No. The error in this is that when this happens to a professor - and we all know, it does - they don't shut down that entire learning department and transfer students in that major to another university.
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No. The error in this is that when this happens to a professor - and we all know, it does - they don't shut down that entire learning department and transfer students in that major to another university.
more victim's coming forward, dating back to the 1970's:
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/07/jerry_sandusky_case_three_men.html
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/07/jerry_sandusky_case_three_men.html
I'll try to be clearer.
When it happens to a professor, the administration doesn't allow him to continue to invite little boys to the scene of the first crime because the professor would have been fired and turned over to the police without hesitation and without exception.
The act doesn't shut down the program...the failure of institutional control over the program and the aiding and abetting of criminal activity does.
Student-athletes are free to remain at PS on scholarship which alleviates any logistical issues around transferring.
These issues are really very clear and very simple when your mind isn't cluttered by blind, fanatical self-interests.
Before your next attempt at trying to create a logical excuse and explanation for the preventable rape of multiple young boys, read the link in Mr Poon's post and take a moment to reflect on your point-of-view. I don't think you are changing any minds other than we may now have a better understanding of the mentality and viewpoint of a PS fan and it's not very pretty.
When it happens to a professor, the administration doesn't allow him to continue to invite little boys to the scene of the first crime because the professor would have been fired and turned over to the police without hesitation and without exception.
The act doesn't shut down the program...the failure of institutional control over the program and the aiding and abetting of criminal activity does.
Student-athletes are free to remain at PS on scholarship which alleviates any logistical issues around transferring.
These issues are really very clear and very simple when your mind isn't cluttered by blind, fanatical self-interests.
Before your next attempt at trying to create a logical excuse and explanation for the preventable rape of multiple young boys, read the link in Mr Poon's post and take a moment to reflect on your point-of-view. I don't think you are changing any minds other than we may now have a better understanding of the mentality and viewpoint of a PS fan and it's not very pretty.
Marine
The hell with the current athletes!! Remember as we all know life isn't fair. We are talking about children!! Paterno is as guilty as Sandusky!!! I could care less if told the pope and he didn't do anything about it. He should have pursued it to the FBI etc. No the selfish fuck cared more about his legacy. He is the one that sat in their living rooms telling them you come to my school and I'll watch over you!!Let's not forget the DA who mysteriously disappeared and still hasn't been found. Throw the fucking book at them. Maggots
The hell with the current athletes!! Remember as we all know life isn't fair. We are talking about children!! Paterno is as guilty as Sandusky!!! I could care less if told the pope and he didn't do anything about it. He should have pursued it to the FBI etc. No the selfish fuck cared more about his legacy. He is the one that sat in their living rooms telling them you come to my school and I'll watch over you!!Let's not forget the DA who mysteriously disappeared and still hasn't been found. Throw the fucking book at them. Maggots
It's not directed at college athletes. It's directed at the school and it's leadership. Did you defend USC and it's players when Bush took money? Those kids that were in high school at the time and then signed to play there had nothing to do with it and really neither did the school. How about SMU? Those freshman had nothing to do with the players that were paid but they had to look for another school to play for. Kids going to a school pay a price for other peoples mistakes every year. And those mistakes are usually things like getting tatoos or taking a little money. So you don't mind kids paying the price for others doing those things but they shouldn't have to pay if their school turns their head to someone RUINING a childs life.
I find it rather amusing that Marine isn't protecting Paterno any longer. I guess even he realized he was wrong on that one.
I wonder what Marine thinks about tearing down the statue?
Oh and for the record Marine........I transferred, it really isn't that hard. Of course if I was an athlete and PSU I sure has fuck wouldn't complain about it "being difficult". I'd say getting ass raped in the shower as a child is a little more difficult to handle.
I wonder what Marine thinks about tearing down the statue?
Oh and for the record Marine........I transferred, it really isn't that hard. Of course if I was an athlete and PSU I sure has fuck wouldn't complain about it "being difficult". I'd say getting ass raped in the shower as a child is a little more difficult to handle.
Really? You're being serious here. Can you please show us the case were a professor was using his classroom to butt rape boys. Also, please make sure they're all cases that the admin new about it and still let him be there. Show me one of those.
I'm not sure what the fuck is going on up there but this isn't normal.
Can u imagine knowing this is going on and enabling this sik fuk? That point u made i really don't know how a person could live with themselves knowing full well that this disgusting shit was going on. I can't imagine keeping any job no matter how much i made to sit there and not say a word. I just can't imagine working there and watching this sik fuk walking with another young boy. My stomach feels sic just thinking about it. I wonder if this ever bothered Ole Joey or was that program worth more than his integrity. Well, i think most of us know the answer.
http://www.wnd.com/2006/01/34299/
a whole summarized list of teachers charged with rape of young boys that originated on school grounds.
