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Tony Haynes: Pat the Playmaker
Thomas steps up when it counts most.


Nov. 12, 2003


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By Tony Haynes

Maybe Pat Thomas is just a lucky, a guy who happens to be in the right place at the right time when it counts most. But perhaps it's more than just a coincidence that NC State's junior linebacker has made some of the most important plays in a Wolfpack season that again looks promising. In fact, it wouldn't be a stretch to say that Thomas is one of the biggest reasons the Pack has resurrected itself to win four games in a row, a streak that has brought this team right back into the thick of the ACC race.

If you go back and examine the waning moments of NC State's last four games, you'll find Pat Thomas making timely plays that ultimately produced victories. It all started in a non-conference contest against Connecticut back on the 11th of October. With the game tied at 10-10 early in the third quarter, a blitzing Thomas blindsides Huskies quarter back Dan Orlovsky, forcing a fumble that is returned for a touchdown by Freddie Aughtry-Lindsay. Fast forward to the fourth quarter with the game tied again. Aughtry-Lindsay intercepts Orlovsky and returns the ball 56 yards for the winning points. And who causes the wayward throw? Pat "The Playmaker" Thomas had hit the quarterback just as he released the ball.





Five nights later, Thomas was at it again in a Thursday evening clash against Clemson. In just two plays late in the fourth quarter, he almost single-handedly prevented the Tigers from scoring what would have potentially been the winning points in a game that NC State went on to capture 17-15.

With less than five minutes to play, Thomas snuffed out Clemson's last drive when he sacked the quarterback on second down before tipping a third down pass that was intercepted by cornerback Dovonte Edwards.

The very next week, the Wolfpack was involved in yet another tight battle with Duke when Thomas was Johnny on the spot again. With the Blue Devils trying to mount a late rally, Thomas dumped quarterback Adam Smith, forcing a field goal instead of a touchdown that could have pulled Duke closer. The Pack went on to prevail 28-21.

And finally, there was that classic battle with Virginia back on November first. On a night when neither defense could get key stops, Thomas stepped up and sacked quarterback Matt Schaub with just over two minutes left, a play that would force a Virginia punt that preceded the Wolfpack's game-winning drive.

Now with a huge game against Florida State looming this weekend, the Miami native will be looking to keep his uncanny streak of big, clutch plays alive.

"Coming into this year, I wanted to make the big plays and the big stops," Thomas said. "I wanted to fill up the stat sheet. I don't think I've done everything that I've wanted to do, but I think I've had a great season so far."

He's been especially great at crunch time.

Offensive Explosion: Even though it has been missing several key players most of the season, the 2003 NC State offense led by quarterback Philip Rivers could go down as the most productive unit in school history. Having already scored 365 points in 10 games, the Wolfpack is averaging 36.5 points per game, a figure that is currently ahead of the school mark set by the 1972 squad, which averaged 34.1 points per contest.

Because last year's team played in a total of 14 games, its school record of 5,485 total yards probably won't be eclipsed anytime soon. Interestingly, however, this Wolfpack squad is actually averaging 6.4 yards per play, which, if it holds up, will also be a new school record (the 1998 team averaged 6.0 yards per play).

And depending upon what happens the rest of the way, a new record for total offense is also within reach this season. The 1998 offense, paced by Jamie Barnette and Torry Holt, averaged 442.8 yards per contest, an impressive figure that has held up through the Rivers era. With two and probably three games remaining, the 2003 unit is averaging 435 yards per game, meaning it is certainly within striking distance of the school mark.

With 3,401 passing yards already, this year's team is just 67 yards shy of eclipsing the record set in 14 games last season.

In the latest ACC statistics, the Wolfpack leads the league in total offense, pass offense and scoring offense.


Trying to mirror Noles


By NED BARNETT, Staff Writer


N.C. State football fans embrace Chuck Amato as one of their own. He played for N.C. State. He was an assistant to Lou Holtz and the late Bo Rein. He was a pal of Jim Valvano.
But Amato spent a lot more of his life on a different campus, absorbing a different culture, developing other loyalties. He's an alumnus of N.C. State, but he's also a product of Florida State, the school at which he coached for 18 years under Bobby Bowden.

Since he took over the N.C. State football program in 2000, Amato has worked to add a Seminole streak to the Wolfpack. He arrived in Raleigh after FSU's 12-0 national championship season and wasn't shy about declaring his new team too fat, too slow and too easily intimidated. He wondered whether any State players could start for the Seminoles.

Manny Diaz, an FSU graduate and N.C. State linebackers coach who came north with Amato, said the head coach changed schools but not approaches.

"When we came here, [FSU] was the industry standard," Diaz said. "There were all kinds of ways to be successful, but that was the way Chuck knew the best."

Amato brought in a former Florida State nose guard, Todd Stroud, as strength and conditioning coach. He made N.C. State players leaner.

Amato took it upon himself to make them meaner. Then he set out for Florida with a goal of pulling 10 recruits a year out of the mother lode of talent he once mined for Florida State.

Four years later, is N.C. State starting to look like Florida State? Amato weighed the question like a man who would never say "yes."

"There aren't many teams in America that look like that team we're going to face Saturday," he said.

He set Florida State as an ultimate goal that would motivate the Wolfpack for years. He didn't expect to start with a 2-1 record against that ideal. After State's rocky start this season, another win over FSU (8-2, 6-1 ACC) could put the Wolfpack (7-3, 4-2) in position to gain a share of the ACC championship.

Even if the Wolfpack has gotten past the Seminoles on given days, Amato said his program still trails. The missing element, he said, is depth. FSU can stockpile talent by redshirting freshmen, while State has had to use its freshmen to patch gaps.

N.C. State may not be Florida State's mirror image yet, but the similarity is growing. When the Seminoles line up against the Wolfpack in Tallahassee, Fla., they'll see plenty that they recognize. They'll see speed at all positions. They'll see Floridians. And they'll see a team that expects to win in Doak Campbell Stadium.

Amato brought a new attitude, an emphasis on conditioning and swarming defense from FSU, but what he has mostly brought are players. In 1999, the Wolfpack roster listed two from the Sunshine State. This year, the roster included 30 Floridians.

Of 18 newcomers to the program, 10 are from Florida.

Chris Demarest, N.C. State's safeties coach who also came to Raleigh with Amato, said the Florida influx has helped N.C. State feel it can match the ACC's best program.

"When you played Florida State, there was the intimidation factor. They played with a swagger and had a deep belief they were going to win," Demarest said. "Now they're looking across the field [at N.C. State players] and saying, 'I played him in high school, and his school beat mine.' Our guys feel like, 'You can't beat me.' It's an attitude that's rubbing off even on the kids who aren't from Florida."

For N.C. State's Floridians, playing FSU is a special motivation. N.C. State fans consider North Carolina their archrival, but the Florida players see Florida State in that role. "It's my personal rivalry," said State's Pat Thomas, a junior linebacker out of Miami who has never lost to FSU.

The rivalry is especially intense for those whom FSU passed over.

"A lot of kids who are not recruited play at higher level when they play against [FSU]," Demarest said. "They want to show, 'This is the kind of player I am.' "

Four years into lifting State to the standards he learned at FSU, Amato was asked whether State has any players who could start at FSU now. He smiled and said, "A couple, a couple."

Diaz said the players themselves put the number higher.

"The most important thing is a lot of kids believe they could start with anybody," Diaz said. "You can't underestimate the importance of attitude. When our kids look across at Florida State, there's going to be respect, but there's not going to be an ounce of fear."
 

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FSU Tuesday Football Report
By Florida State Athletics




TALLAHASSEE, Fla. - The No. 11 ranked Florida State Seminoles (8-2, 6-1 ACC) worked out for 21 periods Tuesday afternoon as they continued to prepare for their final conference game of the season against NC State (7-3, 4-2 ACC).


Starting linebackers Allen Augustin and Michael Boulware were held out of practice for the second straight day. Both suffered sprained ankles at Clemson last Saturday.
"We moved practice up an hour with school being out today," said head coach Bobby Bowden. "We went 11 periods with pads and then took them after 11 and worked out in shorts. Tomorrow we'll go out in shorts again because it's getting to be that time of the year. You would rather have them fresh than overworked."

The NC State game is Homecoming for the Seminoles and the final home game for the FSU seniors. Bowden is 26-1 at Florida State in Homecoming games with the lone defeat coming to NC State in 2001 (34-28).

Senior quarterback Philip Rivers leads a Wolfpack passing offense that leads the ACC and ranks fourth nationally with an average of 332.3 yards per game through the air. Rivers is first in the ACC in pass efficiency (11th in NCAA) with a rating of 160.6. He is completing 70.8% of his passes this season. Rivers will face a Seminole defense that leads the ACC and is 10th in the country in pass efficiency defense (99.6).

