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Epic and controversial last lap here last year with Kyle spinning out with the lead and Keselowski and Ambrose banging doors all the way to the finish.

Pretty much expect the usual suspects to run well this weekend. No surprise here as Ambrose will be the favorite. Probably at +350 or so. He's raced here 5 times with his worst finish being 3rd and he's won here the last 2 races. Keselowski has finished 2nd here the last 2 races behind Ambrose. Jeff Gordon has won more road races than anyone and Stewart has quite a few road course wins himself. However Gordon's average finish in his last 5 Glen races is 22nd. That does include though a spin out last year while running 9th (finished 21st) and a costly spin out on the last lap a few years ago while leading, so don't read too much into that average. He hasn't won here since I think 2001 but the speed seems to be back in that car. Fast in Pocono. 3 top 10's in his last 4 overall races.

Stewart's last 5 average finishes here is 11.2 including a win and a 2nd. He finished 27th the last 2 years here but he's very good at the Glen. Also running well lately with 3 top 10's in his last 4 overall races and 5 wins at Watkins Glen.

I really liked what I heard out of Juan Montoya when he sat in last friday on The Morning Drive. He was supremely confident in his car for the Glen. They tested Road Atlanta recently and they were running 2nd at Sonoma when he ran out of fuel at the end of the race. I don't know if he would've caught Truex Jr. but it was still a solid run nevertheless. He said he expects them to be stellar (he used that word) at Watkins Glen based on their test and how well he ran in Sonoma. Montoya won here in 2010

In Kyle Busch's last 5 races here he's averaged a 4.4 starting position and a 4.6 finishing position. And remember he was running first last year on the last lap when he spun out (controversial oil on the track that a lot of driver's claimed had come out of the 47 car when he blew an engine a lap or so earlier). He will be a factor this weekend. I will be playing Kyle.

Another guy who I expect to be strong this weekend is Kurt Busch. It's hard to gauge what his opening odds are going to be because he doesn't have the best finishing average here. But last year he wasn't in a good ride. 3 years ago with Penske he finished 2nd. They tested here after Indy which I think will be big for that team. This team has been fast all year, this team finished 9th last year with Regan Smith, and Kurt has really excelled at Sonoma and loves the road courses. I think he'll be a major factor in that 78 car this weekend and I'm hoping he has some decent odds. I'm thinking Ambrose, Juan, Tony, Keselowski, Gordon and Kyle will all be favored above him so his odds could be pretty nice. Maybe like +1200 or even +1500 or something, I'll jump on that if it comes out.

Obviously Brad has run real well here the last 2 years so I'd factor him in as well. Like I said he finished 2nd the last 2 years and damn near won last year.

One total sleeper this weekend will be AJ Allmendinger in the 47 car. He also tested here a few weeks ago. He's run here 4 times and has finishes of 8, 4, 13 and 11. He won the nationwide road course race earlier this year at Road America. Granted that was with Penske and it was nationwide and honestly I don't think that he's going to have the car to do it in the 47, but something to consider if the odds are long, which they probably will be. The 47 is the car Ambrose drove to a 2 and 3rd place finish in 2009 and 2010 so it has shown speed in this race in the past.

20 of the 30 Glen cup races have been won from the top 5 starting positions, including 9 from the pole.

On that note, Jimmie Johnson's average start in his last 9 races at the Glen is 4th, including 2 poles. He finished 3rd last year. He has 6 top 10's in his 11 races here, including 3rd twice. This for a guy not exactly known for his road racing ability early in his career. He's since won at Sonoma. The guy conquers all his weak points. Remember when he was just awful at Bristol, he's since won there. It's not a matter of if he wins at Watkins Glen but more likely a matter of when. He's been lightning fast all year, head and shoulders above the competition in my opinion. Very impressed with his bounce back last week after blowing a tire to finish 13th and actually pad his enormous lead in the point standings. If it's even possible for him to be overlooked, this will be the weekend where it happens. Might be some serious value in JJ considering he's the favorite just about every race but he won't be for this one. Food for thought.

The guys I'm really looking hard at this weekend will be Montoya, Kyle and Kurt and I'm sure I'll take a shot at Jimmy if his odds are decent. Ambrose will be a factor but his odds will suck. He probably should've finished 3rd last year and not won, and he wasn't as strong as expected at Sonoma this year.
 
