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Don't put words in my mouth azbob. I didn't say shit about gambling debts either. I am only in this argument because I was defending Marine from Kickserv's call out. I didn't like it and think I stated so.


Hope that helps.
FDC

well said....i think there are quite a few on here, that had hatred towards penn state before any of this shit broke.....

hell i dont even like penn state....but still don't think suspending a football program does anything but punish more innocent people
 

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well said....i think there are quite a few on here, that had hatred towards penn state before any of this shit broke.....

hell i dont even like penn state....but still don't think suspending a football program does anything but punish more innocent people

Absolutely. I think that people are outraged for sure however, when you look at the big picture.....a lot of that anger is actually just conformity and a springboard to pile on. That is solely my opinion and not stated as fact. Sucks that I have to state that damn near every time on this forum anymore but around here if it is in print it must be true. Sad, really. Calling for the suspension of just the football program pretty much speaks to the motivation behind it all also.

Cheers bro.
 

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It wouldn't bother me to see the program suspended. I see both sides but shouldn't the living members who were involved get due process before the "death penalty" is applied? :shrug:
 

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http://espn.go.com/college-football...ark-emmert-signals-heavy-sanctions-penn-state

better start directing your analogies and defenses toward the ncaa as the president says nothing is off the table as this event has no prescident.

You mean precedent? This means what? Dude, do you somehow think that there is a right and wrong side here? Are you really so presumptuous and narcissistic to think that because you found an article that has absolutely zero substance other than speculation and a very obtuse quote that you are somehow correct and subsequently the voice of reason or something? Let me make one thing vehemently clear, just because the NCAA president made a quote does not constitute action or even an impending action that was not already known. The NCAA is doing it's own INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION (duh duh duh dummmm I know how that is like the right hand on the bible all knowing truth thing with you) so what? Even if they impose sanctions it doesn't prove anything?!!? You still don't get it.... do you?

Earlier you spelled out how you thought that this becomes a football issue.

"as soon as those in charge of the FOOTBALL program and those in charge of the UNIVERSITY decided it was better to cover up the scandal to protect the program vs going to the authorities to protect innocent kids... it became an issue of a football program gone unchecked."

I am curious as to why you didn't identify the rest of the programs at Penn State. It seems that you only look to punish the men's football program. Since the university president and vice president as well as the board etc... had a hand in all this, all must be punished equally right?!?! that is what you want correct? That all the student athletes be punished and Penn State be given the death penalty correct? And by punish I mean that they can transfer to other schools without penalty (which is an absurdly ridiculous oxymoron in the first place but what the hell it isn't my statement to claim I am only quoting all of "humanity" that spoke earlier of this "horror"), lose their scholarships, including those that are on the debate team, the glee club, music students, any science students that are currently on grants while working on their thesis. Just that kind of non penalizing punishment is what I mean. You know because those students won't have to incur any relocation costs, books and registration costs or anything like that, no the death penalty fairy will take care of all that right, because us "high moral types" don't want to nor care to hear about this kind of thing. We can't be bothered with this kind of trivial bs while we will be busy beating our chests for showing the world how much we care about, what was those kids names again? Before you answer, let me refresh your memory as to how you felt a couple hours ago....

in the end, you'll likely get your way and no sanctions will be levied because the ncaa only likes to punish kids and coaches not schools and/or presidents.....beacuse that's who the ncaa is presidents of schools.

That is where you made the connection to the university president being responsible and thus all the programs under his employ must be tainted, and we know that you are completely uncaring for any of these students as you state in the following....

can you find me one time where ncaa sanctions against a "program" DIDNT hurt the current players who had "nothing" to do with the infractions?

and spare me the woe-is-me what are the players going to do.....95% of those football players will get a free ride at another school


So, again I am speculating here but it seems your anger is really only directed at the football program, you call for death to that program and all its players without remorse, and we are having a discussion about the moral integrity of the NCAA's actions or lack thereof when your own moral compass seems to be spinning with the "woe is me" comment?

Funny how you are trying to be a champion for the innocent victims in one sentence and then, almost right after the comma, you are all for making more?!! These are not analogies either just in case you were wondering. You seem to be a bit misguided on the definition is all.

So to be clear, these are all points you made and quotes taken directly from you so with that being said, I will ask again. Is it just the football program you want punished and is it because you didn't like Penn State and JoePa prior to this? Of course we both know that is exactly what it is but I am just curious to see if anyone will actually man up and admit that they may be just a bit biased on the subject. Cue the the hero or the chump (that's you) in the answer to this question.

Hope that helps,
FDC
 

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A suspension or shut down of the football program there will be exponentially more than just that. A suspension or shut down of the football program will be a death call for nearly an entire town surrounding the campus who's majority income is dependent upon the tens of thousands of people that show up to watch football games.
 

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When you collected those wagers you made betting on penn state over the last 15 years, you too have profited from this sad chain of events.
Be proud, light those torches, rally in the streets. Use that money you made to buy really big, giant torches that burn really bright.

Paterno's football program and Paterno's money built that multi million dollar library on the campus that everyone in the city uses. Shut it down. It's got his name on the wall, his dirty money built it. Rally to shut it down. Take the books away from the students that were bought with that dirty money.



