Week 7

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'Unlucky' Tigers point to Pack
Clemson saw State's win over Jackets


Tommy Bowden and the Tigers have a new motto: 'Make one more play.'


By CHIP ALEXANDER, Staff Writer

Tommy Bowden is convinced he may have the smartest, most efficient, mistake-free team he has coached at Clemson.
And arguably the unluckiest, given the Tigers' statistics.

That Clemson is 2-3 overall (1-3 ACC) going into Thursday's game at N.C. State is both frustrating and a little galling, Bowden said. Consider that the Tigers:

* Have just three turnovers, all on interceptions and two on passes first tipped by Clemson receivers.

* Have committed an ACC-low 17 penalties for 146 yards.

* Have gone 18-for-18 in the red zone, with nine touchdowns and nine field goals.

"Why are we 2-3?" Bowden said. "Is it penalties? No. Is it turnovers? No. Is it the kids quitting? No. So what is it?"

Bowden then answered his own question: "We've got to make one more play. That's now our motto: Make one more play."

Sounds a little like N.C. State coach Chuck Amato about a week ago, doesn't it?

The Pack (2-2, 1-2) was making a habit of coming up just short in ACC games, dropping six in a row before its 17-14 victory at Georgia Tech last Thursday. But the Pack made that "one play" it needed most as cornerback Marcus Hudson's low hit on Tech receiver Calvin Johnson in the end zone resulted in a game-saving interception by Garland Heath.

"Everybody on the team watched that game last week," said Clemson's Jamaal Fudge, a senior free safety. "We saw how N.C. State won it. If we can just come up with a play like that ...

"It has been very frustrating and our confidence level is a little low. But our spirits are good because we know we're not too far from where we want to be."

Clemson opened the season with close wins over Texas A&M and Maryland. The Tigers then fought Miami through three overtimes before losing 36-30 -- a thriller in Death Valley that ended on Clemson's first turnover of the season, a Charlie Whitehurst pass that was intercepted.

The Tigers did not have a turnover at Boston College but were 0-11 on third-down conversions and lost in overtime, 16-13. Clemson's third loss was more disturbing -- 31-27 at Wake Forest, with two interceptions and a blocked kick -- and has had some of the Tiger faithful howling about Bowden again.

"Have all the games been close? Yes," Bowden said. "So why flinch? It would be crazy to change a whole bunch."

In 2003, the Tigers lost at State 17-15 as the Pack intercepted a late Whitehurst pass. Bowden praised his team's effort after the game but said, "We just needed to play smarter ... [and] with fewer penalties."

Bowden hasn't had to say that this season. Whitehurst has had the three picks but has improved his passing percentage to 66.5 percent from 50.7 percent last year, when he had 17 interceptions. The 17 penalties are the fewest for any five-game stretch in Clemson's football history.

"It's obvious we're close," Bowden said. "I will not listen to the naysayers. You can't reinvent the wheel. We just have to make one more play."

BAD BACK: While his name never appeared on NCSU's injury reports before the Georgia Tech game, senior receiver Tramain Hall was hampered by back problems, Amato said.

"He had a bad back all of last week, which nobody knew," Amato said. "We did. He was fine for the game but he didn't practice as much as he could have."

Hall, the Pack's leading receiver going into the game, started and played 32 snaps but did not have a catch.

NEW LOOK: Maybe it was the late-game dramatics at Georgia Tech, but Amato was not questioned by the media after the game about not wearing his trademark sunglasses and bright-red football shoes.

Asked this week, Amato smiled and said, "Too late. You had your chance. Why do you worry about what I wear?"

Amato said equipment manager Eddie Gardner gave him waterproof shoes that were white and trimmed with red. He didn't mention going without the shades.

The Pack is 1-0 with the new look, and Amato was asked if he superstitious.

"I could be," he said. "You'll find out Thursday."
 

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last 2 thursday night games for this matchup

last 2 thursday night games for this matchup

2002--T.A. McClendon had a breakout game with 178 yards rushing to lead NC State to a 38-6 victory in a Thursday night game in Death Valley. Clemson's only touchdown came on a kickoff return by then freshman Justin Miller. It was his first career kickoff return.


2003--Phillip Rivers evened his career record against Clemson at 2-2 with a 213-yard passing performance, leading the Pack to a 17-15 victory in Raleigh in a game shown on ESPN on a Thursday evening. Clemson cut the deficit to 17-15 with five minutes left, but the Tigers could not get close enough for a winning field goal. NC State got the ball back with 3:54 left and ran out the clock.
 