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NASCAR Picks for Watkins Glen

NASCAR Picks for Watkins Glen

NASCAR Picks for Watkins Glen

by Brian Polking, Monday, August 5, 2013 10:45:02 AM CDT FFToolbox.com


Track Info:
Length: 2.450 miles
Shape: Road Course
Type: Road Course
Location: Watkins Glen, New York
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For the second and final time in 2013, the Sprint Cup Series will visit a road course this weekend. Watkins Glen International is the site of Sunday's Cheez-It 355 at The Glen, and the seven-turn, 2.45-mile road course has produced its share of epic battles, including last year's unforgettable duel between Marcos Ambrose and Brad Keselowski that saw the two drivers exchange the lead several times during the final lap on an oil-soaked track. In general, Watkins Glen tends to be the more violent of the two road courses because of several snaking stretches that allow drivers to build up some serious speed heading into the track's challenging combination corners. Not to mention the fact that the bumping and banging that goes on at Sonoma still goes on at Watkins Glen, only at higher speeds. Granted, the traditional road course aces have excelled for the most part at The Glen, but many of the top road course drivers have had a poor outing or two at the track. Owners that take time to assemble a solid road course lineup should have a strong day, but just keep in mind that the chances of things going sour are a little bit better than they were a few months ago at Sonoma.

1. Marcos Ambrose, #9 Stanley/Dewalt Power Tools, Richard Petty Motorsports [Yahoo Class B]

His numbers at Watkins Glen are nothing short of ridiculous. He has compiled a 2.0 average finish in five starts at the track, and he has never finished worse than third. More importantly, he has won back-to-back races at the road course. If you play in a survivor-type league and haven't used Ambrose yet, this is the week to do so.

2. Tony Stewart, #14 Bass Pro Shops/Mobil 1, Stewart-Haas Racing [Yahoo Class A]

Although he spun out battling for the lead at Watkins Glen last year, Stewart has done his fair share of dominating at the track. In fact, his five wins at the road course are the most all-time. In 10 starts at Watkins Glen, Stewart has finished seventh or better 10 times, and his 7.9 average finish is the second best in the series.

3. Kyle Busch, #18 Mars Brands/Interstate Batteries, Joe Gibbs Racing [Yahoo Class B]

Despite being known for his checkers or wreckers attitude, Busch has been surprisingly consistent at Watkins Glen. He has finished in the top 10 in his last seven starts at the track, giving him the longest active streak of top-10s of any driver. During the streak, Busch has one win and has compiled a 5.7 average finish.

4. Jimmie Johnson, #48 Lowe's/Kobalt Tools, Hendrick Motorsports [Yahoo Class A]

While Watkins Glen is one of the few tracks where Johnson has never won, he has been putting up strong numbers recently. He has five top-12 finishes in his last six starts at the track, and he has finished as high as third on two occasions, including last year. He may not win Sunday, but Johnson is still one of the safest bets to deliver a top-five finish.

5. Juan Montoya, #42 Target, Earnhardt Ganassi Racing [Yahoo Class B]

In six starts at Watkins Glen, Montoya has four top-seven finishes sandwiched between a pair of wrecks. Montoya is also a two-time road course winner with one of the victories coming at The Glen in 2010. He actually ran out of gas while running second on the final lap at Sonoma earlier this year, but there is no denying that Montoya has top-five potential whenever he shows up at a road course.

6. Brad Keselowski, #2 Miller Lite, Penske Racing [Yahoo Class A]

Keselowski came out on the losing end of an incredible duel with Marcos Ambrose on the final lap at Watkins Glen last year, but he is starting to make a habit of finishing near the front at the road course. He has an 8.0 average finish in three starts at The Glen, and Keselowski has been the runner-up at the track in each of the last two races there.

7. Kurt Busch, #78 Furniture Row, Furniture Row Racing [Yahoo Class B]

His strong runs at road courses in recent years have helped revive his career to a degree, and Busch should continue to deliver great results for fantasy owners this weekend. After all, he has finished 11th or better in four of his last six starts at Watkins Glen and finished second in the 2010 event. Busch also recovered from a pair of speeding penalties to finish fourth at Sonoma earlier this year, so there is no denying his ability to get around at the road courses.