How many of these schools have been shut down?
a whole summarized list of teachers charged with rape of young boys that originated on school grounds.
How many of these schools have been shut down?
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He lives with the deaths of all those kids he sent off to war for nothing. You think some kids being abused is going to actually to bother him?
Marine quotes...............ya just gotta love these.......
We will likely never know the absolute truth due to the death of paterno and the folks that are left... will all simply point to paterno as the guily ringleader since he isn't around anymore. Is it sad to see? Yes.
For the people with reason and common sense... don't worry. In a few years, Paterno's legacy will revert back to where it was prior to this scandal.
So you've got a situation where years earlier an incident was reported and moved up the food chain and no formal disciplinary action was taken.
A few years later the same incident happens and suddenly Paterno is fired and painted as a horrible person.
A higher authority - the District Attorney said there was nothing there to press forward with charges.
District Attorney > Joe Paterno
So we're destroying a man for his actions (or inactions) after someone higher than him has previously said - that was not a crime.
This is emotional based decision making at it's worst.
I?m seriously, and utterly SHOCKED at how these incidents being reported to the police and investigated, are being pinned on paterno.
Why isn't the sign for the police department being stripped down? Why are they etching his name off trophies, and not crucifying the people that actually had the specific power to stop this?
Do you really think that the head of a college football program can be everywhere all at once? You expect him to prop his ass up on a chair and sit by shower entrance all day long to make sure nothing happens?
OK, So i'll pose this question to you guys to answer. What SHOULD Paterno have done?
What else should Paterno have done? What could he have done, within his power, and legally speaking.
He gets some of the blame. But I strongly feel that people have gone way overboard with the punitive actions and villifications of him.
and for the idea above.. about comparing apples to coaches. I'm not deflecting it. I'm questioning why everyone else has been allowed to pass the buck and have it stop on paterno.
We should probably pin the economy problems on him too.
Hindsight is 20/20, and this happened almost 10 years ago. People are acting and thinking like it happened yesterday. So for the last 10 years, people have liked, and looked up to Paterno after this incident happened. And all of a sudden everything the man ever did is stained and tainted.
So what could he have done more? Hire guards? It's a fairly big football facility. One guard certainly wouldn't be enough. You'd need many to cover all the areas and nooks and crannies there. How much does that cost? Raise tuition to cover it, right? Have the Penn State Police do it? They already showed they couldn't or wouldn't. Have the football team take turns doing 4-6 hour shifts all day, every day? I can see how that would play out already...
Hire a PI? pffffffffffft.
Moral superiors, i only said that people overreacted to paterno's role in this and the punishments he has received are inappropriate and overdone.
You aren't just punishing Paterno - you're destroying an entire life's work.
We will likely never know the absolute truth due to the death of paterno and the folks that are left... will all simply point to paterno as the guily ringleader since he isn't around anymore. Is it sad to see? Yes.
For the people with reason and common sense... don't worry. In a few years, Paterno's legacy will revert back to where it was prior to this scandal.
So you've got a situation where years earlier an incident was reported and moved up the food chain and no formal disciplinary action was taken.
A few years later the same incident happens and suddenly Paterno is fired and painted as a horrible person.
A higher authority - the District Attorney said there was nothing there to press forward with charges.
District Attorney > Joe Paterno
So we're destroying a man for his actions (or inactions) after someone higher than him has previously said - that was not a crime.
This is emotional based decision making at it's worst.
I?m seriously, and utterly SHOCKED at how these incidents being reported to the police and investigated, are being pinned on paterno.
Why isn't the sign for the police department being stripped down? Why are they etching his name off trophies, and not crucifying the people that actually had the specific power to stop this?
Do you really think that the head of a college football program can be everywhere all at once? You expect him to prop his ass up on a chair and sit by shower entrance all day long to make sure nothing happens?
OK, So i'll pose this question to you guys to answer. What SHOULD Paterno have done?
What else should Paterno have done? What could he have done, within his power, and legally speaking.
He gets some of the blame. But I strongly feel that people have gone way overboard with the punitive actions and villifications of him.
and for the idea above.. about comparing apples to coaches. I'm not deflecting it. I'm questioning why everyone else has been allowed to pass the buck and have it stop on paterno.
We should probably pin the economy problems on him too.
Hindsight is 20/20, and this happened almost 10 years ago. People are acting and thinking like it happened yesterday. So for the last 10 years, people have liked, and looked up to Paterno after this incident happened. And all of a sudden everything the man ever did is stained and tainted.
So what could he have done more? Hire guards? It's a fairly big football facility. One guard certainly wouldn't be enough. You'd need many to cover all the areas and nooks and crannies there. How much does that cost? Raise tuition to cover it, right? Have the Penn State Police do it? They already showed they couldn't or wouldn't. Have the football team take turns doing 4-6 hour shifts all day, every day? I can see how that would play out already...
