically, and has NCAA record as WR. Also Williams made his team hell of a lot better than Rogers. (I know USC is more talented than MSU but Williams took USC to new level and that was against the #1 SOS)

I think maybe Rogers is more talented while Williams is more dominant. I think the only thing lacking for Williams is speed compared to Rogers. If I am a DB I would not want to go against a guy who is 6.5 230 pounds who runs a 4.5! Rogers is 6.2 200 pounds and I am not sure how fast he is.

I have seen Rogers play numerous times and the game that stood most out to me was MSU vs ND. Great game and he was amazing.

 

[Scott4USC]

Avalanche

Reason I bring up the last 3 years is because you downplay the Pac 10 conference which is stupid. I am not gonna bring up stats 10-20 years ago to show how strong of a conference the Pac 10 is now. Think before you write.

And you're right, minus a conference championship game, the only way a PAC 10 team will make it to the Orange Bowl is if they go undefeated...

WRONG! If Washington St. would have beat UW (gave up game winning drive end 4th quarter and starting QB did not play for WSU) USC would have easily surpassed LSU, or if ND or Hawaii did not tank at the end of the year. How about UCLA and Oregon St. both losing prior to playing USC? LSU was only .15 BCS pts ahead of USC and everything went against USC. I am never worried about USC BCS standings because if they had everything go against them last season and still was only .15 BCS pts short, USC is fine.

 

[Scott4USC]

trump tight

First let me say that at most it takes me 5-10min. to write a long post. Not too much time for me and I enjoy expressing my opinion. If you do not like it, don?t read my posts.

You say my opinions are biased and bla bla bla. I do not think you read my posts because if you did, you would see that I provide support behind all my opinions. Usually that support is facts. So therefore you cannot discredit my opinion. The posters who get fed up with my posts are those who hate reading the truth. In addition, these same posters cannot support their own opinion.

Why would I be pissed about USC winning a National Championship in what was suppose to be a rebuilding year? Why would I be pissed about USC beating Michigan when I won $9,000 on that game. Thanks to fans like you who belittle the Pac 10, I have been able to make a mint. Thank you and keep thinking the Pac 10 is a lesser conference. I will continue to rake in the profits when USC takes on OOC competition.

Then you talk about SOS. That is the last thing I have to worry about as a Trojan fan. USC last season had everything go against them, and I mean EVERYTHING, and USC was only .15 BCS pts away from winning a unanimous national championship. Nope, not worried at all because never again will everything go against USC in the BCS formula. In addition, they tweaked the BCS formula to differentiate between home/away victories. That will only help USC since USC is not afraid to play on the road.

Why would I be upset with the AP National Championship? Why would I be upset that majority of the country, press, media, coaches, etc. all publicly felt that USC was the best team in the nation last year. LSU won the BCS title because they were ahead in the BCS formula and the coaches were ?forced? to vote LSU. Kinda sad that people were forced to vote you #1. I am more than happy winning a split National Championship in what was suppose to be a rebuilding year.

I see that you are an OU fan. Too bad your program rejected USC?s offer to play this upcoming season. Both schools had open dates and OU wanted no part of USC. Maybe I don?t blame your program since OU has not fared well playing USC and Carroll has USC on top.

Lastly, USC is +250 to win the NC which is very very small odds compared to the other elite programs. USC is a unanimous favorites. Funny thing is these odds are without Mike Williams. Guess what, today Williams is petitioning the NCAA for reinstatement. He def. wants to come back and I think the NCAA will let him back with open arms. Back 2 Back National Championships! 3 Legitimate Heisman Trophy Candidates! CHA CHING!!!!

 

[Avalanche]

First of all, Scott, USC was .15 pts away from POTENTIALLY winning a unanimous NC. There's an opponent in the NC game last time I checked!?!?!?!

Lets say you made it in there last year (of course that's hypothetical since they DIDN't make it):

USC vs Oklahoma in New Orleans

vs

USC vs LSU in New Orleans

vs

USC vs Michigan in Pasadena

What's tougher? PLEASE, PLEASE say USC vs Michigan. That's what you want to say, but if you actually say it, you'll get blasted on this board even more.