8. A.J. Allmendinger, #51 Phoenix Construction, Phoenix Racing [Yahoo Class C]

Fantasy owners looking for a sleeper this weekend don't have to look any further than Allmendinger. His 9.0 average finish at Watkins Glen is actually the fourth best among active drivers, and in four starts, he has never finished outside the top 10. Meanwhile, Allmendinger has finished eighth or better in his last two starts at the road course.

9. Carl Edwards, #99 Fastenal/Aflac/UPS/Subway, Roush Fenway Racing [Yahoo Class B]

Although he has never won a road course race in the Cup Series, Edwards has been very reliable at Watkins Glen. He has never finished outside the top 20 in eight career starts at the track, and he has finished inside the top 15 in his last seven starts. Edwards owns a 9.4 average finish at The Glen, and he is a safe bet to finish in or around the top-10 this weekend.

10. Jeff Gordon, #24 Drive to End Hunger/Axalta, Hendrick Motorsports [Yahoo Class A]

Despite being a four-time winner at Watkins Glen and a nine-time road course winner at the Cup level, he has been average at The Glen recently. Since his last win at the track in 2001, Gordon has managed just two top-10s in 11 starts and doesn't have a single top-five during the stretch. His overall road racing numbers are too good to write him off completely, but fantasy owners should consider him more of a high-upside pick rather than a sure thing.

11. Martin Truex, Jr., #56 NAPA Auto Parts, Michael Waltrip Racing [Yahoo Class B]

Truex is trying for a season sweep of the road course events, and considering he has traditionally been better at Watkins Glen, he just might pull it off. In seven starts at the track, he has logged five top-15 finishes, including three straight. Truex also has back-to-back top-10s at The Glen and has three finishes of sixth or better overall.

12. Kevin Harvick, #29 Budweiser/Rheem, Richard Childress Racing [Yahoo Class A]

He won at Watkins Glen in 2006, and Harvick has always been one of the more consistent performers at the road course. In 12 starts at The Glen, he has finished in the top 15 on 10 occasions, including three straight. Harvick has also finished seventh or better six times at the track.
 

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13. Matt Kenseth, #20 Husky/Dollar General, Joe Gibbs Racing [Yahoo Class A]

Kenseth isn't known as a road racer, and he has actually never finished in the top five at Watkins Glen. However, he has finished in the top 15 in his last six starts at the track, and his eighth-place run last year tied his career best at The Glen. Fantasy owners should still save Kenseth for another week in Yahoo! leagues, but don't be surprised if he sneaks into the top 10.
14. Clint Bowyer, #15 5-Hour Energy, Michael Waltrip Racing [Yahoo Class A]

While Sonoma has typically been his stronger road course, Bowyer has been solid at Watkins Glen as well. He has a 15.6 average finish at the track for his career, and he has been even better recently. Bowyer has finished 11th or better in three of his last four starts at the road course, including a career-best fourth-place run last year.

15. Ryan Newman, #39 Quicken Loans/Haas Automation, Stewart-Haas Racing [Yahoo Class B]

In his first career start at Watkins Glen, Newman managed to finish second despite losing power steering. However, he has not finished in the top five in his 10 starts at the track since and hasn't had a top-10 in his last six starts. Granted, he has finished 16th or better in his last three starts at The Glen, but Newman is probably a top-15 option at best.

16. Brian Vickers, #55 Aaron's Dream Machine, Michael Waltrip Racing [Yahoo Class B]

A blown engine in the opening laps at Watkins Glen last year prevented Vickers from getting a chance to show his stuff at the road course. However, he has been stout at Sonoma in each of the past two seasons, finishing fourth and 13th. Vickers usually delivers at least a top-15 finish when he takes his turn in the Michael Waltrip Racing No. 55, and it should be more of the same this weekend.

17. Greg Biffle, #16 3M/Bondo, Roush Fenway Racing [Yahoo Class B]

Biffle has had several strong runs at Watkins Glen in recent years, but he also offers fantasy owners almost no middle ground. He finished sixth at the road course last year and has three top-10s in his last six starts. However, Biffle has failed to crack the top 20 in his other seven starts at The Glen. He is the definition of a boom or bust pick.

18. Kasey Kahne, #5 Farmers Insurance/Quaker State, Hendrick Motorsports [Yahoo Class A]

He may be coming off a win at Pocono, but momentum alone won't be enough to help Kahne at Watkins Glen. In nine starts at the road course, he has never managed to crack the top 10. Kahne does have six top-20s at the track, but fantasy owners have come to expect a lot more out of him and can get a lot more out of him by saving him for a different week.