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BR11810 said:
what do you think about the over-under of 45.5 in this game?
i would think the Under is a good play with 2 decent running teams and the spotlight of a night game, but i have not been good lately with Pack totals this year...gl on what you decide
 

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I lean to Clemson with the points since all of their games have been very close so far this year. I agree on the under and think that its the better play rather than the spread. Good luck to you guys playing NC St. I think its going to be a pretty close game.
 

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Plays:

Plays:

NCSU -5.5 (-109)
Louisville -7.5 (-102) Louisville -7 (-101)*
Michigan St. +6.5 (-108)
FSU -6.5 (-105) 2 Unit Play*
Iowa -15.5 (-105)
PSU/Mich Under 43.5 (-105)
USC/ND Under 69 (-104)
BC -14 (-108)
Colorado +17.5 (-115)
Northwestern +7.5 (-109)
LSU -6 (-104) 2 Unit Play*
Cincy +8 (-110)
Baylor +3 (-115)
Washington St. +6 (-110)
Auburn -7.5 (-105) 2 Unit Play*

*pool plays

15 should be enough for the week/end :sadwave:

glta :)
 

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LonghornMM said:
I lean to Clemson with the points since all of their games have been very close so far this year. I agree on the under and think that its the better play rather than the spread. Good luck to you guys playing NC St. I think its going to be a pretty close game.
the points are probably the right side....just like our recent games against the tigers on Thursday night games...best of luck...will be happy as long as the Pack can get the W :sadwave:
 

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Wolfpack has visions of TDs
N.C. State players can see success on offense

By CHIP ALEXANDER, Staff Writer

N.C. State wide receiver Brian Clark says he can close his eyes and envision the play unfolding tonight against Clemson.
The cornerback rolling up to the line. The safety shifting over. His break off the line on the pass route, Jay Davis delivering the football, the catch, his path through the Tigers' secondary.

"I already know exactly where I need to go, where the hole is, where the opening is for me to make the play," said Clark, a senior. "It's visualizing what you're going to do before you do it.

"I know it sounds crazy to say. When I first heard it, it was, 'OK, I'm just going to close my eyes ... ' But it's amazing when you put the time and detail into it."
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"I think the [Thursday night] curse will eventually turn."
Coach Tommy Bowden, whose Clemson Tigers are 0-6 in Thursday night games shown on ESPN




Clark said new offensive coordinator Marc Trestman has combined intense preparation with the power of positive visualization to produce more precision on the field. But has the offense been all that was envisioned -- by NCSU coach Chuck Amato, by Wolfpack fans?

As the Pack (2-2, 1-2 ACC) heads into tonight's game against Clemson (2-3, 1-3) at Carter- Finley Stadium, Amato and Trestman agree the offense has been inconsistent. State had 438 yards in total offense in its opener against Virginia Tech, for example, but was limited to fewer than 300 yards by North Carolina and Georgia Tech.

Davis leads the ACC in passing yards per game (258) and has lifted his passing percentage. T.J. Williams has been a workhorse in the passing game, causing Clemson coach Tommy Bowden to say the senior "may be the best tight end in the country and could be a first-round [NFL] draft pick."

Freshman tailback Toney Baker has shown toughness and elusiveness. Clark had a monster game in State's 17-14 win at Georgia Tech last Thursday, including an 80-yard touchdown reception that was the Pack's longest touchdown play from scrimmage in two years. Senior receiver Tramain Hall, a proven play-maker, endured back problems last week but is healthy.

But State isn't rushing the ball as well as it did last season, averaging 96 yards a game and 3.0 yards a carry. Much of that may stem from an offensive line, Amato said, that still is searching for cohesion.

Also, the Pack is last in the ACC in third-down conversions at 29.4 percent.

"We're still evolving as an offense," Trestman said Tuesday. "I think we've had limited opportunities because we've been inconsistent. We've had some quick-strike capabilities. We've been scoring fast in the last few games but not often enough, and we're not converting on third downs.

"We've got to take advantage of our possessions. It appears in college football you get two or three more than you do in the NFL, and we have to take advantage of it."

Asked to critique the offense, Amato first mentioned inconsistency but noted, "It takes a while."

"In the last three years we haven't had the consistency in the offensive line -- that five people at practice every day, every game -- to get that togetherness an offensive line needs," he said. "I think Jay is playing at as good as you could ask with a new system. He's tackled it well."

Davis, a fifth-year senior, calls the offense "quarterback-friendly" even though it may seem complex. His wrist band lists 157 plays -- compared to 50 last year -- and another "two-minute" wrist band holds another 30 or 40 plays.