You say I'm "stupid" for downplaying the PAC 10. I don't care how good they've been (USC and WSU basically are the good teams the last 3 years) for a 3 year period. The PAC 10 is not a joke, but it is a lame and inferior conference when compared to real major power conferences like the SEC and Big 12. You, on the other hand, are actually the "stupid" one for trying to tout the PAC 10 as so dominant. Any reason why you dont want to post numbers from more than 3 years ago?????????? No mention of the truth, which is the PAC 10 hasn't won a NC since 1991. You just don't want to go there, huh???

Think before you type.

 

[Scott4USC]

Avalanche

All you do is offer your opinion but you have no support behind it. I give my opinion and back it up with support (usually hard core facts). Your opinion is just that, opinion. It is funny that the numbers support my claim, and well, you have NOTHING to support your claim.

Let me educate you. When you talk about conferences, your talking about the whole conference. NC teams from each conference holds very little weight in determining how strong a conference is. Put the Patriots in the Sun Belt conference and your going to claim Sun Belt the toughest conference?

When determining which conferences are elite, you should look at the whole conference. When you want to determine which conferences are elite now, you should look at data from this decade. Not 10-20 years ago.

Thanks for calling me stupid for sharing my opinion and offering detailed support behind it. 90% of my support are hard core facts. You cannot dispute facts and the facts support my opinion. But thanks for calling me stupid.

Lastly, why do you hype the Big 12 so much as a conference? That was clearly the most disapointing conference last season. VERY DISAPOINTING. No defense was played, the 2 elite teams were beaten in bowl games. Big 12 did not do well in Bowl seasons. The conference was weak from top to bottom last season and OU benefited from that. It was clearly a joke. The top 3 conferences last season were #1) ACC, #2) SEC, #3) Pac10/Big 10

To answer your question about UM, LSU and OU, I watched the BCS championship game and was not impressed by both teams. It was very sloppy game and elite teams should not have played that way. Michigan vs USC in the Rose Bowl was a much better played game and both teams looked like elite teams.

If I was USC I was hoping to face LSU and I was already set to lay around $10,000 (my account) on USC. I had it all capped and that was the team I wanted to face weeks prior to the final BCS standings. If USC played OU I would not have laid $10,000 on USC, since USC would have been -7 pts I think. I got USC -6 vs Michigan and laid the 10k.

Only reason I was not so confident with OU was because OU has a decent/great passing attack and last season USC DB's were average at best (only 1 great DB) and freshman safety. I prob. would have bet $1000 on USC ML and take the sure thing.

LSU was my dream matchup because they had no offense and their strength was running and USC was #1 against the run and awesome pass rush defense. No worries there and USC would score at least 20pts on LSU defense, which should be more than enough to win. LSU struggled against OLE MISS late in the season and needed to missed field goals from OLE MISS to win that game. THat did not impress me at all. Chow would beat the LSU defense and get 20+ pts in my opinion. If LSU somehow was able to get pass rush on Leinart (inmobile qb but great pass blocking OL) Chow would just do 3 step drops where it is virtually impossible to sack the QB.

I think Michigan was the best team of LSU, OU because they were a complete team. They unfortunately did not have a good enough offense to compete with USC explosive offense. I was very impressed with Michigan and they were one of the hottest teams in the country at the end of the year. Remember, one of Michigans losses was against Oregon @ Oregon, they were not afraid to travel, LSU doesn't travel.

As for OU, I have lost complete trust in Stoops and that program. The Big 12 does not impress me at all and their OOC schedule is a joke. OU was completely outcoached and the team was not prepared to play good fundamental football. IN addition, the QB for OU is poorly coached and cannot even check off WR's. He had open WR's during the game but failed to deliver the ball under pressure. Leinart under CHow looks off WR's and this was his 1st year starting. The OC for OU never adjusted to LSU pressure defense. No gameplan at all. I held Stoops to a very high regard but now I question him as big time coach. Look what USC did with a brand new QB and backfield last year? Carroll and Chow coach and make adjustments PLUS always have their team playing its best football at the end of year. In the last 3 years, USC has only lost 1 game in the 2nd half the year including 2 BCS BOWL VICTORIES!

 

[Avalanche]

So you indeed are claiming that USC vs Michigan was the toughest game for USC? That is a complete JOKE. Facing MIchigan in the Rose Bowl would be tougher than playing LSU or OU in New Orleans? please.....