19. Joey Logano, #22 Shell-Pennzoil, Penske Racing [Yahoo Class B]

Although he has finished outside the top 15 in three of his four starts at Watkins Glen, Logano has shown some potential on the road courses in his young career. He has finished 11th or better in three straight starts at Sonoma, and he has finished as high as fifth at The Glen. Logano isn't the safest pick this weekend, but he does have top-10 potential for those willing to gamble a bit.

20. Denny Hamlin, #11 FedEx, Joe Gibbs Racing [Yahoo Class A]

Since opening his career with four straight top-10s at Watkins Glen, Hamlin has had horrible luck at the track. He has finished outside the top 30 in three straight starts, compiling a 36.3 average finish during the stretch. Yes, Hamlin has potential this weekend, but given his recent luck both at The Glen and in general, the risk probably outweighs the reward in most formats.

21. Dale Earnhardt, Jr., #88 National Guard/Diet Mountain Dew, Hendrick Motorsports [Yahoo Class B]

Early in his career, Junior actually managed to string together some solid finishes at Watkins Glen. The success had disappeared lately, and he has failed to crack the top 10 in his last seven starts at the track. Worse yet, Junior has only managed one top-15 finish in the last seven races at The Glen.

22. Jamie McMurray, #1 McDonald's/Cessna, Earnhardt Ganassi Racing [Yahoo Class B]

In 10 starts at Watkins Glen, McMurray has only managed two top-10s in between several poor outings. He has been particularly bad at the road course recently, finishing outside the top 15 in five of his last six starts at the track. During the stretch, he has finished outside the top 30 on three occasions.

23. Jeff Burton, #31 Caterpillar/Cheerios, Richard Childress Racing [Yahoo Class B]

Although Burton actually finished ninth at Watkins Glen in both 2010 and 2011, his career numbers tell the true tale of his road racing ability. He has a 21.1 average finish in 19 starts at the track and has only cracked the top 10 on five occasions. Meanwhile, Burton followed up the back-to-back top-10s with a 30th-place effort at the track last season, and fantasy owners shouldn't expect much more than a top-20 this weekend.

24. Casey Mears, #13 GEICO, Germain Racing [Yahoo Class C]

Fantasy owners looking for a serious sleeper that can get the job done this weekend need to strongly consider Mears. After all, he has five straight top-20 finishes at Watkins Glen, including a 16th-place run last year. In survivor-style leagues, this could be a good chance to use Mears.
 

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25. Paul Menard, #27 Menards, Richard Childress Racing [Yahoo Class B]

His numbers at Watkins Glen don't exactly inspire a lot of confidence. In nine starts at the road course, he has a 23.4 average finish and has never finished in the top 10. Menard did notch his first top-15 at the track last season, but he needs to deliver a couple more decent finishes before he deserves serious consideration from fantasy owners.
26. Aric Almirola, #43 Smithfield Foods, Richard Petty Motorsports [Yahoo Class B]

After finishing 35th in his Watkins Glen debut, Almirola finished 18th last year. While the improvement is an encouraging sign, the sample size is small, and he is still an unproven road racer. It wouldn't be a surprise to see him crack the top 20, but there are more proven sleeper options available this weekend.

27. Ron Fellows, #33 Little Joe's Autos, Circle Sport

Although his recent starts at Watkins Glen haven't resulted in much, Fellows does have a history of success at the track. In addition to winning multiple races at the road course in the Nationwide Series, he has finished as high as second in a Cup Series event. More importantly, Fellows will have decent equipment to work with this weekend. After managing a top-25 with the No. 33 team at Sonoma earlier this year, he could make a decent sleeper play this weekend.

28. Boris Said, #32 C & J Energy, FAS Lane Racing [Yahoo Class C]

Said's talent as a road racer is undeniable, and he has finished as high as third at Watkins Glen and has four top-15 finishes at the track for his career. However, he has struggled a bit with the recent car changes and has finished outside the top 20 in his last five starts at the track. He is really only worth a look in deeper leagues.

