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You are a fucking coward.
Post this shit in General so everyone can see what kind of person you are.
Post this shit in General so everyone can see what kind of person you are.
why Ray?
Honestly, from now on, if you really believe that Tim is a hero, your opinions on other topics are going to be automatically watered down.
Tim is not a HERO ! Fall guy, yes !
Murrah Federal Building Survivor Talks with Alex Jones
This will offend Chad's sensibilities, of course because it came from infowars, but NO ONE ELSE GOT THIS INTERVIEW !
Jane Graham, a ninth floor survivor of the Murrah federal building bombing in Oklahoma City, told Alex Jones she believes the attack was an inside job. Graham talked with Alex Jones on April 20, 2010.
Even though she was there, inside of the building, she must be lying !
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From the Oklahoma Bombing Cover-Up:
On July 20, 1997 Jane Graham, a ninth floor survivor of the Murrah federal building bombing in Oklahoma City, made a video affidavit after she watched the video ?Cover-Up In Oklahoma.? In that video, she recognized seeing two men who were caught on camera walking hurriedly away from the building after the bombing holding walkie-talkies. She says that she had noticed these men in the building prior to the bombing wearing General Services Administration (GSA) maintenance uniforms that she did not recognize as GSA employees. She previously wrote the following memo late last year which I am reposting for the benefit of those who have not seen seen it previously or heard of Jane Graham or this controversy before.
November 15, 1996 TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: SUBJECT: MURRAH BUILDING BOMBING/INFORMATION AND MIS-INFORMATION WHAT IS THE REAL TRUTH, WHY ARE PEOPLE NOT BEING PUT UNDER OATH? WHY IS INFORMATION BEING SCREENED TO DETERMINE WHAT IS PUT OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND GIVEN TO DEFENSE? WHY DOES THERE APPEAR A UNIFORM CONSPIRACY TO ONLY GIVE PART OF THE FACTS/STATEMENTS/TRUTH ABOUT THE MURRAH BOMBING? FROM: JANE C.GRAHAM PUBLIC HOUSING SPECIALIST ? FACILITIES MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT AND PRESIDENT, AFGE LOCAL 3138
This is my statement regarding the above. Approximately the last week of August, 1995, I contacted the FBI and spoke with a Mr. Joe Schwecke regarding the bombing and told him about events which I was aware of the week before the bombing. I made an appointment with him for Tuesday the 5th of September. HE never showed up. I again called and set up another appointment for the following week and that was never kept. On September 12, (I believe this is the correct date), I had and interview with a female agent in the Office of Native Americans/HUD at 500 W. Main, OKC. There were several agents there asking a set series of questions regarding the bombing as she explained to me. These same questions were asked to everyone within a 10 block radius. The questions were very basic, and few. When we were finished she said that was all and I said I was not finished. I told her of the previous report I had given Agent Schwecke and I wanted to know why no one asked questions about the week before the bombing and if anyone saw anything suspicious.
APPARENTLY THE FBI WAS NOT INTERESTED IN ANY TIME OTHER THAN THE MONDAY OR TUESDAY THE WEEK OF THE BOMBING!!!! AND ONLY IF THE RESPONSES POINTED DIRECTLY TO MCVEIGH. My question is why is it that they (FBI) were only interested if information was related to McVeigh? It appears that the FBI had and agenda which was to only target McVeigh and Nichols. The FBI conveniently dropped John Doe 2. Does the FBI believe that I as a citizen and a government employee and a survivor of the bombing, having been in the building at that time when it occurred, is so na?ve that I can?t see through what has and is being orchestrated by Washington? I contacted the FBI first by phone then by letter to inform them of three (3) men who I saw on the 2nd level of the parking garage the week before. The 2nd level of the parking garage is that level which is directly below the street level and customer parking.
