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President George Bush and his tag-along buddy John McCain are repeating almost word for word about Iran the pattern of lies and threats they used to justify the war against Iraq.

Our intelligence agencies have said that Iran gave up the pursuit of a nuclear weapon three years ago. President Bush makes speeches as if he's never heard of any intelligence agencies. That's what worries me about President Bush. His words very often defy and contradict reality.

Recently, he almost repeated word for word a theme he often used in the buildup to the Iraq aggression. It was, he said, unthinkable to allow "the most dangerous regime to acquire the most dangerous weapons." This guy might actually launch an attack on Iran before his term expires. If he does, you can kiss the world economy goodbye. You don't like $4-a-gallon gas? How about $10 a gallon?

In the first place, Iran is far from the most dangerous regime in the world. I would say it is not dangerous at all, so far as the United States is concerned. Except for idiots, sane people assess threats based on capability, not on political rhetoric, intentions or imagination.

So what are the capabilities of Iran? It has no nuclear weapons. We have about 3,000 or more. One American submarine could destroy the entire country of Iran and its population. Iran has no missiles that could reach us. It has no aircraft that could reach us. Its army couldn't even defeat Iraq.

So what I want to know is how in the blankety-blank Hades Bush and McCain define the word "dangerous"? When their statements about Iran are placed side by side with the known facts, Bush and McCain sound insane.

Nothing alarms me more than the thought of an irrational person in the White House. I'm OK with stupid. I can live with venal. I can tolerate a womanizer, even a drunk, but a crazy person in command of our nuclear forces gives me the heebie-jeebies. Somebody who can't tell the difference between a nuclear-free Iran with no ICBMs and Russia with thousands of nuclear warheads sitting atop advanced intercontinental missiles has no business being allowed in the White House, even as a tourist.

There are two countries that have the capability of being a threat to us ? Russia and China. That's foreign policy and geopolitical strategy at the kindergarten level. They have the capability. No other country in the world does. Only a moron would worry more about an ex-college professor with a long name whose office doesn't even control the armed forces than he would about Vladimir Putin. This present American administration, in one of the dumbest moves in the history of diplomacy, neglected our relations with Russia while it got us bogged down in two small desert countries that don't amount to a hill of coffee beans.

Also bear in mind that it doesn't matter diddly squat if some small country manages to make a few nuclear weapons. A few is no threat to many. Nobody with a few would be tempted to attack any country with many nuclear weapons.

Deterrence worked when the Soviet Union had 30,000 nuclear warheads, but these moronic, unscrupulous, intellectually dishonest, dishonorable neocons would convince you that deterrence wouldn't work against Iran.

I know most secular folks equate religion with insanity, but they are not the same. Iran is a religious nation, but its leaders are not crazy. They are smart and well-educated. They fought a long, grueling war with Iraq, and I think what they want more than anything else is a little peace and prosperity. But I think they are worried about Bush, McCain and Israel, and I don't blame them.
 

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So what I want to know is how in the blankety-blank Hades Bush and McCain define the word "dangerous"? When their statements about Iran are placed side by side with the known facts, Bush and McCain sound insane.

Reese is disingenuous. As he well knows, Bush and McCain are neither stupid nor insane. They're simply taking marching orders from our enemies in the Israel lobby. The three candidates are nothing but puppets of the Zionists.

A real leader acts like Putin: he throws criminal gangsters in jail, gets his country out of debt, refrains from initiating aggressive foreign war, and conducts himself in a sober and responsible manner. Putin is a man. Bush is a Texan.
 

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Big fan of the state, not a big fan of the strutty smirky blowhardism Bush personifies. Found in every state, but a little too common in Texas.
 

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Bush and McCain are neither stupid nor insane. They're simply taking marching orders from our enemies in the Israel lobby. The three candidates are nothing but puppets of the Zionists.

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Always the same old same old from guys like you.

Who are the enemies in the Israel lobby ?

pray tell :0corn :0corn

It almost always ends there. Identifying them is too much of a chore.
 

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Always the same old same old from guys like you.

Who are the enemies in the Israel lobby ?

pray tell :0corn :0corn

It almost always ends there. Identifying them is too much of a chore.

Here scotty read up. I know this is a touchy subject in our country and our press makes it like this doesn't even exist just like they want you to think. Remember Scotty Israel is our good buddy and Hugo Chavez is a very bad man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIPAC
 

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thanks for your continued edumacation of me.