Hire a PI? pffffffffffft.
Moral superiors, i only said that people overreacted to paterno's role in this and the punishments he has received are inappropriate and overdone.
You aren't just punishing Paterno - you're destroying an entire life's work.
First of all, vilifying Marine for having his own opinion is childish. Saying he sent boys off to war and that he somehow has their blood on his hands is downright ignorant.
Statements like "the janitor knew it" and all that other crap.......really??? You talk to the janitor did ya? Nobody has any idea of what the fuck went on except what you have read in the press and heard on the news. You then formed an opinion based on what you decided to take as fact. Who here attended any of the hearings? Who here has first hand knowledge and can provide any EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY to support the accusations you are flinging around.
What ALL of you are doing is expressing an OPINION, and Marine has an opinion too. Funny thing is, is that Marine may have been a recruiter but aren't those recruits now the soldiers that protect the very freedom you guys are now expressing? The funny thing is now, because the numbers support one side of the argument here, you guys are getting more bold in your statements. Marine is a good poster and not one of you even know the guy but you find strength in the forum support so you post snippets of his posts and treat him like some kind of uneducated, unethical boor. It is fucking sad and ridiculous.
Kickserv,
You really need to take that post down, it isn't a good one and is a shitty thing to do to a good dude. You honestly think that someone can't go and take snippets of your posts that can be reposted to make you look silly?
POST YOUR OPINIONS ALL DAY LONG, nobody cares about that but don't presume that your opinion is the only that matters or the only one that has any weight. It is fucked up and childish.
Hope that helps,
FDC
Statements like "the janitor knew it" and all that other crap.......really??? You talk to the janitor did ya? Nobody has any idea of what the fuck went on except what you have read in the press and heard on the news. You then formed an opinion based on what you decided to take as fact. Who here attended any of the hearings? Who here has first hand knowledge and can provide any EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY to support the accusations you are flinging around.
What ALL of you are doing is expressing an OPINION, and Marine has an opinion too. Funny thing is, is that Marine may have been a recruiter but aren't those recruits now the soldiers that protect the very freedom you guys are now expressing? The funny thing is now, because the numbers support one side of the argument here, you guys are getting more bold in your statements. Marine is a good poster and not one of you even know the guy but you find strength in the forum support so you post snippets of his posts and treat him like some kind of uneducated, unethical boor. It is fucking sad and ridiculous.
Kickserv,
You really need to take that post down, it isn't a good one and is a shitty thing to do to a good dude. You honestly think that someone can't go and take snippets of your posts that can be reposted to make you look silly?
POST YOUR OPINIONS ALL DAY LONG, nobody cares about that but don't presume that your opinion is the only that matters or the only one that has any weight. It is fucked up and childish.
Hope that helps,
FDC
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Really? So your position is that all Coast Guard, National Guard, Army, Navy, etc... recruiters should be tried for murder?
fatdaddy....I disagree. Totally disagree actually.
Marine brought this on himself.
For him to say all the shit he has said on here in the past 6 months is mind boggling, yes he can have an opinion but he is the one who twists things so I thought all should see what he has said in the past. He wrote every word, he deals with the consequences.
As for him "sending kids off to their death", that may be going a bit far.
And I'll say this over and over again, if Marine had one of his kids raped he wouldn't say any of the shit he's said on here. Not one word would be the same.....not one.
Marine brought this on himself.
For him to say all the shit he has said on here in the past 6 months is mind boggling, yes he can have an opinion but he is the one who twists things so I thought all should see what he has said in the past. He wrote every word, he deals with the consequences.
As for him "sending kids off to their death", that may be going a bit far.
And I'll say this over and over again, if Marine had one of his kids raped he wouldn't say any of the shit he's said on here. Not one word would be the same.....not one.
Brought what on Kick? Your judgement?!?! Because YOU disagree and YOU think YOU are right? Really? Who died and left you boss chief? Your moral ground is as tainted as anybody's so how the hell do you know what Marine would do or say in any situation? Because you think you know him well enough to just throw that out there as if it is some kind of fact? The only thing you can say is that he twists things? Why are his statements considered as a twist, yet yours are to be taken as fact and the way everyone should think? I don't agree with you at all. The best part is that this whole conversation is based on the actions not being taken by university officials, yet you just stated that "blood on his hands is going a bit too far"? So where is your moral compass when that is posted? Why didn't you vilify the guy who posted and make sure that this injustice was brought to light?
You sir, are part of the cover up! We should shut fucking Canada down now because of you right?
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Morally, yes. It's something he can live with for the rest of his life. I hope everyday he looks in the mirror and he has more than a moment.