Questioning Stoops as a "big game coach" huh? He's 12-2 against the top 10 at Oklahoma with two national title game appearances since 2000. OU has been to BCS Bowls 3 of the last 4 years and is 2-1 in those games with 1 national title. OU's QB White was the Heisman winner... got hurt against KSU and the wrist wasnt healed by the Sugar Bowl either. OU lost 21-14 less than 100 miles away from Baton Rouge. Do you think that guy would've won the Heisman if he couldn't find his 3rd and 4th WRs?

OU's OOC schedule is pretty weak. I'll give you that. They did play at Alabama last year for Bama's home opener. This year they don't play a single game away from Norman. Fortunately for any power Big 12 or SEC team, their conference schedule gives them all the SOS they need. That's why Pac 10 teams have to schedule tougher OOC games. The Pac 10 schedule isn't exactly a toughie.

 

[LEROY TIREBITER]

There is no sense in arguing with this homer, he has nothing
more to do than argue a senseless point, USC has been zilch
for what must seem like forever for scott, look at who has made
the top 10 the last 15 years and you'll see USC has been a
disgrace, He knows it, that's why he keeps harping on the
present. The present is fine and dandy, but the folks in the
SEC, Big 12, Big Ten, ACC, Big East, ETC> who if USC played
in those conferences would get their asses handed to them,
know better. Pay this dolt no mind. Let him swim in his own
sh$t till the big bad Rubbers have to play somebody.

 

[Scott4USC]

Avalanche

I think USC would match up very well against LSU. LSU would have had home field advantage but USC in the last 2 years has played in many many tough road environments. Wouldn't affect the team that much. OU could have presented a problem since they "supposedly" had a great passing attack and USC pass defense was average. LSU wouldn't score more than 10pts against USC and I do not think LSU defense would stop USC from scoring over 20. Just my opinion. Michigan was one of the hottest teams in the country and there offense was very explosive. Great passing/rushing team and Michigan's defense was very solid. Did you watch the Rose Bowl and BCS NC game? No contest, Rose Bowl was much better played game.

As for Stoops, I think I might have been a little harsh. No doubt in my mind Stoops has the best resume of all college head coaches. However I think Carroll and Tressel are very close in terms of a resume.

I lost a lot of faith in Stoops after last season. OU was very very poorly coached/prepared in the BCS NC game. They committed a lot of penalties AND a lot of stupid penalties. The offensive gameplan was very poor and OU made very little offensive adjustments during the game. I also feel White is a poorly coached QB or maybe he is not coachable. Another thing was OU had many miss tackles. Not sharp fundamentally at all. Maybe at USC we hold our coaches or team more accountable, I am not sure. I think a coach should be held accountable to have his "team" playing its best ball at the end of the season. Something Stoops failed to do last year. Also, Stoops in my opinion is very classless from what I have seen in post game comments and actions on the field.

Fortunately for any power Big 12 or SEC team, their conference schedule gives them all the SOS they need.

Are you sure about that? USC final BCS SOS was #37, and as you are well aware, EVERYTHING went against USC in terms of hurting USC SOS. You cannot disagree with me here. Now the SEC was a strong conference last season, correct? I think majority think so, even I do. Here are the following top 5 SEC teams and there final BCS SOS. LSU #29, Tennessee #46, UGA #18, FL #5, Ole Miss #70. That is an average SOS of 33 while USC had SOS #37 and EVERYTHING went against USC which IMO will never happen again! I think USC in the last 5-10 years has had an average SOS ranked in top 10.

LEROY TIREBITER
Nice intelligent post. Thanks for the laugh. :lol:

 

[trump tight]

Leroy your're right. I'm Sorry that I fell into this mousekateers trap.

I see your mouth moving - but there are no words coming out of your mouth.

Blah Blah Blah - usc - blah blah blah - woulda won national championship - blah blah blah - I'm happy with phantom national championship - blah blah blah - you don't need a trophy to crown yourself a national champion - blah blah blah. We'll just anoint ourselves National Champion - blah blah blah.

"Stoops - classless"? What? "Actions on the field" ? WHAT?!?He is nothing but an honest coach, and speaks his mind, and isn't afraid to call it like he sees it. He has laid his ass on the line the last 3 years respectively stating that "this team is the best team that I've coached since I've been here". That takes a lot of cajonees to put that much pressure on HIMSELF, and his coaching staff. He doesn't pull a Lou Holtz and hem and haw about how he doesn't know if they'll win 3 games this year. That kind of crap is classless. He's a straight shooter, and IS accountable. I'd much rather have Stoops coaching my team than any other coach out there right now, and that includes all of the other nfl flunkies. Yes they're good coaches - but I'll stick with the hand we were dealt.