I read about 60% of that and scanned the rest.

The thing your type dont get is that this is politics. If you dont like the way the game is played dont elect people like Bush and Cheney and these Crooked Congressman into office.

No where did I see that Bush and Cheny are taking marching orders from this group. They have no more power than any other large group that gives money to politians campaigns and lines their pockets. If you want to do something to stop this , dont allow them to hand over this money. Get people in goverment that will stop this crap.

Its a paranoid thinking that make people like you and tapir think like this.

for instance.

Steiner resignation
In 1992, AIPAC president David Steiner was forced to resign after he was tape recorded boasting about his political influence in obtaining aid for Israel. Steiner claimed that he had

met with (then Bush U.S. Secretary of State) Jim Baker and I cut a deal with him. I got, besides the $3 billion, you know they're looking for the Jewish votes, and I'll tell him whatever he wants to hear ... Besides the $10 billion in loan guarantees which was a fabulous thing, $3 billion in foreign, in military aid, and I got almost a billion dollars in other goodies that people don't even know about.[12]

Steiner also claimed to be "negotiating" with the incoming Clinton administration over who Clinton would appoint as Secretary of State and Secretary of the National Security Agency. Steiner stated that AIPAC had "a dozen people in [the Clinton] campaign, in the headquarters... in Little Rock, and they're all going to get big jobs."[12]

Haim Katz told The Washington Times that he taped the conversation because "as someone Jewish, I am concerned when a small group has a disproportionate power. I think that hurts everyone, including Jews. If David Steiner wants to talk about the incredible, disproportionate clout AIPAC has, the public should know about it."[13]


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So here in the article you posted for me to read and understand how Israel controls America at the highest levels, this Steiner guy was booted for crowing too loud. And that was 1992.

There are other countrys that lobby the same way and who America gives more money to over time than to Israel.

Sponge your a jaded person politically there may be no hope for your delusional paranoid schizso prehia.

Geez Louise.

PS - Bush dont listen to no one. To say he is controlled by Israel is just stupid. Bush has his own agenda. And obviously we need Israel to help stabalize all the psychos in that region of the world.

PSS - and you see how Clinton was entrenched with this group way back when. Hillary gets in there and they make a billion with Willys tricks
and pandering behind the scenes.

Its sickening to think about

Go Obama !

Big changes are coming.
 
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Pretty much any American who has ever been in a motorized vehicle knows that the centerpiece of US Middle Eastern policy is Washington's relationship with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, and has been so since the mid-30s. It is a vital national interest ? not just because cheap fuel permits Americans to drive SUVs, but because protecting the largest known oil-reserves in the world ensures a stable world economy. Moreover, the US military counts on access to that oil in the event it has to wage war ? an activity that demands a lot of oil.
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Oil is important to America.

I just found that America gives Egypt 2 billion a year in aide.

I wonder if Egypt has a lobby in Washington so that they squeeze nuts to get this money. I highly doubt it. They just sit back , take the money and divy it among the big players.

It makes your accusations of The Isreal lobby look unfounded. And how has Egypt backed up the US in Iraq or anything else except maybe to allow suicide bombers in from other countrys.
 
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The reality is that US support for Israel is rather tenuous. Outside the White House/Executive Office Building and the Congress, Israel has few friends in high places. The career diplomats of the State Department, those whom President Truman called "the striped pants boys," have never been pro-Israel or even neutral, and take little pains to hide it. The ranks of university Middle East experts, political science and international relations departments, are filled with many who whose career depends on friendly receptions in Arab lands, whose grant money may be paid from these same sources, and who are fairly open in expressing their opinions about Israel in a way that is pleasing to Arab ears.

We are not talking about professionals who are "objective" or "even-handed" or who support the peace process, but rather about those who throw all professionalism and objectivity to the winds in order to load the dice against Israel to satisfy their ethnic predispositions and career requirements. They produce the sort of rhetoric has to be seen to be believed. Unfortunately, it is all too often believed and often taken seriously in the most rarefied strata of academia and policy making.

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These statements sound alot more like reality than someone like tapir saying Bush is controlled by a Israel lobby group. Thats hallucinations.

Geez Louise politics is a dirty business.
 

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. The first is the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza strip, which Arab diplomacy has successfully used to increasingly isolate Israel and make it dependent on the US alone for diplomatic and military support. The second is the continuing Israeli dependence on US foreign aid and in particular foreign military aid. Foreign aid and military supplies are good levers for the US government as well as for Israel-bashers .