29. Ricky Stenhouse Jr., #17 Best Buy/Valvoline/Zest, Roush Fenway Racing [Yahoo Class C]

After his long afternoon at Sonoma earlier this year, it seems safe to say that Stenhouse has some room to improve at the road courses. He started 37th and finished 27th at Sonoma, and there is no reason to expect significant improvements this weekend. A top-25 is probably his ceiling.

30. Danica Patrick, #10 GoDaddy.com, Stewart-Haas Racing [Yahoo Class C]

All her road racing experience from her IndyCar days didn't do her much good at Sonoma a few months ago. Patrick started 31st and finished 29th in that race, and another afternoon spent toiling near the back of the pack is probably on tap for this Sunday.
 

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Tony Stewart is out this weekend at Watkins Glen. Broke his leg last night running a sprint car.
 

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I was looking at a Kurt, Kyle, Juan bet as well. I was hoping for better numbers, +750 for Juan, +775 for the other two.

Not sure if I should wait or not...
 

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Juan's were about what I expected. Last year he was about 10-1 but this year he's running significantly better. Kyle's odds aren't that terrible I saw him at +825. But wow, Kurt at +775 was surprising and disappointing to me cause I thought he'd be a mild sleeper. I think the books are giving him more credit than most fans and bettors will so I'm hoping the odds will become more favorable before the weekend.
 

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Ambrose down to +300. Kurt and Kyle at +750 and Juan at +775 this morning at 5dimes so Kurt and Kyle dropping
 

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Tough to decide. Probably do some more research tonight. Really thought Kurt would be at least +1000 or over. He's now listed as the 2nd favorite! I don't think I want to play him before the weekend starts at such low odds. If he qualifies up front he'll probably have similar odds to what he is now. If he qualifies poorly or mid pack there'll be some real value in him. Even if Kurt qualifies top 5 I can't see him dropping to like a +300 or something low like that. Can you? Kurt Busch at less than +500 on a road course? I don't see that unless he paces each practice and gets a pole than maybe. But still hard to imagine. Think I'm going to take my chances and wait on Kurt.

Kyle and Juan I expect to qualify well and if they do their odds will probably drop even lower. I don't see Kyle or Juan's odds to far over +1000 even with poor qualifying efforts. More likely I can envision them dropping to a +400 or +500 or something with pole runs and fast practices. I'm going to wait and see if Montoya keeps coming my way with the odds. If he does I'll grab him before practice. I initially liked Kyle at +825, guess I missed the boat on that one.

Interested to see where Papis comes out at. Happy to see Ambrose odds drop but kinda thought with him dropping so much that some of the other guys would go the other way! Keselowski now down to +750!
 

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ODDS TO WIN NASCAR CHEEZ-IT 355 AT THE GLEN JUAN MONTOYA +1000
ODDS TO WIN NASCAR CHEEZ-IT 355 AT THE GLEN JIMMIE JOHNSON +1800
 

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13:10 Cheez It 355 - Outright
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  • Marcos Ambrose +204
  • Kyle Busch +629
  • Kurt Busch +800
  • Brad Keselowski +800
  • Juan Montoya +900
  • Clint Boywer +900
  • Martin Truex Jr +900
  • Jeff Gordon +1900
  • Jimmie Johnson +1900
  • Kevin Harvick +2200
  • Carl Edwards +2200
  • Jamie McMurray +2700
  • Kasey Kahne +3200
  • Joey Logano +3300
  • Ryan Newman +5500
  • Denny Hamlin +6200
  • Greg Biffle +6700
  • Field +1100
 

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Kyle +700
JPM +750 and again at +1100
Jimmie +900

Midrange:
Carl +1900

Longshot:
AJ +3500

JPM finishing position under 6.5 (-105)
Kyle finishing position under 5.5 (+100)

JPM over Kurt (-120)
Kyle over JJ (-135)
Carl over Truex (+175)
Carl over Biffle (-130)
JPM over JJ (-140)

Lot of stock in Kyle Juan and Carl today. Wasn't able to see qualifying so not sure if the new format had any effect on the starting lineup. Carl was top 3 in both practices and usually runs well here. Qualified mid pack though. Juan was 4th in both practices and Kyle was 6th and 7th in practice. These guys know how to get around the Glen and showed consistent speed. Ambrose obviously the guy to beat but terrible odds. Thought the odds were worth it in qualifying for Ambrose vs Juan. That didn't play out but similar thinking for the Carl vs Truex play as a heavy dog.

Happy race day!! The glen!!
 
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