These three men were standing just west of the double doors leading to the elevator, behind an older station wagon parked on the south side. They had a set of plans which appeared to be of the Murrah building. The reason I assumed the plans were of the Murrah building is they were obviously disagreeing on something and pointing to areas in the garage. Two of the men were approximately 5′8″ and one man 6′1 ro 2″. Two men were brown hair, the tallest had very dark hair almost black and a mustache. He was wearing black cowboy boots, jeans and jacket and a cowboy hat. His hair was collar length. The other two men wore jeans one had a brown plaid short sleeved shirt and obviously lifted weights. At first I thought as I studied them they were with the phone company because I saw what looked like telephone wiring. Cream colored but short pieces. He also had a paper bag with something in it. We had been having some telephone difficulty off and on in the building and that was the first thing that popped in my mind. But then I thought why would they be in the garage? They are always on a floor at the closet area when they are fixing a problem and would not be in the garage. Next I thought they must be with the gas company.
There have been over the years gas leaks and maybe they were there for that purpose. As I studied these 3 men they were also watching me. At that time the man in the brown plaid shirt said something to the other man and he went to the station wagon and put the sack and wiring in the wagon behind the driver?s seat and returned to the group. They watched me until I went through the doors to the elevator. I had first thought of going up to them but thought they must have approval to be there in the building and they did have plans which they were discussing. The man in the brown shirt obviously knew what he was doing and was in charge even though you could tell there was disagreement among them. He reminded me of a surveyor or construction foreman except that I doubt that they would have been in that good of shape. These men were definitely physically well trained. I had intended to go to GSA but since I was in a hurry to get to work, I let it go by. Regrettably I wish now I had taken the time to go to GSA or to have gone up and talked to these men. When I first told my story the only question asked was ?Was one of the men McVeigh?? I told the agent absolutely not. Then I was asked can I positively identify the three men? I told him I didn?t think I could be positive, and NO ONE HAD ASKED ME TO VIEW ANY PICTURES OF ANYONE. I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN SEEING WHO WAS STAFFED IN THE ATF, FBI AND SECRET SERVICE PRIOR TO THE BOMBING AND IF THESE MEN I SAW WERE EMPLOYED BY ANY OF THESE AGENCIES.
I believe they were afraid I might be able to identify someone they did not want me to identify. I do have a good memory and I will continue to seek out and watch for these men to reappear and when I do I will confront them. This is not over. Also, Germaine Johnston, who also works for HUD saw and spoke to McVeigh perhaps as much as 10 minutes after in the alley where he was ?parked? sitting outside his car on the ground around on the passengers side along with John Doe 2. McVeigh asked her if anyone was killed. She replied, yes a lot were. At that point shaken, he got into his car and drove off by himself. John Doe 2 departed on foot. Now I ask you, does that sound like a man who was running? I don?t think so. It sounds like a plan that went awry or something he did not know was going to happen. These are just samples of stories which can be told and have not been given t the defense attorney. I DID FURNISH MY TESTIMONY TO JONES AS WELL AS FBI. GERMAINE FURNISHED HER?S TO THE FBI, THEY DID NOT GIVE THAT INFORMATION TO JONES. BUT HE HAS BEEN TOLD ABOUT IT AND SHE WILL BE INTERVIEWED BY ONE OF HIS ASSOCIATES.
Honestly, from now on, if you really believe that Tim is a hero, your opinions on other topics are going to be automatically watered down.
Tim is not a HERO ! Fall guy, yes !
Murrah Federal Building Survivor Talks with Alex Jones
This will offend Chad's sensibilities, of course because it came from infowars, but NO ONE ELSE GOT THIS INTERVIEW !
Jane Graham, a ninth floor survivor of the Murrah federal building bombing in Oklahoma City, told Alex Jones she believes the attack was an inside job. Graham talked with Alex Jones on April 20, 2010.
Even though she was there, inside of the building, she must be lying !