Money is addictive. It creates a dependence both on the substance and on the supplier of that substance. Foreign technology and foreign weapons supplies are also addictive. They are cheaper than home manufacture, especially if some of the equipment is offered virtually for free from surplus stores. US military aid has caused Israel to gut its own military industries and the subcontractors who once supplied them, to the point where it is doubtful the IDF could do very much at all without United States equipment. It is not just sophisticated weapons such as jet fighters or helicopters that are supplied by the US, but the most mundane military necessities including rifles. We often cannot sell Israeli technology to foreign countries either, because it is partly developed in the USA. Technology is often partly developed in the USA because the agreements insist that the grant or loan money must be spent in the USA. Foreign aid to Israel is in effect a subsidy to US firms. On the other hand, there is nothing to prevent the US from selling Israeli developed radar to Arab countries it seems.
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And because Israel is a democratic society with such close links to the US, Arabs have made it impossible for them to exist without US support.

What Arab country has trade ties with Israel ?

Sure am learning alot reading up on this stuff Spongeer Capir
 

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no comment until the time limit is up ?:shrug:

scottie...thank you for saving me the indinity of having to respond to this tripe while half in the bag on this beautiful memorial day weekend...:toast:

scott to spongy/"what's that, your left arm hurts? lemme see your right arm... (pound!!/thwack!!!)...how does your left arm feel now?"....
 

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no comment until the time limit is up ?:shrug:

What is there to respond to? I live in reality and the clowns who think like u live in a fantasy land. Why do you think the country is so fuked up at the present time? When you have a nation of easily conned people you can get away with almost anything. Im not a big fan of FDc but what he is saying in the airline thread is spot on. Why don't you and weasel and the rest of the brainwashed union hating group go over there and give him a piece of your mind? Tell him how Fox News and nitwit neocon radio has convinced you two dopes that unions are very bad. Tell him how you will take a bullet to make sure that billionaires have their rights but you have no problem seeing a working man lose his pension on the drop of a dime. Weasel you must have some great arguments for him. We all know how brainwashed you are, thinking how unions are so bad for our country, but then you love your health care and the rest of your benefit package which was the results of Unions. Go over there and tell FDC that the reason his union had cut backs and the CEO took out a huge lump some while they pushed for these cutbacks is because they took the risk and they are the producers in our society, while the workers are just peasant:jerkit:
 
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I thought this was a debate of sorts.

Unions are not where this thread went.

It was about how Bush is controlled by the Israel lobby.

Cant say I care much for unions.

They are the reason our car companies are going bankrupt.

What do you do if your nose goes on strike ?

pickit
 

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Agency: Iran may be withholding nuclear info
Report says Iran not cooperating with probe on weapon development


updated 4:21 p.m. ET, Mon., May. 26, 2008
VIENNA, Austria - Iran may be withholding information needed to establish whether it tried to make nuclear arms, the International Atomic Energy Agency said Monday in an unusually strongly worded report.

The tone of the language suggesting that Tehran continues to stonewall the agency ? the U.N. nuclear monitor ? revealed a glimpse of the frustration felt by agency investigators stymied in their attempts to gain full answers to suspicious aspects of Iran's past nuclear activities.

Iran has described its cooperation with the agency probe of its alleged nuclear weapons experiments as positive, suggesting it was providing information requested by agency officials. Indirectly disagreeing, the agency also said that Iran continued to deny such activities, dismissing evidence to the contrary submitted for its perusal as misleading or false.

The findings were part of a restricted agency report forwarded to the U.N. Security Council and to the 35 board members of the International Atomic Energy Agency that was obtained by The Associated Press.

Iran remains defiant
The nine-page report also noted that Iran remains defiant of U.N. Security Council demands to stop uranium enrichment.

Shrugging off three sets of council sanctions, Iran had instead expanded its operational centrifuges ? machines that churn out enriched uranium ? by about 500 since the last International Atomic Energy Agency report, in February, said the report.

In announcing major progress in Iran's push for nuclear power, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said last month that Iranian scientists were putting 6,000 new uranium enriching centrifuges into place and testing a new type that worked five times faster.