"They can control the clock with their passer," said Bowden. "There are some quarterbacks that have trouble getting it to the right guy, but Rivers doesn't. Then they've got a dangerous runner (T.A. McClendon) you also have to worry about."

Saturday's game is scheduled for a 3:30 p.m. kickoff and will be televised regionally on ABC.
 

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Rivers making late run back into Heisman race


By DAVID DROSCHAK, AP Sports Writer


RALEIGH -- Heisman Trophy voters who crossed Philip Rivers off their list after two early-season losses by North Carolina State may want to rethink his candidacy.



Rivers, one of the favorites coming into the season, has thrown for 3,318 yards and completed a remarkable 72.2 percent of his passes.



Behind Rivers, the Wolfpack (7-3) has won four straight and remain in contention for a share of the Atlantic Coast Conference title and a BCS bowl.



''It's pretty astonishing that he can do that,'' Maryland coach Ralph Friedgen said of Rivers' completion rate. ''It's a feat because of the number of times they throw the ball.''



''He needs to keep doing what he's doing and we have a chance -- and so does he,'' added N.C. State coach Chuck Amato. ''His numbers are outrageous, not only this year but over the last four years.''



Rivers acknowledges he remains a dark horse behind Oklahoma's Jason White and several other candidates, but season-ending wins over Florida State and Maryland could get the QB back in the race.



''With three losses that hurts. That's been all the negative I hear about the whole thing,'' Rivers told The Associated Press. ''I don't think I necessarily have to have some magical, crazy game, but winning against Florida State is important.''



The Heisman voting can often be hard to handicap. Sometimes the best player on the best team wins, while other years a player gets major consideration for career stats.



If the latter is the case, Rivers should be in the mix. The 6-foot-5 senior is fifth in NCAA history with 12,311 passing yards and holds the ACC records for passing yards, total offense, TD responsibility, TD passes, attempts, completions and 300-yard games.



He's also the only QB in conference history to have three 3,000-yard passing season.



''Even when we had three losses and people were saying it was done, I just said to myself to keep playing,'' Rivers said. ''I just want to say at the end I did all I could do and let it go from there.''



Even if Rivers doesn't win, he would like an opportunity to be one of the five players invited to New York for the award ceremony.



''Just to get a chance to sit up there with the top-notch players in the country would be the utmost honor,'' Rivers said.



''I know White's the favorite and well deserving. His numbers are unbelievable and they are dominating as a team.''



No matter what happens in the next two weeks, Rivers will be content with his stellar career.



''It's not an honor you expect,'' Rivers said of the Heisman. ''There is no failure.



''There have been ups and downs, being at the top of the list early in the year and then off and now kind of back on,'' Rivers said. ''I'm just going to let it all hang out to try to win these next two games. If (the Heisman) comes along with it, great, if not, that's great too.''



Rivers is well within the single-season completion percentage record of 69.5 percent, set by Heisman winner Charlie Ward of Florida State in 1993.



''That's been a big deal for me,'' Rivers said. ''That's something I've concentrated on, just being consistent. It's not the (record) that's the most recognizable, but it would mean a lot as long as this league has been around. It's attainable.''



Few knew in August that Rivers started the season on a major downer. His wife had a miscarriage two weeks before the opener.



''That was an obstacle and I haven't had many,'' Rivers said. ''I've had it pretty good. Most of the things have been great in my career, but that was kind of a different one.



''It was tough, but that was one of those things in life.''







Plenty at stake for Wolfpack in matchup with Fla. State

Raleigh - North Carolina State's trip to Tallahassee this Saturday means a lot more than gaining the respect that comes with beating Florida State.

It means more than angling to improve recruiting in the Sunshine State. It means more than Philip Rivers' second-to-last regular season game in a Wolfpack uniform or a Chuck Amato reunion with his former employers of 18 years.

It could mean an ACC title and spot in the BCS.

Despite having a defense that has been as awful as any in the conference in stretches, the shocking loss at Wake Forest, the questionable third overtime at Ohio State, the last-second win over Connecticut, Chris Colmer's mysterious season-long ailment, T.A. McLendon's injuries, playing numerous true freshmen on defense, and many other injuries, the Wolfpack can play in a BCS game by winning at FSU and then beating Maryland at Carter-Finley Stadium in the season finale.

Talk of State's inability to finish higher than fourth in Amato's tenure, which began with Rivers' arrival, will subside. Amato's record in November would be above .500, and Rivers' Heisman hopes could get new life.

But it won't be easy. The Wolfpack has beaten FSU the last two seasons, and the Seminoles are coming off an ugly upset at up-and-down Clemson. To say FSU will be fired up and ready to play is an understatement.

McLendon must get at least 22 carries. Rivers needs to hook up with Jerricho Cotchery at least six times. Tramain Hall must break open a short pass or end around.

And that very young and athletic defense must create a few turnovers, which would be more likely if they can consistently get to FSU QB Chris Rix.

The odds are against the Wolfpack, but wins the next two weekends would put the program where it has so badly desired to be the last few years ? atop the ACC.
 

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North Carolina State (7-3) At (13) Florida State (8-2)
By Scott Haynes, College Football Senior Editor

GAME NOTES: Few teams in the nation benefited as much from a bye week as North Carolina State did last week. While sitting idle, Chuck Amato's team saw its slim chances of an ACC title become greater with a shocking 26-10 loss by Florida State to Clemson. The loss by the Seminoles leaves the Wolfpack just one game back in the loss column in conference play. With FSU on the docket this week and Maryland in the season-finale, the Wolfpack can claim a share of the league title with a pair of victories. There may not be a team playing better right now than NC State, which comes into this week's clash with the Seminoles on a four-game winning streak. The team's last outing resulted in a thrilling 51-37 win over Virginia back on November 1st. The Seminoles just need a victory this weekend to claim yet another outright ACC title and earn a BCS Bowl bid. The team had the same opportunity last week, but found itself on the losing end in Death Valley. Following this contest, FSU will finish out the regular season with a road trip to Gainesville to tangle with nationally-ranked Florida. FSU leads the all-time series with NC State, 16-7, but it has been the Wolfpack who have gotten the last two wins, including becoming the first ACC team to win a league tilt in Tallahassee two years ago (34-28). Last season, NC State made it two in a row with a 17-7 decision in Raleigh.

Few teams in the ACC are running on all cylinders the way NC State is right now. The team has shown the ability to win both offensive shootouts and defensive struggles during the current win streak. The win over Virginia was all offense, as the Wolfpack rolled up 553 yards of total offense, including 410 through the air. The solid passing game was nothing new for All-American candidate Philip Rivers, who is having yet another superior season in Raleigh. Already the holder of most of the ACC passing records for a career, Rivers added to that with a 410-yard, four TD performance against the Cavaliers. Rivers should be considered one of the finalists for the Heisman this season with the numbers to back it up. He has completed 72.2 percent of his passes thus far, for 3,318 yards and 25 TDs. He has a pair of extremely productive wideouts to look to downfield, in Jerricho Cotchery (57 receptions, for 961 yards and seven TDs) and Tramain Hall (52 catches, for 563 yards and five TDs). When healthy, tailback T.A. McClendon can add balance to this offense. However, the bruising sophomore has only played in six games this season. He is netting 5.2 yards per carry and has five TDs on 81 carries to date.

The defense for NC State has not had the same consistency that the team has enjoyed the last couple of seasons. Still, when it needs to be stingy, it can be. On the year, the numbers don't look to appealing, with NC State allowing 28.3 points per game, on a whopping 412.2 yards of total offense. The rush defense has been adequate (109.8 ypg), but the pass defense has been downright awful. The team is allowing 302.4 yards per game through the air, on 12.0 yards per reception. A lack of big plays has also extended drives for the opposition. NC State has collected just 22 sacks and 14 takeaways in 10 games this season. Big plays will be a must at Doak Campbell Stadium this weekend. Safety Andre Maddox and linebacker Pat Thomas have taken their respective games to new heights in 2003. Both have eclipsed the 100-tackle mark, with Maddox coming in at 114 stops and two sacks. Thomas has made the bigger plays, with 101 tackles to his credit, while pacing the team in TFLs (10) and sacks (six). Fellow linebacker Freddie Aughtry-Lindsay (74 tackles) ranks third on the team in stops, with 8.5 TFLs, two sacks, one interception and one fumble recovery.

The Seminoles found themselves in unfamiliar territory this past weekend, as the offense failed to produce. The team's 10 points represented the lowest scoring output of the season for FSU. On the year, the offense has been much better, averaging 31.7 points per game, on 418.8 yards of total offense. While the rushing attack has failed to materialize (121.8 ypg), the passing game has more than made up for it, ranking 13th nationally at 297.0 yards per game. Quarterback Chris Rix has returned to form for the most part this year, as he has completed 58.0 percent of his passes, for 2,572 yards and 16 TDs. He once again has great athletes to throw to, with wideouts Craphonso Thorpe and P.K. Sam elevating their games. Thorpe has been the biggest surprise, as he is a semifinalist for the Biletnikoff Award, with 46 catches, for 918 yards and nine TDs. Sam is a viable second option, having hauled in 41 balls, for 580 yards and three scores. The backfield has star-power, but the players have not played up to their potential for a number of reasons. Tailback Greg Jones is still a dangerous runner, averaging just over four yards per carry (4.1). He has a team-high six rushing scores.