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From the Oklahoma Bombing Cover-Up:
On July 20, 1997 Jane Graham, a ninth floor survivor of the Murrah federal building bombing in Oklahoma City, made a video affidavit after she watched the video ?Cover-Up In Oklahoma.? In that video, she recognized seeing two men who were caught on camera walking hurriedly away from the building after the bombing holding walkie-talkies. She says that she had noticed these men in the building prior to the bombing wearing General Services Administration (GSA) maintenance uniforms that she did not recognize as GSA employees. She previously wrote the following memo late last year which I am reposting for the benefit of those who have not seen seen it previously or heard of Jane Graham or this controversy before.
November 15, 1996 TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: SUBJECT: MURRAH BUILDING BOMBING/INFORMATION AND MIS-INFORMATION WHAT IS THE REAL TRUTH, WHY ARE PEOPLE NOT BEING PUT UNDER OATH? WHY IS INFORMATION BEING SCREENED TO DETERMINE WHAT IS PUT OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND GIVEN TO DEFENSE? WHY DOES THERE APPEAR A UNIFORM CONSPIRACY TO ONLY GIVE PART OF THE FACTS/STATEMENTS/TRUTH ABOUT THE MURRAH BOMBING? FROM: JANE C.GRAHAM PUBLIC HOUSING SPECIALIST ? FACILITIES MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT AND PRESIDENT, AFGE LOCAL 3138
This is my statement regarding the above. Approximately the last week of August, 1995, I contacted the FBI and spoke with a Mr. Joe Schwecke regarding the bombing and told him about events which I was aware of the week before the bombing. I made an appointment with him for Tuesday the 5th of September. HE never showed up. I again called and set up another appointment for the following week and that was never kept. On September 12, (I believe this is the correct date), I had and interview with a female agent in the Office of Native Americans/HUD at 500 W. Main, OKC. There were several agents there asking a set series of questions regarding the bombing as she explained to me. These same questions were asked to everyone within a 10 block radius. The questions were very basic, and few. When we were finished she said that was all and I said I was not finished. I told her of the previous report I had given Agent Schwecke and I wanted to know why no one asked questions about the week before the bombing and if anyone saw anything suspicious.
APPARENTLY THE FBI WAS NOT INTERESTED IN ANY TIME OTHER THAN THE MONDAY OR TUESDAY THE WEEK OF THE BOMBING!!!! AND ONLY IF THE RESPONSES POINTED DIRECTLY TO MCVEIGH. My question is why is it that they (FBI) were only interested if information was related to McVeigh? It appears that the FBI had and agenda which was to only target McVeigh and Nichols. The FBI conveniently dropped John Doe 2. Does the FBI believe that I as a citizen and a government employee and a survivor of the bombing, having been in the building at that time when it occurred, is so na?ve that I can?t see through what has and is being orchestrated by Washington? I contacted the FBI first by phone then by letter to inform them of three (3) men who I saw on the 2nd level of the parking garage the week before. The 2nd level of the parking garage is that level which is directly below the street level and customer parking.
These three men were standing just west of the double doors leading to the elevator, behind an older station wagon parked on the south side. They had a set of plans which appeared to be of the Murrah building. The reason I assumed the plans were of the Murrah building is they were obviously disagreeing on something and pointing to areas in the garage. Two of the men were approximately 5′8″ and one man 6′1 ro 2″. Two men were brown hair, the tallest had very dark hair almost black and a mustache. He was wearing black cowboy boots, jeans and jacket and a cowboy hat. His hair was collar length. The other two men wore jeans one had a brown plaid short sleeved shirt and obviously lifted weights. At first I thought as I studied them they were with the phone company because I saw what looked like telephone wiring. Cream colored but short pieces. He also had a paper bag with something in it. We had been having some telephone difficulty off and on in the building and that was the first thing that popped in my mind. But then I thought why would they be in the garage? They are always on a floor at the closet area when they are fixing a problem and would not be in the garage. Next I thought they must be with the gas company.