The report noted that Iran now had only 3,500 centrifuges and specified that the few advanced machines actually running were only in a testing phase. Still a senior U.N. official familiar with Iran's nuclear file said that the country's goal of 6,000 machines running by the summer was "pretty much plausible." He demanded anonymity because the report was confidential.

Iran claims to want to generate power
Uranium can be used as nuclear fuel or as the fissile core of warheads, depending on the degree of enrichment. Iran insists it has a right to the activity under the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and says it want only to generate power.

But addressing whether Iran was complying with agency requests, the report said that "Iran has not provided the Agency with all the information, access to documents and access to individuals necessary to support Iran's statements" that its activities were purely peaceful in intent.

"The Agency is of the view that Iran may have additional information, in particular on high explosives testing and missile related activities which ... Iran should share with the agency," said the report. It was referring to two alleged sets of tests that agency officials say could be linked to a nuclear program.

Asked whether Iran was stonewalling, the U.N. official said that "it was evident" to agency investigators "that they may have some additional information" they were not providing.

Iran already rejected evidence provided by the U.S and other IAEA board members on alleged weapons programs in February, but then promised to revisit the issue before the agency's next board meeting in a week.

Its nuclear programs have been under International Atomic Energy Agency investigation since 2003, when a dissident group revealed the existence of a clandestine enrichment program.

A senior U.S. envoy suggested the report was a strong indictment of Iran's defiance of the international community's efforts to seek answers about troubling parts of its nuclear program, noting it "details a long list of questions that Iran has failed to answer."

"At the same time that Iran is stonewalling its inspectors, it's moving forward in developing its enrichment capability in violation of security council resolutions," Gregory L. Schulte, the chief U.S. delegate to the IAEA told the AP. He described parts of the report as a "direct rebuttal" of Iranian claims that all nuclear questions had been answered.

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All this posturing by the UN. Yeh Iran may be hiding things from us. NO SHIT DICK TRACY.

Anyone that does not believe that Iran is full bore to get a nuke is just stupid.

The only question is , is when it will be taken out, and who will do it.
 

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thanks for your continued edumacation of me.

I read about 60% of that and scanned the rest.

The thing your type dont get is that this is politics. If you dont like the way the game is played dont elect people like Bush and Cheney and these Crooked Congressman into office.

No where did I see that Bush and Cheny are taking marching orders from this group. They have no more power than any other large group that gives money to politians campaigns and lines their pockets. If you want to do something to stop this , dont allow them to hand over this money. Get people in goverment that will stop this crap.

Its a paranoid thinking that make people like you and tapir think like this.

for instance.

Steiner resignation
In 1992, AIPAC president David Steiner was forced to resign after he was tape recorded boasting about his political influence in obtaining aid for Israel. Steiner claimed that he had

met with (then Bush U.S. Secretary of State) Jim Baker and I cut a deal with him. I got, besides the $3 billion, you know they're looking for the Jewish votes, and I'll tell him whatever he wants to hear ... Besides the $10 billion in loan guarantees which was a fabulous thing, $3 billion in foreign, in military aid, and I got almost a billion dollars in other goodies that people don't even know about.[12]

Steiner also claimed to be "negotiating" with the incoming Clinton administration over who Clinton would appoint as Secretary of State and Secretary of the National Security Agency. Steiner stated that AIPAC had "a dozen people in [the Clinton] campaign, in the headquarters... in Little Rock, and they're all going to get big jobs."[12]

Haim Katz told The Washington Times that he taped the conversation because "as someone Jewish, I am concerned when a small group has a disproportionate power. I think that hurts everyone, including Jews. If David Steiner wants to talk about the incredible, disproportionate clout AIPAC has, the public should know about it."[13]


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So here in the article you posted for me to read and understand how Israel controls America at the highest levels, this Steiner guy was booted for crowing too loud. And that was 1992.

There are other countrys that lobby the same way and who America gives more money to over time than to Israel.

Sponge your a jaded person politically there may be no hope for your delusional paranoid schizso prehia.

Geez Louise.

PS - Bush dont listen to no one. To say he is controlled by Israel is just stupid. Bush has his own agenda. And obviously we need Israel to help stabalize all the psychos in that region of the world.

PSS - and you see how Clinton was entrenched with this group way back when. Hillary gets in there and they make a billion with Willys tricks
and pandering behind the scenes.

Its sickening to think about

Go Obama !

Big changes are coming.

Didn't vote for Bush and Cheney. The fukin South voted them in.:flush:
 
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