Despite a rather poor showing against Clemson last week, Florida State still boasts one of the top defenses in the entire nation. The team leads the ACC in scoring defense (third nationally at 12.3 ppg), while ranking 14th nationally in total defense (298.6 ypg). The team has been able to stop the run and the pass for the most part this season, allowing just 110.0 yards per game on the ground and a mere 188.6 yards through the air. This is a defense with playmakers throughout. It starts with a linebacking corps that rivals any in the nation. Michael Boulware headlines the group and currently leads the team in tackles (84). The Butkus Award candidate gets help from fellow LBs Allen Augustin (61 tackles, four TFLs, three sacks) and Kendyll Pope (42 tackles, four TFLs, two sacks). Up front, the team looks to All-American Darnell Dockett to make big plays. The school's all-time leader in TFLs, Dockett does just that. Of his 43 tackles on the year, 14 have come behind the line of scrimmage. His play in the middle of the line allows ends Eric Moore (10 TFLs, 6.5 sacks) and Kevin Emanuel (seven TFLs, three sacks) to make plays from the outside. The secondary is highlighted by safeties Jerome Carter (64 tackles and one INT) and B.J. Ward (62 tackles and one INT) and cornerback Pat Watkins (43 tackles, three INTs).

The Wolfpack have all the ingredients to make it three straight wins over the Seminoles, with Rivers and company. The Seminoles must still be wondering what happened in Death Valley last weekend. With a conference crown and BCS bowl bid on the line, Bobby Bowden will find a way to properly motivate his team to finish the season strong.

Predicted Outcome

Florida State 30, NC State 23
 

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Time to 'Finish'
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This is why Chuck Amato came to NC State - for moments such as this. You can brush aside the disappointment of losses to Wake Forest and Georgia Tech - they don't matter anymore.



Championships matter, and NC State still has a very real, legitimate shot at one (thanks be to Tommy B.).
Regardless of whether Amato was NC State's first, second or 100th choice as head coach almost four years ago, he is getting the job done, though, by his own admission, the job is nowhere near completed.

Within 10 days, Amato may just be able to introduce himself to boosters and recruits as "Chuck Amato, head coach of the ACC Champion NC State Wolfpack," which could lead to "Orange Bowl Champ Chuck Amato." Amato and the Pack are right where most thought they would be before the season started - albeit after taking a slightly detoured route. An ACC title is within site, and everyone knew all along that it would come down to the final two games anyway, right?

Who knows where NCSU football would be now if Amato had been hired after Dick Sheridan retired in 1993: Maybe already a BCS program? Perhaps. But perhaps those seven extra years in Tallahassee were exactly what Amato needed to prepare for the job at hand in Raleigh. For one, he may never have fully realized what it feels like to win a national title. Not only does he know what feels like, he more importantly knows how to get there. It all starts with small steps, such as:

-Changing the attitude of the program, players and fans? Check. -Recruiting quality, "program-building" players? Check. -Learning how to beat your rival(s)? Check. -Dealing with being the hunted, not just the hunter? Check.

The next spot on that checklist could very well be "Winning a conference championship." And if you don't think he has changed the attitude of the program, consider this: the 2003 NC State football season has been a disappointment so far.

It seems to me that Chuck Amato and NC State are more than well on their way.

'Now' ACC Standings

1. Florida State: The Seminoles came tumbling back to earth after that debacle in the Upstate.
2. NC State: It's still a bit of a long shot, but Pack could be BCS-bound ...
3. Maryland: ... though the Terps would love to trip State up.
4 (tie). Clemson and Virginia: Tigers looked like world-beaters last week against FSU; talented Cavaliers have been a disappointment so far.
6 (tie). Georgia Tech and Wake Forest: Hey, you lose to Duke and North Carolina, respectively, and you're bound to drop.
8 (tie). Duke and North Carolina: Yeah, they're both at No. 8 - but with a bullet!


'Later' ACC Standings

1. Virginia Tech
2 (tie). Florida State and Miami
4. NC State
5. Maryland
6 (tie). Clemson and Virginia
8 (tie). Boston College, Georgia Tech and Wake Forest
11 (tie). Duke and North Carolina


This Week's Predictions:

Virginia at Maryland (Thursday): Both teams were off last week, so they should be well prepared and well rested, which should make for a great primetime match-up. UVa is in dire need of a win, but Maryland has too much on the line. 'Wave high your Black and Gold' 28, 'We Come from Old Vir-Gin-I-A' 17

North Carolina at Georgia Tech: Believe it or not, the Tar Heels seem to be getting their stuff together as the season winds to an end. The Yellow Jackets, on the other hand, do not. 'So it's fight, fight, fight for Carolina' 21, 'I'm a Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech and a hell of an engineer' 14

Duke at Clemson: It would be easy for the Tigers to suffer a let-down after such an emotional win over Florida State, but then again, Tommy's not out of the woods yet. 'Hold that Tiger' 34, 'Fight for Duke and the Blue and White' 10

Connecticut at Wake Forest: If the Deacs aren't careful, they will fall to a pretty good UConn squad. Of course, at this point, Wake has no reason to not be on its toes. 'Old Gold and Black is ever waving high' 24, 'UConn Husky, symbol of might to the foe' 10

NC State at Florida State: Oh, boy. Who to pick in this one? On one hand, FSU is coming off a loss, and they tend to win after an 'L.' (But then again, who doesn't?) On the other hand, this isn't a "typical" Seminole team; FSU has been anything but "typical" for a couple of seasons now. On the other side of the field, NC State is playing better than it has all year, and is finally (relatively) healthy. The Noles will be gunning for the Pack, but weren't they last season? This one is too close too call, so we'll give the slight edge to home field advantage. 'For FSU is on the warpath now' 27, 'We're behind you, keep fighting for State' 24

Also ... Miami 32, Syracuse 17
Virginia Tech 52, Temple 10
Boston College 21, Rutgers 7


Prognostication Record This Year (as far as picking the correct winner goes): 44-16
 

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Wolfpack receiver to play through pain at Fla. State against

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By Bob Sutton

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RALEIGH ? Richard Washington is still hurting, his ribs wrapped tightly as he goes through North Carolina State football practices this week.
This isn?t about to stop the sophomore receiver from playing his first game against Florida State on Saturday when the Wolfpack tries to keep alive its hopes of finishing in first place in the Atlantic Coast Conference.
?It?s time to rock and roll,? Washington said. ?It?s time to go get some Seminoles.?
Of course, they?ll be ready to get him, too.
Washington suffered two broken ribs Oct. 25 at Duke, resulting from the end of a play when a Duke defender put a crunching hit on him.
He said he knows Florida State defenders will be looking to multiply the pain, but that?s not going to curtail the Ft. Myers, Fla., resident?s desire to be on the field at Doak Campbell Stadium in Tallahassee, Fla.
He said he knows he must not be scared.
?But I?m going out there with the mentality (that) I?m not going to get tackled,? he said. ?I?m going to try to score every time.?
Washington didn?t practice for two weeks, aided by the Wolfpack?s open date on the schedule. This week, he?s wearing a pink jersey meaning he?s offlimits for defenders eager to make a hit.
?We?re not going to find out until Saturday (how much he can absorb),? N.C. State coach Chuck Amato said. ?He will not get touched in practice here.?
Teammate Jerricho Cotchery, a senior receiver who has ventured into the Florida State secondary before, said Washington?s conditioning should be fine. But he suspects that the Florida State defensive backs will seek out Washington.
?Once he gets that first hit out of the way, and he?s going to get it quick, then he?ll be OK,? Cotchery said.
Washington, who sat out last season for academic reasons, said it was difficult to watch the team?s last game, a dramatic victory Nov. 1 against Virginia. He wants to be part of the action again.
It?s particularly important to him because Saturday?s game is in his home state. His role model as a high school player was former Florida State receiver Peter Warrick.
Despite missing two games (also the opener), Washington is the Wolfpack?s third-leading receiver with 392 yards and four touchdowns.
?I can run full speed,? Washington said. ?I can run. It?s just that hit that I?m waiting for.?
And they?ll be waiting for him, too.



Pack hopes ball control dismantles Seminoles

11-13-03

By Tim Peeler Staff Writer
News & Record




RALEIGH -- If there is one reason why N.C. State's football team has beaten Florida State the last two years, it has been the Wolfpack's ability to keep the ball away from the Seminoles' high-powered offense.

And the credit for that goes to the Wolfpack's similarly potent unit, led by senior quarterback Philip Rivers.