I'll address a couple of your comments, and then let you come in and sweep up with your last word. I'm done with you until football season starts. Glad to hear you won money - that's what this is for - but I think that with your blind allegiance that trend might not continue.

As for the hollow challenge to "we'll play either one of those teams next year at the beginning of the year to decide this". You and I both know that those schedules are made several years in advance, and are being worked on by the AD's - usc happened to have an opening, and carole popped off with the challenge knowing that neither team would or could take him up on the offer. None the less they had nothing to gain from doing it - they had both played 1 more CHAMPIONSHIP game before the BCS CHAMPIONSHIP game - and done what they had to do. usc DIDN'T. They lost to a team they should've beaten, or all of this wouldn't be necessary. With the strength of the Big XII and the SEC - you can only really afford to put one "Large Conference" team on your out of conference schedule. Unlike any other conference in the league, remember, they play a CHAMPIONSHIP game at the end of the season as well. It's not our fault that UCLA and Fresno State were down those years. Those schedules were made when David Carr was at Fresno State, and when Cade McNown was at UCLA. To have them both on the schedule at the same time . . . as Alabama - another team that ran into problems after we made the schedule - that is a pretty strong schedule to come out of the gates with.

You speak about our team being poorly coached - as you probably don't remember, we lost our defensive coordinator to Arizona before the Big XII Championship game. Yes he was there, but he had taken 2 trips to Arizona in between our last game and the championship game. He wasn't there for THE National Championship game. I'm not going to make excuses for them. LSU was the better team that day, but they just about got caught themselves. That was a huge distraction, and always is for teams that lose coaches. Case in point: 2000 Florida State loses Richt to GA before the Orange Bowl, and OU works them over to win their 7th National Title.

You speak about them not making adjustments? Aside from the interception run back for the touchdown on the first series of the 3rd quarter - Vincent had 1 yard in the 2nd half, and LSU didn't score. It is a well known fact that LSU's defense was one of the best, and best disguised - much like a pro style defense. Again - not making excuses - they were just better that day.

The way the BCS is set up - the best two teams played for THE National Championship - & will play again this year.

90% of your posts are would've and could've - it's all speculative. That's why you have so many fans scotty. Have all of your friends told you to go away, and spit that propaganda somewhere else?


Jason White: "not coachable" ? What? Are you serious - This is the most rediculious statement you've made - and you've made many. He was hurt in the Big XII Championship game, and broke his toe in THE National Championship game, and had partial cartilidge tear in his knee in that game as well. This is a kid that came back from an ACL tear on EACH knee. I tore my ACL back in college, and it's still not right. Do you have any idea what it takes to come back from something like that? Probably not. Do you have any idea what it takes to come back from something like that - TWICE! I know you don't. When you make a statement like that, your ignorance shines through - If you want any kind of credibility - stuff this crap back where it came from, and try to see the other side of the coin once in a while. Being a biased fan is one thing, but you have gone off of the deep end. By the way - it doesn't make you a good fan - it makes you a homer - no one likes a homer.

 

[trump tight]

Sorry. . . I couldn't resist just one more point -

If USC played OU I would not have laid $10,000 on USC, since USC would have been -7 pts I think. I got USC -6 vs Michigan and laid the 10k.

This shows your total lack of knowledge of how spreads are made, and oh my gosh - your capping ability - stating that usc would've been favored over OU in the sugar bowl? Are you serious?!? I assume you made a mistake on this, and assume that usc would've been a 7 point dog. OU was a 5.5 point - 7 point favorite. . . IN LOUISIANA! What in that mind of yours thinks that IF OU and usc played in the Sugar Bowl - that usc would be favored, and by seven (7) points no less?????!!!!?????

I don't call people out on this, but to say that you've put 10 g's on a game, and to do it, are two totally different things all together. I did have that much on that game, actually more and know what it's like to LOSE that kind of money. And to this day - remind myself of that - to not make those kinds of decisions. I don't respect you any more because you say you laid out (insert dollar amount here). Most gamblers on this site don't even speak in those terms. Someone that does that - is likely trying to build a reputation for themselves. IMHO - you're trying too hard. Best of luck in your gambling in the future - don't bet more than you can afford to lose -

 

[Avalanche]

Looks like several of us are sucked in. It's the best we can get this time of year I guess... arguing with this guy just because we wiish we had 2004 CFB to talk about.