"Our offense is confusing for other teams, as we're finding out, with all the formations," Davis said. "They're trying to make all these calls to adjust. But it's always the same reads, same progressions to us as quarterbacks.

"We've been opening it up a little bit more as we get into the season and having fun with it."

Davis had little fun in the game at Clemson last season. Of his 15 interceptions during the 2004 season, five came in State's 26-20 loss to the Tigers.

Tigers safety Jamaal Fudge, who had one of the interceptions, said, "We put a lot of pressure on the quarterback, got in his face and forced a lot of mistakes."

Fudge said the Pack's offense looks seem similar to last year's, when Noel Mazzone was the Pack's offensive coordinator before leaving for Mississippi.

One noticeable difference: Baker.

"That freshman running back is a lot tougher runner to bring down than the last runner," said Fudge, referring to former tailback T.A. McLendon.

Bowden noted that the Pack does use multiple formations, branching various plays off each set. He said Trestman's NFL background showed in that State's protection schemes seem more sophisticated.

Davis, who has six touchdown passes and five interceptions this season, said Trestman is calm, almost professorial on the sideline during games. That only adds to Davis' comfort level.

"I'm probably more open in communicating than last year," Davis said. "I'll tell him I don't like certain protections or that I'm kind of confused if they have this defensive look. He cleans it up on the sideline, either by calling plays or explaining it to me or getting rid of a whole package. I mean, we do have 157 plays."

Clark said he'd hate to be a defensive coach preparing for State. So many plays, so hard to figure.

"You might see us in a formation on film, but we can run 10 different things off it," he said. "It wasn't that detailed last year."

Clark said Trestman's first words to the players after being hired were, "Erase everything you know about offensive football."

Trestman, he said, brought an "NFL tempo" to practice, with everyone on offense bursting off the ball and following the play.

As for the visualization of plays, Clark said everyone has the same pregame routine. For Davis, it's recognizing coverages. For the offensive linemen, it's going through blocking techniques based on defensive formations.

"Michael Jordan once said before every play he already knew he would make it because he sat back and visualized it," Clark said. "Basically, what [Trestman] does is have us watch a lot of film and pretty much paint the defense.

"Coach Trestman will joke and say we ought to be smiling out there and saying, 'Oh, here it is, here it is' during a play because we already know what the defense was going to do."

It happened at Georgia Tech on the 80-yard touchdown. Clark cut inside cornerback Kenny Scott on a slant for the catch, caught safety Chris Reis badly out of position, veered across the field and couldn't be caught.

Clark smiled after the play. It was, he said, just as he envisioned.
 

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Tigers facing crossroad

By CAULTON TUDOR, Staff Writer

As much as N.C. State needs to win this game, which is a lot, Clemson actually needs it more.
If you're looking for the more cornered team in Carter-Finley tonight, follow the orange.

Clemson is 2-3 overall (1-3 ACC) and still has to play at Georgia Tech (Oct. 29), against Florida State (Nov. 12) and at South Carolina (Nov. 19). So a loss to the Pack would put the Tigers on the verge of bowl elimination.

That would create a dicey situation for Tigers coach Tommy Bowden.

Just last season, Bowden's sixth Clemson team won at Miami, finished 4-4 in the conference and 6-5 overall. But the Tigers still couldn't go to a bowl. An unruly performance in a season-ending win over South Carolina led to bans on postseason participation by both schools.

It was a bittersweet finish for Bowden, whose previous Clemson teams all landed bowl bids.

The Tigers, in preseason, vowed to recover their bowl touch. They haven't played poorly in a game all season, but their early schedule has been a bear and they've lost in overtime to Miami and Boston College and lost by four to Wake Forest.

Bowden, as usual, is hearing it in the stands even though his ACC record is still a respectable 29-23 and he's 46-32 overall at Clemson. His first two teams, one of which finished No. 16 in The Associated Press poll, tied for second in the ACC, and his 9-4 team in 2003 wound up ranked No. 22 in both major national polls. He is 13-12 against Georgia Tech, Maryland, Virginia and NCSU. He has never had a losing record in eight years as a head coach and went 11-0 at Tulane in 1998.

But coaching football at Clemson is somewhat like coaching basketball at Duke and North Carolina. If you're not very good, then you become very unpopular. There's not much middle ground.

A loss to State, and Clemson could be looking at a 4-7 finish. The last Tigers coach to survive something that bad was Red Parker, who was given one more chance after finishing 2-9 in 1975. But one chance was it. When Parker's '76 team went 3-6-2, Charley Pell got a phone call.
 

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how crazy was it that the under hit...3 points in the second half, thought for sure nc st was gonna ruin the bet by scoring in the last minute
 
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