Last year, the Wolfpack offense held the ball for 40 of the game's 60 minutes and a fresh State defense did not allow the Seminoles to score an offensive touchdown. Rivers did his part, not by throwing long passes or setting up trick plays, but by sustaining long drives and converting third downs.

And, if Chuck Amato's team hopes to pull off its third straight victory and move into a first-place tie in the ACC standings, it has to do the same on Saturday at Doak Campbell Stadium.

"The best way to stop (their offense) is to make them sit over there on the bench," Amato said. "We had the ball 40 minutes last year, and their quarterback (Adrian McPherson) took all the heat for that loss.

"But it is hard ? to produce offensively if you don't have the at-bats on the field, and having our offense on the field kept him from getting them."

So Florida State's hope is to keep Rivers off the field as much as possible, something it hasn't done very well the last two years.

"We can't let No. 17 be out on the field all day and expect to have a lot of success against him," Florida State defensive coordinator Mickey Andrews said.

Last year, the Wolfpack had two drives of at least 16 plays that took longer than eight minutes. While neither resulted in any points, they wore down Florida State's defense.

Two years ago, when the Wolfpack became the first ACC team to beat the Seminoles at Doak Campbell Stadium, Rivers and Ray Robinson helped State put 34 points on the scoreboard, but it was a single drive late in the game that sealed the victory as much as Brian Williams' deflection of a Chris Rix pass into the end zone on the final play of the game.

The Wolfpack got the ball with 9:54 remaining in the game on its own 15-yard line. For the next 7:43 on the game clock, Rivers and Robinson churned out 17 straight plays that put the Wolfpack on the Seminoles' 14. The Wolfpack was in range for a 32-yard field goal that gave it a 34-28 lead, and, perhaps more importantly, left only 2:11 on the clock.

"He just eats up the clock, eats up the clock, eats up the clock with the control passing game," Florida State coach Bobby Bowden said of Rivers. "That's just as dangerous as those dadgum passes for touchdown."

In fact, Rivers, who was named Wednesday as one of 15 finalists for the Walter Camp Award player of the year, has only thrown one of his ACC-record 86 touchdown passes against the Seminoles, and that came in his freshman season when the Seminoles whipped the Wolfpack 58-14.

But he has been able to hand the ball off to productive running backs and complete short passes that eat time off the clock.

In both victories, the Wolfpack had more rushes than passes, something that has happened 20 times in Rivers' 48 career starts. And Robinson and McLendon were both among the top receivers in the game, with Robinson catching eight passes for 34 yards two years ago and McLendon catching three of 29 yards. Those things have helped the Wolfpack convert 15 of 34 third- and fourth-down plays.

For Rivers, putting together long drives is almost more rewarding than hitting an 80-yard touchdown pass to Jerricho Cotchery.

"You see the defense looking like, 'Holy cow, when are we ever going to stop them?' " Rivers said. "It gets later and later in the game and you are on your ninth or 10th play and you can see them getting tired."

With McLendon relatively healthy again, Rivers might get the chance to throw the ball downfield a little more often, mixing runs with his team's trademark short passes and deep throws off play-action passes. He might even be able to score quickly on long passes.

The question, based on what's happened the last two years, is why would he want to.
 

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Bowden - Amato Relationship Unshakeable
Intense competition doesn't burden strong bond.


Nov. 13, 2003



By Tony Haynes

Raleigh, N.C.-The always gracious Bobby Bowden had every reason to be anything but gracious this week. After all, it was his own son, Tommy, who denied him the outright ACC championship last Saturday night when Tommy's Clemson Tigers stunned Bobby's Florida State Seminoles in Death Valley. To make matters worse, he was about to have another encounter with longtime FSU assistant Chuck Amato, whose NC State Wolfpack will be trying to upend the Seminoles for the third straight time this Saturday afternoon in a game that could have major BCS bowl implications.

But on Wednesday night, just three days before they were to meet in the biggest ACC game of the season, there they were, yucking it up on Amato's weekly radio show. During a 15-minute segment, the two coaches took jabs at their wives' shopping habits, while also catching up on the old days when they worked together in Tallahassee.





For 18 years, Amato was Bowden's right-hand man, a top-notch defensive coach who also was responsible for many of the daily administrative duties normally reserved for the head coach. Along the way, the Seminoles won a pair of national titles and set a remarkable NCAA mark by winning 10 or more games in 14 consecutive seasons.

It was a partnership that was perfect for both parties. Amato would handle some of the non-football related responsibilities that Bowden no longer wanted to attend to, while Amato soaked up knowledge, learning from a master who would eventually become college football's all-time winningest coach.

When the two friends stood on opposite sidelines and faced each other for the first time in 2000, the teacher bested the pupil as Florida State pounded the outmanned Wolfpack, 58-14. The very next year, however, NC State became the first ACC team to win a conference game in Tallahassee when it posted a dramatic 34-28 win over the Noles.

When he met his mentor at midfield following the game, Amato broke into tears, not knowing what to say to his former boss. And then last season, Amato's Wolfpack did it again, whipping FSU in Raleigh, 17-7.

Now comes a fourth meeting, a game that carries much more importance than any of the first three. And while they'd be the first to admit that they'll be trying to beat each other's brains out on Saturday, Amato and Bowden won't allow the heated competition to become a wall that separates them or their families.

"It's as strong as it was," Bowden responded when asked if the relationship had taken a hit in the wake of NC State's back-to-back wins over Florida State. "He's just beaten us with a masterful job of coaching and plans. It couldn't diminish [the relationship]."

One reason it won't be diminished is because Amato tries to talk to Bowden at least once a week. After taking advantage of the opportunity to pick Bowden's brain everyday for 18 years, he figures why stop now?

"I talk to him quite frequently," Amato said. "We've had a thing on the radio show the last few years where he comes on the Wednesday night before we play. I called last week to see if he would do it again and he said 'what time?' He was so generous to me when I was there, and he's been just as generous or more since I've left. He came last year to our high school coaches' clinic on a day that they were going to have spring football practice. Now there's not a lot of people that would do that. I am not afraid to get him on the phone and ask him for advice on so many things. It's a great person to be able to call and we are, at least on my behalf, awfully good friends."

If you're going to be a copy cat, you might as well copy the best, which is why many of the little idiosyncrasies that Bowden has put in place at Florida State are now a part of the NC State program. Whether it's how players are required to setup their lockers or the pre-game warm-up routine, the similarities are remarkable.

"If you watch warm-ups on Saturday, we'll be doing the exact same things," said Wolfpack quarterback Philip Rivers. "Certainly, there a lot of things that are similar about both programs."

There's one other major similarity: Both programs want to be number one. With a win on Saturday, Florida State will clinch its 10th ACC title since joining the league in 1992. NC State, of course, wants a share of the championship, something it can't have without yet another win over the Seminoles.

But regardless of what happens in Tallahassee, the strong bond between the two head coaches will remain unbroken.
 

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Where is the FSU run game?
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The performance of Florida State Seminoles (11) running back Greg Jones sums up the FSU running game this year.

Jones is on pace for the fewest carries in three years and he has just 457 yards in 10 games. Last season he had 938 yards in nine games.

The Seminoles running game doesn't fare much better than Jones. At 121.6 yards a crack, FSU ranks 89th in the country in rushing.

"A lot of it is the early success we had running the football," Florida State head coach Bobby Bowden told the Palm Beach Post this week. "The other team sees that and when they start working their game plan, they say we're not going to let Florida State run the football."

Part of the blame also rests on Jones's knee. He tore his MCL at the end of last season and still hasn't found his form.

"I don't have all my strength back," Jones told reporters. "I'm still working on it every day. It's real disappointing when you have high goals in the preseason and in the season your goals are not met."

Carries are another major reason why FSU (8-2 this season) rushes for so few yards. In a loss to Clemson as a 17-point favorite, Jones and backup Leon Washington combined for 10 carries and 18 yards. The Seminoles finished with 17 carries on the day.

Injuries also play a part in the rushing woes. Both of Jones's backups - Leon Washington and Lorenzo Booker - suffered injuries early in the season.

The inexperienced FSU offensive line, which doesn't possess on senior, also got banged up early.

Teams have zoned in on FSU's running inadequacies. Clemson blitzed the Seminoles all day, which forced inconsistent junior quarterback Chris Rix to throw. Unfortunately for the Noles, Rix had an off day with a 16-for-31, 194-yard game and two interceptions before being pulled.

Still, Bowden makes no excuses for the lack of RB carries.

"We will not go out on the field and spend a lot of time trying to establish the running game," Bowden said Tuesday, "I think the big thing is, you have six blockers up there. If they put seven in the box, all seven of them can get to the ball if you don't touch them."

The lack of rushing hasn't stopped Florida State from winning in the past. In 1997, the Seminoles went 10-1 while the team rushed for 112.1 yards a game.