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Such a ridiculous reach. Now gamblers share part of the blame like they somehow enabled Paterno like they knew what was going on? As for the library. You think Ole Joe might have had a guilty conscience and open that Library up just because of this situation? The difference between gamblers and Paterno is that Paterno knew what was going on. Gamblers had no clue. I know one thing i always wondered why Sandusky retired. Always had doubt that something wasn't right. Never in a million years would i have thought the sic twist was a pedophile tho.
 

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hell i dont even like penn state....but still don't think suspending a football program does anything but punish more innocent people

im on the fence with this. U shut itt down a lot of people who didn't do anything lose their job. On the other hand u have a bunch of enablers recruiting your kid full well knowing this stuff is going on. Sometimes u have to make an example of something to wake up others who may be up to no good. Terrible situation
 

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Such a ridiculous reach. Now gamblers share part of the blame like they somehow enabled Paterno like they knew what was going on? As for the library. You think Ole Joe might have had a guilty conscience and open that Library up just because of this situation? The difference between gamblers and Paterno is that Paterno knew what was going on. Gamblers had no clue. I know one thing i always wondered why Sandusky retired. Always had doubt that something wasn't right. Never in a million years would i have thought the sic twist was a pedophile tho.

I'm pretty sure that a lot of the players on the roster today had no idea what was going on then either. But yet, people sure do want to punish them.

Learn to read and comprehend what you read. I never said gamblers were part of the blame, I said that gamblers profited from the situation.
 

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A suspension or shut down of the football program there will be exponentially more than just that. A suspension or shut down of the football program will be a death call for nearly an entire town surrounding the campus who's majority income is dependent upon the tens of thousands of people that show up to watch football games.

And this mindset is EXACTLY what caused an entire school to shield a CHILD RAPIST for DECADES. Your precious little "Happy Valley" is worth more then protecting kids from a FUCKING monster. I thought the NIKE petition was stupid, why punish all activities, but clearly if this is the mindset, Happy Valley needs to be knocked down a peg or THREE. Holy shit, the volleyball team is actually good, not just overrated like the football team, what will that coach and assistants be able to get away.
 

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And this mindset is EXACTLY what caused an entire school to shield a CHILD RAPIST for DECADES. Your precious little "Happy Valley" is worth more then protecting kids from a FUCKING monster. I thought the NIKE petition was stupid, why punish all activities, but clearly if this is the mindset, Happy Valley needs to be knocked down a peg or THREE. Holy shit, the volleyball team is actually good, not just overrated like the football team, what will that coach and assistants be able to get away.

I bolded the parts that sound absurd.
The "entire school" shielded him, but why punish all activies, right?
 

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Doubt the program needs the death penalty as it will be damaged anyway imho. I doubt it will ever be like it was again.
 

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And this mindset is EXACTLY what caused an entire school to shield a CHILD RAPIST for DECADES. Your precious little "Happy Valley" is worth more then protecting kids from a FUCKING monster. I thought the NIKE petition was stupid, why punish all activities, but clearly if this is the mindset, Happy Valley needs to be knocked down a peg or THREE. Holy shit, the volleyball team is actually good, not just overrated like the football team, what will that coach and assistants be able to get away.

where is your nebraska avatar?...

biased much?
 

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im on the fence with this. U shut itt down a lot of people who didn't do anything lose their job. On the other hand u have a bunch of enablers recruiting your kid full well knowing this stuff is going on. Sometimes u have to make an example of something to wake up others who may be up to no good. Terrible situation

the people who knew...are out of there, let the courts do their job and fry the bastards...

beyond the football players and coaches...the band, cheerleaders, maintenance workers, security, bus drivers, ticket takers, local business and hotels etc...will all suffer if you suspend the program.....

and my stance on this has never waivered for any program....

why should reggie bush's parents getting a house from boosters 5 years ago, prevent 5-10 kids this year and next from receiving a scholarship to possibly the school of their dreams?

I hate the fact that innocent people independent of the problem itself, get the brunt of the sanctions...
 

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and my stance on this has never waivered for any program....

why should reggie bush's parents getting a house from boosters 5 years ago, prevent 5-10 kids this year and next from receiving a scholarship to possibly the school of their dreams?

I hate the fact that innocent people independent of the problem itself, get the brunt of the sanctions...

So as long as someone cheats per NCAA rules, and doesn't get caught while they or perhaps the coach is at the school, then no harm no foul?
 

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the people who knew...are out of there, let the courts do their job and fry the bastards...

beyond the football players and coaches...the band, cheerleaders, maintenance workers, security, bus drivers, ticket takers, local business and hotels etc...will all suffer if you suspend the program.....

and my stance on this has never waivered for any program....

why should reggie bush's parents getting a house from boosters 5 years ago, prevent 5-10 kids this year and next from receiving a scholarship to possibly the school of their dreams?

I hate the fact that innocent people independent of the problem itself, get the brunt of the sanctions...


Unfortunately that's not how life works from small things to big things. I can remember running lines all evening long because other ball players couldn't focus enough. I threw up many times because they were stupid. It's the way it is and I knew it. I just had a friend lose a job because one of the owners embezzled money so they had to cut back. He surely didn't deserve to be fired but he ended up getting another job and everything is ok.

These kids know it's something that can happen. If it does then they switch schools. Yeah I know they have to sit out a year but that's just for the sport not from school so in all reality the thing that matters most doesn't get taken from them.
 

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Learn to read and comprehend what you read. I never said gamblers were part of the blame, I said that gamblers profited from the situation.

Yeah okay. Explain to us all how gamblers profited from the situation :facepalm:
 
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