Lets not forget OU owned the 4th quarter. They had a red zone chance to tie the game with about 2 mins left. I know, just a chance, and now I'm sounding like Scott4USC w/ the would'ves and could'ves, but yes penalties killed OU esp in first half. Defense by both LSU and OU was way better than USC-Michigan. No comparison.

Stoops is 7-5 (1999), 13-0 (2000), 11-2 (2001), 12-2 (2002), and 12-2 (2003) at OU: 55-11

Still, LSU deserved to win that day. They covered OUs WRs like a glove

 

[Scott4USC]

trump tight

The way the BCS is set up - the best two teams played for THE National Championship - & will play again this year.

First off I have to disagree with you and majority of fans will too. The 2 best teams did not play in the BCS NC game according to national media etc.... I guess you let a computer system tell you who are the best teams. I don't and most of the nation doesn't either.

I like Jason Whites story and respect him a lot. I do not think he is a great QB. Is that a reflection on him or coaching? The guy does not check off his WR's. He also forces the ball too often. He makes poor decisions. White got away with it during the season due to the lack of quality of defenses in the Big 12 conference.

The adjustments I was mainly talking about offensive adjustments. Your OC is not very good at making adjustments. Maybe I am spoiled with Norm Chow at USC. I also think you brought up a good point about your DC and I think it did hurt somewhat. But that takes nothing away from the stupid and costly penalties OU committed. Direct reflection on your coaching staff.

As for USC wanting to play OU. OU simply wanted NO PART of USC. USC had 2 open dates this upcoming season and OU also had 2 open dates. BOTH schools had to get teams to fill both open dates. USC asked Miami (they said no way), USC asked Michigan (they said no way) USC asked OU (they said no way). So please, USC wants to play supposedly the best and nobody wants a part of them. V-Tech and Colorado St. stepped up to the plate.

With the strength of the Big XII and the SEC - you can only really afford to put one "Large Conference" team on your out of conference schedule.

That is simply not true. Big 12 was not good at all last season and you don't even play all the teams in the conference anyways. In addition there are many teams in the Big 12 who are quite pathetic. Not a strong conference top to bottom and a poorly played defensive conference. Big 12 was clearly the 5th best conference last season. Very down year.

It's not our fault that UCLA and Fresno State were down those years. Those schedules were made when David Carr was at Fresno State, and when Cade McNown was at UCLA. To have them both on the schedule at the same time . . . as Alabama - another team that ran into problems after we made the schedule - that is a pretty strong schedule to come out of the gates with.

OU is pathetic. They contacted UCLA prior to last season and did not want to play them. They publicly said their (OU) schedule was too tough and offered to buy UCLA out or re-schedule the game. UCLA said no way. You must be so proud! Give me a break, OU wants and will take the easiest route possible to a National Championship. They are playing by the rules, but I don't understand how your fans tolerate playing sub-par OOC competition. As a USC fan I get to see my team battle it out against tough competition. It amazes me how fans across the nation support their powerhouse teams playing/destroying div. 2 opponents. That def. will never happen at USC.

However, I thought OU's OOC schedule last season was fine. No problems with it and like you said, the teams did not play to expectations (just like USC OOC schedule last year). OU's OOC schedule this upcoming season is pathetic. OU vs USC would have been a great game. Too bad OU is afraid if they lose to USC they won't make the NC game. USC thinks they are the best so they are not afraid to lose. USC chooses and takes great pride in not going for the easy route to a NC.

 

[Avalanche]

Uhhhhhh Scott, USC takes the easy route to maybe someday qualifying for the NC game by playing in the PAC 10 conference.

Hey someday maybe USC will actually get there. They haven't been since 1981 when Marcus Allen was there I believe.

Oh, by the way, the Pac 10 doesn't play every team in its conference every year either. Where was Oregon on USC's schedule last year?

I could have sworn the Ducks were in the Pac 10.

 

[wareagle]

scott u said LSUs offense would have been lucky to score 10 pts on USC D....You may be right, but lsu's defense would have 7-14 points on USC


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