But without a running game, FSU's offensive game plan is exposed to opponents to teams like North Carolina State (7-3). If the Wolfpack wins this Saturday, they are back in the ACC title hunt.

N.C. State beat FSU two years in a row.

Oddsmakers favor Florida State over N.C. State in Tallahassee by 13 1/2 points and the 'total' is set at 54 1/2.


Bowden questions FSU's effort
Associated Press


TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Florida State's national title dreams are over, and a spot in a Bowl Championship Series game isn't locked up, either. And it's all because of a lack of effort, according to Seminoles coach Bobby Bowden.

``They wanted it worse than we did,'' Bowden said the day after his team was embarrassed by Clemson 26-10, a loss that knocked Florida State out of the national championship picture.

The game could help Bowden's son, Tommy, keep his job as the Tigers' coach.

``Tommy needed a win more than I did, but my team needed it more than his team did,'' Bowden said. ``Now we've got to fight for the conference championship and a big bowl game.''

Florida State (8-2, 6-1 Atlantic Coast Conference) fell 10 spots in The Associated Press poll, all the way to No. 13 in the rankings released Sunday. Now the Seminoles need to win their homecoming game Saturday against North Carolina State to ensure it can return to a BCS game.


``We've really got our work cut out there,'' Bowden said. ``They've got maybe the best quarterback (Philip Rivers) in the country. ... It's down to where we've got to do it.''

The Clemson game was one of the most inept Florida State performances during the Bowden era. And now the Seminoles seem to suffer from the same problems that sent it into a tailspin last season, when they started 4-0 but finished 9-5.

``Definitely no consistency,'' said Bowden, whose team has not beaten a ranked team yet this season.

Bowden, who observed his 74th birthday on Saturday, said he was confident at halftime the Seminoles would rally from a 13-0 deficit as they did in final 10 minutes of the game to defeat Georgia Tech 14-13 earlier in the season.

But no rally materialized and the hole just kept getting deeper. Florida State's lone touchdown came with 2:14 remaining and with the Seminoles down by 23.

``We had time to do it, we just didn't make the plays,'' Bowden said. ``They forced us out of our game plan.''

Quarterback Chris Rix is now 22-9 as a starter and had three turnovers on Saturday, but Bowden said he'll start against the Wolfpack.

Still, Bowden cautioned that he might turn to backup Fabian Walker earlier if Rix struggles. Plus, redshirt freshman Wyatt Sexton may get extra time in practice this week.

``I'm not confident in anybody right now,'' Bowden said.

For the first time in more than a decade, the three Florida powers -- Miami, Florida and Florida State -- are all out of title contention by early November.

A win on Saturday would wrap up the ACC title and guarantee a BCS berth. A loss, and the Seminoles would need some help to win the conference.

``Last year we didn't handle losses very well,'' Bowden said. ``This year I think we know how to handle 'em.''

Rix will start for FSU
Associated Press

ALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Florida State junior quarterback Chris Rix will keep his starting role Saturday when the 13th-ranked Seminoles host North Carolina State, offensive coordinator Jeff Bowden said Monday.

Bowden reiterated the stance his father, head coach Bobby Bowden, took Sunday following the Seminoles' 26-10 loss to Clemson.

"I just don't think we are getting into a change yet," Jeff Bowden said.

Against Clemson, Rix was intercepted twice and a lost fumble before being pulled for Fabian Walker in the fourth quarter with the Seminoles trailing 23-3.

Walker, whose lone start came in January's Sugar Bowl loss to Georgia, had the Seminoles' only touchdown, a 71-yard pass to Chauncey Stovall. He finished 11-of-21 for 164 yards, all career highs.

However, the younger Bowden said Walker's performance wasn't enough to dethrone the embattled Rix, who was benched for four games last season after poor play.


He said Saturday's loss, which knocked the Seminoles out of the national title picture, couldn't be blamed on any one player.

"I don't think that thought is in anybody's mind right now unless (the media) or somebody wants to place blame," Bowden said. "You can't do it. ... We picked Saturday to play about as bad as we could have played across the board."

Before Monday's practice Bobby Bowden held a team meeting to reaffirm Florida State's goals. Bowden said foremost that his team must forget the loss and focus on NC State. A win Saturday would give the Seminoles the ACC title and the conference's guaranteed BCS bowl bid.

"Winning your conference is just so darn important nowadays because it is locked into the BCS, so that's why I met them just to make sure everyone understood," Bowden said.

The Seminoles were without starting fullback B.J. Dean (knee sprain) and linebackers Michael Boulware and Allen Augustin (left ankle sprains) in Monday's practice. The status of all three for Saturday is unclear.
 

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Connect dots for ACC bowls

The ACC has contracts for six bowl slots, and with three weeks to go in the regular season they all remain in play. Based on what we're hearing, we offer these projections:

BCS: If Florida State beats N.C. State on Saturday, it clinches the ACC title and a BCS spot. With two losses, Florida State probably doesn't qualify for the Sugar Bowl, but there are scenarios that could put the Seminoles in the Orange, Fiesta or even Rose. If Florida State loses to N.C. State and N.C. State beats Maryland, the Wolfpack would still have to be within five spots in the BCS standings to get the BCS bid.

Gator, Jan. 1: N.C. State will split its last two conference games with Florida State and Maryland to finish 8-4. But the Gator had N.C. State last year, so it will take Maryland, which will win two of its last three with Virginia, N.C. State and Wake Forest to finish 8-4.

Chick-fil-A Peach, Jan. 2: The Peach will not hesitate to take N.C. State and quarterback Philip Rivers, who will be playing his final college game. If Ole Miss doesn't win the SEC championship, the Peach would love to match Rivers vs. Eli Manning.

Tangerine, Dec. 22: Clemson has a chance to go 8-4 by winning its last two games with Duke and South Carolina. But the Tigers were in the Orlando game last year and were embarrassed by Texas Tech 55-15. So if Georgia Tech (5-4) or Virginia (5-4) can become bowl eligible and come within one conference win of Clemson, the winner of their game on Nov. 22 could get this slot.

Continental Tire, Dec. 27: If Georgia Tech or Virginia lands in the Tangerine, Clemson will make the short drive up I-85 to Charlotte to face a team from the Big East.

Humanitarian, Jan. 3: If Virginia and Georgia Tech become bowl eligible, the loser of their game on Nov. 22 plays on the blue rug in Boise. Two reasons no ACC team wants to make this trip: 1) It will be very cold; 2) They'll probably have to play Boise State (8-1), a very good team.

By Doug Carlson
Special to ESPN.com

Not that long ago, the best place for promoting North Carolina State quarterback Philip Rivers' Heisman campaign would have been on the side of a milk carton. His team had gone missing, and his own accomplishments had shriveled into numbers on an agate page.


"They think Philip Rivers fell off the face of the earth," Wolfpack coach Chuck Amato complained of the reaction to Rivers' superb 410-yard, four-touchdown passing performance in a Nov. 1 victory against Virginia.



Philip Rivers and NC State are back in the BCS bowl race.
The game went almost unnoticed outside of Tobacco Road, where four ACC teams have a place in preseason top-25 basketball polls and none are ranked in football.


But, wait, football season isn't over yet. Not even on Tobacco Road. Especially not in Raleigh.


Rivers, Amato and the Wolfpack are suddenly starting over again -- in full pursuit of an Atlantic Coast Conference title and a BCS bowl bid. Those goals, which recently seemed unattainable, are back in focus, thanks to Florida State's loss at Clemson last week.


"You certainly saw a little more boost of energy around here on Sunday and Monday when we ran and practiced," Rivers said. "Because there's a crack. ... The door has opened a little bit."


To take advantage, North Carolina State will have to do something only it has done previously by winning an ACC game in Tallahassee.


The Seminoles, no longer a factor in the national championship race, haven't lost a league game at home since their 39-0 record in the ACC was ruined by North Carolina State two years ago. That was in Amato's first game back at Doak Campbell Stadium since spending 18 seasons as an assistant to Bobby Bowden.


Rivers directed a 17-play drive covering nearly eight minutes of the fourth quarter to give NC State a 34-28 lead on a field goal with 2:11 to play. The Seminoles' comeback attempt ended at the Wolfpack 14-yard line when Chris Rix threw two incompletions in the endzone before time expired.


The performance helped establish Rivers as more than just a good ACC quarterback. Two years later, he's the league record holder in every major passing category and is positioned to finish as the second-most prolific passer in NCAA history, trailing only Ty Detmer.


Rivers, with 12,311 passing yards in four seasons, this year leads the nation in accuracy (72.2-percent) and has thrown for 25 touchdowns against only six interceptions. His 3,318 yards (331.8 yards a game) rates fourth-best nationally.


The Seminoles, ordinarily disinterested in something as plain as an ACC title (they've won 11 of them in 12 seasons as a member) have had to reassess.


Though they're guaranteed at least a share of the league championship, a loss on Saturday would jeopardize their chances of claiming the ACC's BCS bowl berth. A team thinking Sugar Bowl a week ago could wind up in the Gator Bowl.


"It's a game we've got to have, but we felt like we had to have that one last week, too," Bowden said. "We have to gather up and see where we broke down, see if we can't get back."


While Rivers remains a Heisman long-shot, he's excited about finishing off his career with two games that will have a great deal of significance for the Wolfpack, which has won four consecutive games since a loss at Georgia Tech in October. NC State concludes its schedule at home against Maryland on Nov. 22.


"This has kind of been a crazy race and a crazy season," Rivers said. "To think we'd end up right here and still be in the mix -- none of us, nobody would have thought it after that Georgia Tech loss."


Amato couldn't be happier about the change of fortune.


"I don't know, nobody nationally ever talks about us anymore," he said. "We're just going to do our darndest to win this football game, and if we do then maybe somebody will take notice."




Doug Carlson covers college football for the Tampa Tribune.
 

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RALEIGH - You can almost see Tallahassee from here, but can you see Miami on the distant bowl horizon? Pasadena?

The N.C. State Wolfpack, one of America's greatest teams in August, will rediscover its football vision Saturday evening at Florida State or will slink off into the hazy holiday mist, destination unknown and possibly uninviting.

Coach Chuck Amato's fourth edition needs a third consecutive victory over the Seminoles to sustain pursuit of the ACC championship and a delightful bowl prize. The ACC winner almost certainly will proceed to the Orange Bowl, although the Rose and Fiesta remain peripheral options.

The Sugar Bowl will stage the title game, matching the top two teams in the Bowl Championship Series rankings. No. 1 Oklahoma and Southern Cal lead the parade at the moment, but moments change.

"I know Oklahoma looks awfully, awfully, awfully good," Amato said. "People may be playing to stay out of the daggone Sugar Bowl. That might be happening with the rest of those teams. Nobody wants to go down there and play. They have to realize they do have six months to get ready for their next season."

Ohio State, which worked triple overtime to beat the Wolfpack (7-3, 4-2) on Sept. 13, lurks in the shrubs at No. 3. If the Buckeyes can defeat Purdue at home and Michigan on the road, they could sneak past Southern Cal even if the Trojans win their remaining tripleheader (Arizona, UCLA, Oregon State). Nobody has mastered the vagaries of the BCS formula better than Ohio's acorn heads, who squeezed past N.C. State, San Diego State, Bowling Green and Penn State.

"Look at Ohio State again," Amato said. "They won the national championship last year and had - what was it, 13 ugly wins? And guess what? They're right there again. Every week, they're going to get beat again. They're right there again, but that's the way it is."

Florida State, the No. 3 BCS club the previous week, blew up like a cheap beach ball at Clemson and sank to 13th. The Seminoles (8-2, 6-1 ACC) can clinch the title outright or wilt with only Florida left on the schedule. A Wolfpack double cheeseburger - FSU now, Maryland at home Nov. 22 - would create an ACC tie and presumably vault State ahead in the polls.

Few geniuses picked Tommy Bowden over Bobby Bowden, and those who did were accused of crack addiction. But it happened, a twist even more stunning than the Wolfpack's false start at Wake Forest or meltdown at Georgia Tech.

"I really think we all have to get used to this," Amato said. "That's what parity's all about. It's very difficult to get up every week, week in and week out. Kids are kids. They look at somebody on the schedule and say: 'We can kind of chill out this week. We don't have to work hard. We don't have to prepare, because our blood and guts is better than their blood and guts.' Yeah."

Bowl scenarios remain fluid. Even Oklahoma must beat Baylor, explosive Texas Tech and another team in the Big 12 title game. Louisiana State ranks third in the AP poll, but only brazen bettors would charge into a four-game combo of Alabama and Mississippi on the road, Arkansas at home and the SEC title game.

The Wolfpack could split its final two games and still return to the Gator, the ACC's second-best bowl connection. That might suit Sunshine State recruiter Amato, but many Wolfpack fans prefer the shorter trip to familiar Atlanta for the Peach. The pecking order - which doesn't necessarily match the pure order of conference standings - includes the No. 4 Tangerine in Orlando, No. 5 tire in Charlotte and No. 6 Humanitarian in Boise, Idaho.

In N.C. State's case, bowl speculation takes a back seat to FSU. The Seminoles, although faster and thus superficially reminiscent of Bowden's great teams, haven't recaptured the old magic. They finished 17-9 the previous two seasons after losing only six games in the five seasons before that. FSU buried Maryland, Colorado and some inferior league opponents early, so analysts conveniently overlooked the one-point escape against Georgia Tech and the flat notes in the Miami loss.

The Wolfpack smells a great chance now, perhaps the last wide window of opportunity for a while. This is quarterback Philip Rivers' final run. The ACC's career passing king ranks first nationally in accuracy this season (72 percent) and fourth in total offense for all time (12,352 yards, 2,303 behind leader Ty Detmer of Brigham Young).

"Take the football out of it," Amato said. "He's just a model citizen. He's a model person, and now he' a model father and a parent and husband and everything else. I'm sure I upset some of those football players when I say this: When I think of N.C. State football, there's one name that always came in my mind.

"I was never really around him, and his name was Roman Gabriel. He was, to my opinion, the greatest player. He was an All-American. He threw for 2,900 yards in three years. Philip has thrown for over 3,000 yards in three straight years. It took 40 years to replace Roman Gabriel. I just hope it doesn't take 40 more to replace Philip Rivers."

Amato and Rivers waited four games to regain balance after the Georgia Tech stumble. The model quarterback can repair the ACC title model and maybe even rejoin the Heisman field at FSU.

If you can win in Tallahassee this time of year, you can see almost forever

It's a matter of perception


State has blueprint for Doak Campbell win
N.C. State will try to call on the ghosts of 2001 for a second-straight Homecoming win at Florida State.
11.14.2003

Matt Middleton
Sports Editor


That ball hung in the air for a lifetime. Floating toward the right corner of the end zone, the Chris Rix-lofted pigskin seemed to be coming down affixed to a parachute.

But with a handful of Florida State wide-outs waiting for the delivery, Wolfpack cornerback Brian Williams, now a member of the NFL's Minnesota Vikings, managed to bat the ball down and preserve State's 34-28 upset win over FSU, two years ago in Tallahassee.

State players rushed the field. Some cried. Others pointed towards the sky, as the stunned Seminole faithful looked on. Looked on as one man could only bear to watch them.

"Oh, that last play. I couldn't tell [what happened] but I looked at the crowd," Wolfpack coach Chuck Amato remembered early this week after practice. "I figured if he would have caught it, the crowd would have gone wild, [and] if the crowd was silent he didn't."

They were as loud as a library. Game over. Homecoming spoiled. The first ever win by an ACC team in Tallahassee in 40 tries.

It was Bobby Bowden's first-ever Homecoming loss, but there was still one man undefeated at FSU homecomings - Amato, who was extra emotional after the game in a place he spent 18 years under the tutelage of Bowden.

"I've been around Chuck to know he's emotional, especially in something that's a major event," Bowden said earlier this week. "It shows what kind of guy he is."

Amato's team had played its most complete game of the year that day. For 35 minutes, the Pack controlled the ball, rushing for 187 yards and passing for 276 more. Both the passing and the rushing yards were attributed to State's offense, which was full of formation shifts and pre-snap movement that fooled the Seminoles all game.

"A couple of times we hiked the ball, and they weren't even lined up," wide receiver Jerricho Cotchery remembered.

The 34 points scored by State's offense were the second-most the Seminole defense had ever given up in an ACC game, trailing only Torry Holt's five-touchdown day in 1997, a 48-35 State loss.

"We try to get defenses to think rather than play," assistant head coach Doc Holliday said.

Judging by the numbers, FSU must have been doing quite a bit of thinking, although Holliday is quick to point out the Seminoles adjusted well to the offense last year. State managed just one offensive touchdown, instead depending on its defense for a 17-7 win.

So, what offensive surprises does the Pack have in store this time around?

"The coaches have been working all week, we've got some more great plays ready," Cotchery said with a grin, divulging nothing more.
 

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It's a matter of perception

BY AL FEATHERSTON : The Herald-Sun
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Nov 14, 2003 : 12:48 am ET

RALEIGH -- This is a tale of two quarterbacks.

Two quarterbacks who are very much alike, yet very, very different.

They came out of high school in the same year, joined rival ACC programs and are likely to end their careers as the top two passers in league history. One was a California golden boy, celebrated as one of the nation's top prospects. The other came from a small town in Alabama, where he was a recruiting afterthought.

While both have enjoyed considerable success on the college level, one is beloved by his team's fan base and is celebrated as the greatest quarterback in his school's history. The other is reviled by his team's fans and, according to his veteran coach, the target for more abuse than any player has received in the last quarter century.

The latter is Chris Rix, of course, Florida State's gifted but troubled quarterback. Sure, he's thrown for 6,990 yards in his career -- more than any junior in ACC history, except for the quarterback he'll face Saturday. He's guided FSU to a 22-9 record in his 31 career starts, which sounds pretty good until you remember that the guy he replaced was 32-2 as a starter.

N.C. State's Philip Rivers is 33-15 as a starter in Raleigh, which isn't quite as good a winning percentage (68.75) as Rix has recorded at FSU (70.96). Of course, the Pack was a mere 22-24 in the four years before Rivers' arrival, so it's not hard to understand why Rivers' record is more appreciated in Raleigh than Rix's is in Tallahassee.

But there's more to it than that. Rivers is the model of consistency, while Rix frustrates Florida State fans with his wild performance swings.

"It's a case of he has more ups than downs," FSU coach Bobby Bowden said. "The downs are like losses -- they stand out more. Really, he has a lot more ups than downs."

Maybe so, but Bowden himself benched his gifted quarterback last season after a mistake-filled performance against Notre Dame. And he wasn't very complimentary last week after a dismal performance by Rix and the FSU offense led to an upset loss at Clemson.

Was that Rix's fault?

"I know last week the statistics were not good," Bowden said. "Then when I look back at the film, several times we had routes where the receiver was supposed to run this, but he ran something else. It was lack of communication and it ends up with the ball going way out in space somewhere and everybody's saying, 'Boy, the quarterback's really throwing bad.'

"So a lot of that, I think he catches the heat."

How much heat? Last Sunday, some irate Seminole fan draped a huge homemade sign over a billboard on the road leading to Doak Campbell Stadium. The two-word message was a sharp (and borderline obscene) criticism of the FSU quarterback.

Rix has heard it before.

"You should see the e-mails and the messages I get on my answering machine and what I hear people saying behind my back," Rix told the Orlando Sentinel. "I know people don't like me. I go on Warchant [an FSU internet message board] sometimes to see what the fans are saying, and it's sad sometimes."

Probably no one better understands what Rix has to face than his opposite number.

"I think he's a great quarterback," Rivers said. "[The criticism] does come with the position. When you have a good game and win, you're going to get a lot of praise. You're going to get the headline.

"And when you lose, that's who they point to. That's because you have the ball in your hand on most every play. I'm not down there and seeing the heat he's taking. That's not necessarily speaking directly on his behalf ... I think that's any quarterback. You're not going to play great every week and when you don't, it's how you bounce back which determines what kind of player you are."

The irony is that Rivers could have wound up in Tallahassee. He still remembers his experience at Bowden's summer football camp.

"It was great camp," Rivers said. "All the Bowdens were there, then you had a bunch of coaches from around the country. You got a lot or learning, a lot of teaching. Then you play a lot of games at night. I remember Coach Tommy Bowden. I was with him ... he was with my station a bunch. I had to go to wideout at times because they were short on guys, and I remember him calling me a tall drink of water. I was a little lanky 10th grader."

N.C. State coach Chuck Amato was a defensive assistant on Bowden's staff in those days. And he still remembers seeing Rivers' name on the FSU recruiting board.

"Rix had already committed like the March before that," Amato said. "There were just some names hanging there in case Rix decided to go to UCLA or Southern Cal or some other school."

That could have happened. Rix was rated one of the nation's premier prospects after his senior season at Rancho Santa Margarita High School. He led the California prep stars to a 21-11 victory over a Florida all-star team in the prep Rose Bowl.

Rivers got little national attention after his senior year at Athens (Ala.) High School. Nearby Auburn wanted him -- as a tight end.

But it was the unheralded Rivers, the first player recruited at N.C. State by Amato, who was thrust into the starting role in the first game of his freshman season. Rix had the luxury of redshirting a year behind Heisman Trophy winner Chris Weinke.

Rix started as a redshirt freshman, but it didn't take him long to start dividing the FSU fan base. Three games into his first season as a starter, Rix threw two interceptions and coughed up a key fumble -- typically after a brilliant scramble for an apparent first down -- as Florida State suffered a stunning 41-9 loss at North Carolina.

It didn't help that Florida State's string of ACC titles ended in Rix's first year as a starter. Or that a program that celebrated 14 straight 10-win seasons hasn't hit that plateau in his three years as a regular. Adding to his image problems, last season Rix became the focus of a public rift between the majority of his teammates who wanted to see Adrian McPherson at quarterback and the handful who supported Rix.

That's a sharp contrast to Rivers, who has enjoyed the unquestioned support of his teammates since that rainy night in 2000 when he rallied the Pack to an overtime victory over Arkansas State in his first college game.

"He's a great player," senior wide receiver Jerricho Cotchery said. "We have all the confidence in Phil. We know he's going to come out prepared. To have that out of your leader, that boosts everyone else's confidence."

Rix has undercut his support at times with his off-the-field behavior. He was suspended for last year's Sugar Bowl when he overslept and missed a final exam in a religion class. And last summer he was ticketed for using someone else's handicapped placard to park in a handicapped space.

That's also in sharp contrast to Rivers' squeaky clean image.

"I've said this many, many times," Amato said. "After his freshman year, I said that if Philip stays healthy, it will be immeasurable what that young man will do for this university and for this football program and for this community. You can't put a price tag on it.

"Take the football out of it. He's a model citizen and a model person, and now he's a model father and a parent and a husband."

Of course, none of that matters on the football field. It's all about performance, and the bottom line is that while Rix's performance has been very good -- even great -- at times, he hasn't matched Rivers' overall production at N.C. State.

Rix has two more games this season and all of next year to change his legacy. Bowden, for one, thinks it's still possible for the troubled quarterback to leave a positive mark at Florida State.

"He's showing improvement," Bowden said. "You're supposed to get better every year. I think he's gotten better, and he's still got a lot to learn."
 

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'The same exact thing'
Seminoles, Wolfpack run similar defensive schemes, with different outcomes

By LORENZO PEREZ, Staff Writer

Receiver Tramain Hall and other N.C. State offensive players studied tape of Florida State's stingy defense this week and came away with a severe case of deja vu.
The uniforms on the video looked different, but the defense on display appeared to Hall and others like a carbon copy of the Wolfpack defense they practice against four days a week.

Your place for fun facts and more before Saturday's game between Florida State and N.C. State.

WHO WAS DOAK CAMPBELL?

Doak S. Campbell, after whom Florida State's football stadium is named, was the school's president from 1941-57 and helped develop the intercollegiate athletics program there.

To help finance the stadium, which opened in 1950 with a capacity of 15,000, a five-year season ticket was offered for $50, and FSU players helped paint the stadium for $1 an hour. It now seats 82,000.

That's not exactly a surprise, considering that N.C. State coach Chuck Amato was a Florida State assistant under Bobby Bowden for 18 years. But it gives N.C. State players at least some measure of confidence going into Saturday's game against the Seminoles in Tallahassee, Fla.

"It's the same thing, the same exact thing," Hall said of Florida State's defense. "We go against it every day, so it shouldn't be a problem when we go out there with what we want to run.

"Every day in practice it's been like, 'I know when this guy will come, I know what this guy will do, I know that he's going to put his hand on me at a certain time.' It's almost identical."

"Almost" is a key word in that description. N.C. State has the top rushing defense in the ACC, but in other statistical comparisons, the Wolfpack defense falls below Florida State's this season.

"There are similarities," Bowden said this week, "but you wouldn't say they are exactly similar."

The Seminoles rank second in the league in total defense, having allowed 298.6 yards a game, while N.C. State ranks seventh. No one in the ACC has given up fewer points a game than Florida State's 12.3 -- the nation's third-best average -- while N.C. State has allowed 28.3 and has the league's worst pass defense.

The statistical comparison was closer last season, when N.C. State's defense wasn't nearly so young and it topped the ACC in most categories.

Amato was quick this week to discount his offensive players' theory that practicing against the N.C. State defense was enough to prepare them for the quickness of Florida State.

"They see the same schemes," Amato said, "but it's not run at the same speed. That's the big difference."

Regarding that renowned Florida State team speed, N.C. State offensive lineman Sean Locklear said this season's Seminoles' defense ranks high but not at the top. "They're good, but there's a difference between their team [now] and their team five or six years ago," Locklear said.

Both teams use a base defense with four down linemen and three linebackers, but rival ACC coaches who have faced both this season seconded Bowden's observation that N.C. State blitzes more often than FSU does.

Clemson assistant coach Brad Scott, who coached under Bowden at Florida State from 1983 to 1993, said both teams coach their defensive ends to force all runs to the inside.

"They [both] try to play extremely low," said Scott, who helped coach Clemson to a 26-10 win over Florida State last weekend. "Their penetration is key with the pressure off the edges to keep you off their linebackers and keep them free to run and shoot the gaps."

Unlike Florida State, which starts seven seniors on defense, N.C. State relies heavily on true and redshirt freshmen. And that may explain why the Wolfpack relies more on blitzes and stunts to create a pass rush, some ACC coaches said.

Amato said his team's youth has indeed led to more tinkering to generate a pass rush.

"Last year, we could get to you with a four-man rush, and now we have to do more things, whether it's zone-blitzing or things of that sort," Amato said.

Wake Forest offensive coordinator Steed Lobotzke said N.C. State is likelier to move its defenders around to put them in better position to make plays.

"With Florida State, they're not going to try to beat you with X's and O's as much," Lobotzke said. "They put their players in a good position and know their talent can take it from there."

N.C. State center Jed Paulsen expects speed and talent from Florida State's defense. He just doesn't expect any surprises.

"They play our defense, so we should know exactly what we're doing," Paulsen said. "We play against it all year."
 

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INJURIES--NC State: OT Chris Colmer-Out, Parsonage Turner Syndrome; WR Sterling Hicks-Out, torn ACL; WR Richard Washington-Probable, cracked ribs; DE Renaldo Moses-Out, torn ACL & MCL; OG Ashley Wingate-Out, broken leg. Florida State:FB B.J. Dean-Questionable, knee sprain.


Gary Hahn's Scouting Report: Florida State
Wolfpack clashes with FSU on Saturday.


Nov. 14, 2003

NC STATE (7-3, 4-2) at No. 13 FLORIDA STATE (8-2, 6-1)

DATE: Saturday, November 15, 2003

TIME: Kickoff: 3:30 p.m. (EST) Doak Campbell Stadium, Tallahassee, FL (82,300)

RADIO: Wolfpack Radio Network. AIRTIME: 2:30 p.m. (EST)

TELEVISION: ABC (Regional)

OPPONENT----The son of a coaching legend finally beat his father on the fifth try and kept the door open for the possibility of a shared ACC Football Championship. Clemson's Tommy Bowden capped a week of speculation about his job security with a 26-10 win over his father, Bobby, and No. 3 Florida State on Saturday night at Memorial Stadium.

Florida State has already clinched a share of the ACC title, but needs to beat NC State this Saturday to assure an outright championship. NC State wins over the Seminoles and Maryland on November 22nd, would give the Wolfpack a share of the crown.





Charlie Whitehurst threw for one touchdown and ran for another as Clemson (6-4, 4-3) snapped an 11-game losing streak to the Seminoles. Aaron Hunt added four field goals and the Tigers held the Seminoles to their fewest points of the season and only 11 yards rushing. To boil it down, the Tigers played as if they didn't want to lose their coach. And the Seminoles never showed their usual poise and power.

FSU quarterback, Chris Rix, had one of his worst performances of the season against a Clemson defense that blitzed repeatedly. Rix missed his target on several passes and was intercepted by Tye Hill in the first quarter to end Florida State's only first-half drive in Clemson territory.

The Tigers kept Rix from getting into any rhythm. He didn't get the ball off quickly enough with accuracy. The receivers messed up routes. Blocks were missed. Clemson's blitzing also affected FSU's running game, which was quickly abandoned. FSU backs rushed the ball four times in the first two drives for 6 yards.

Down 16-0 in the third quarter at Clemson's 30, Rix threw three straight passes nowhere near his receivers and the Seminoles settled for Xavier Beitia's 46-yard field goal. Rix ended 16-for-31 for 194 yards and two interceptions.

A 17-yard Whitehurst pass to receiver Kevin Youngblood led to Hunt's second field goal from 35 yards out and a 6-0 Clemson lead. With 2:50 to go in the half, Whitehurst led a 65-yard touchdown drive -- 51 on a pass to Youngblood. That was followed by a Whitehurst 1-yard scoring run with 15 seconds left that made it 13-0.

Late in the third quarter, Whitehurst lofted a pass to a wide-open Derrick Hamilton for a 58-yard touchdown that gave Clemson a 23-3 lead late in the third quarter. The Seminoles scored their lone touchdown, a 71-yard reception from backup quarterback Fabian Walker to Chauncy Stovall with 2:14 left.

The Seminoles defense is especially strong and experienced. FSU leads the ACC in scoring defense (12.3 ppg.) and ranks third nationally in that category, allowing just 11 touchdowns this season and only four in the second half. Just as impressive is the fact that FSU has held five opponents (Maryland, Georgia Tech, Colorado, Duke and Virginia) to less than 100 yards of total offense in the second half. The 'Noles are 14th in the nation in total defense (297) and seventh in pass efficiency defense.

Redshirt senior tackle, Darnell Dockett (6-4, 280), the school's all-time leader in tackles for loss (62), and end Eric Moore (6-4, 247, Jr.) are anchors on the front line. Moore is No. 2 in the ACC with 6.5 sacks while the other end; Kevin Emanuel (6-4, 257, Sr.) leads the league in forced fumbles. FSU tops the ACC in sacks with 31 and has the ACC's No. 2 rushing defense (110 ypg.) behind NC State (109.8 ypg.).

Outside linebacker, Michael Boulware is a Butkus semifinalist and leads FSU with 84 tackles. The other outside linebacker in the 'Noles 4-3 defensive alignment, Kendyll Pope, is a two-time All-ACC selection. He missed three games with an injury, but returned to play a solid game against Clemson.

The secondary is very deep and experienced. Junior cornerback Leroy Smith (5-10, 179) has three interceptions while his backup, Bryant McFadden (6-0, 180, Jr.) has started nine games this season. The other corner, Stanford Samuels, is a redshirt senior who is No. 2 in the ACC in pass break-ups. The starting safeties, B.J. Ward (6-3, 208, Jr.) and Jerome Carter (6-0, 214, Jr.) have combined for 126 tackles.

Offensively, the 'Noles starting line averages 6-4, 305 pounds and is dominated by redshirt juniors. The back-ups, however, do not have a lot of experience. Much of FSU's success hinges on the play of redshirt junior quarterback, Chris Rix. When he's hot, he's one of the best in the nation, but when he's not, the Seminoles can be out of sync for extended periods as they were against Clemson. Rix is fourth in the ACC in passing (270) and third in total offense behind NC State's Philip Rivers and Virginia's Matt Schaub.

Rix has the fastest receiver in the ACC as a target. Junior Craphonso Thorpe (6-2, 175) is the reigning ACC track & field champion in the 100 and 200-meter dashes. He's been clocked at 4.31 in the 40-yard dash. The Biletnikoff Award semifinalist is the 'Noles leading receiver with 46 catches, including 9 for touchdowns. Junior P.K. Sam (6-3, 195) is also a big-time threat (41 catches, 3 touchdowns).

The FSU running game is 8th in the ACC (122 ypg.) ahead of only NC State (95 ypg.). Leading rusher, Greg Jones (6-1, 255, Sr.) physically did not appear totally sound against Clemson. Jones missed the final four games last season and all of spring practice after tearing his ACL against Wake Forest. This year he has rushed for 451 yards and 6 touchdowns while playing in every game.

NC State (435 ypg.) and FSU (418 ypg.) are one-two in the ACC in total offense and passing offense. However, both teams are at the bottom of the league in rushing. The Seminoles are averaging 122 yards a game to NC State's 95. The Wolfpack held FSU to 34 rushing yards last season and has two straight victories over the 'Noles.

Florida State's special teams look solid. Sophomore Leon Washington leads the ACC in punt returns (12.8 avg.) and has one touchdown. True freshman, Antonio Cromartie, with a 22.7-yard average, is ninth in the conference in kick returns. Lou Groza Award semifinalist, Xavier Beitia, is one of the best place-kickers in the ACC and has 15 of 19 field goal attempts with a long of 48-yards. Senior punter, Jesse Stein, a first-year starter, has been solid with a 41.6-yard average.
 

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NCSU +14.5 (-101) 5 U >>>>>>>>>W...THE BIGGEST SINGLE WAGER EVER FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!;)
UVA +7 (-114) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>L
Purdue +3.5 (-109) >>>>>>>>>>>>>W
Duke +14 (-105) 2U>>>>>>>>>>>>>L
Temple +26 (-108) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>W
UNC +10.5 (-105) 2 U >>>>>>>>>>>>>>L
Texas A&M +14 (-105) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>L
Texas Tech +15.5 (-102) 2 U >>>>>>>>>>>>>W
Baylor +53 (-108) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>W
UConn +9 (-107) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>W
NCSU ML +460 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>L
NCSU/FSU UNDER 54.5 (-108) >>>>>>>>>>>>>L

6-6 (+2.53):cool:


YTD: 67-65-3 (-1.05)

Rivers deserves the Heisman simply for what he does! Hands down!!!
tough loss, but we never GAVE UP!!!
I can't wait to see how they disrespect us next week in the line for the MD game;)

:p

:cool: :cool:
 

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great job anil

great job anil

line was nc st +2 lw

im guessing even or nc st -2


what do U guess, or do U thik huge letdown, they played their guts out in today


gl, gregg
 
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