There have been over the years gas leaks and maybe they were there for that purpose. As I studied these 3 men they were also watching me. At that time the man in the brown plaid shirt said something to the other man and he went to the station wagon and put the sack and wiring in the wagon behind the driver?s seat and returned to the group. They watched me until I went through the doors to the elevator. I had first thought of going up to them but thought they must have approval to be there in the building and they did have plans which they were discussing. The man in the brown shirt obviously knew what he was doing and was in charge even though you could tell there was disagreement among them. He reminded me of a surveyor or construction foreman except that I doubt that they would have been in that good of shape. These men were definitely physically well trained. I had intended to go to GSA but since I was in a hurry to get to work, I let it go by. Regrettably I wish now I had taken the time to go to GSA or to have gone up and talked to these men. When I first told my story the only question asked was ?Was one of the men McVeigh?? I told the agent absolutely not. Then I was asked can I positively identify the three men? I told him I didn?t think I could be positive, and NO ONE HAD ASKED ME TO VIEW ANY PICTURES OF ANYONE. I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN SEEING WHO WAS STAFFED IN THE ATF, FBI AND SECRET SERVICE PRIOR TO THE BOMBING AND IF THESE MEN I SAW WERE EMPLOYED BY ANY OF THESE AGENCIES.
I believe they were afraid I might be able to identify someone they did not want me to identify. I do have a good memory and I will continue to seek out and watch for these men to reappear and when I do I will confront them. This is not over. Also, Germaine Johnston, who also works for HUD saw and spoke to McVeigh perhaps as much as 10 minutes after in the alley where he was ?parked? sitting outside his car on the ground around on the passengers side along with John Doe 2. McVeigh asked her if anyone was killed. She replied, yes a lot were. At that point shaken, he got into his car and drove off by himself. John Doe 2 departed on foot. Now I ask you, does that sound like a man who was running? I don?t think so. It sounds like a plan that went awry or something he did not know was going to happen. These are just samples of stories which can be told and have not been given t the defense attorney. I DID FURNISH MY TESTIMONY TO JONES AS WELL AS FBI. GERMAINE FURNISHED HER?S TO THE FBI, THEY DID NOT GIVE THAT INFORMATION TO JONES. BUT HE HAS BEEN TOLD ABOUT IT AND SHE WILL BE INTERVIEWED BY ONE OF HIS ASSOCIATES.
I don't understand him Shawn, It just baffles the mind. By his logic is Major Nadal a hero also?
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RAY RAY
no woman no children
I am surprised you don't understand that concept
You are a shit stirrer though , so I think thats why you say this kind of stuff.
your a punk kid
Yeah look at the comments you make and tell me who is the punk you FUCKING COWARD.
Someone who killed innocent children is your hero?
You really are a disgusting human being.
You are nothing but a non working miserable piece of shit, take your manly comments about McVeigh and put them in general you fucking coward.
You post them down here where no one will see them, yeah that makes you a man.
FUCKING COWARD.
I disagree with alot of people here but your comments on McVeigh show how little of a person you are.
McVeigh will become a hero
by Anatoly O. 05.08.2001
On February 28, 1993, an unsuccessful raid on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, TX led to a 51-day siege of the compound. The confrontation ended April 19 when, by order of the FBI and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, more then 80 Americans, including women and children, were killed. Militia groups had organized in several states following the Waco tragedy. On the second anniversary of that deadly confrontation the 26-year-old Gulf War veteran Timothy McVeigh set off a bomb in front of the federal building in Oklahoma City, containing the office of the BATF, and killing 167 people. Timothy McVeigh did not know that the building also contained a day-care center, and regrets that 15 young children were among those killed.
During the last six years, the dead children, covered by blood, were regularly shown on TV. No surprise, that polls show that vast majority of Americans believe that 'the worst mass murderer in U.S. history' should be executed. However, capital punishment is only acceptable for the sake of saving lives. Two guys from Cambridge, MA repeatedly raped a ten-year-old boy and did not have a second thought about killing him, because Massachusetts does not have a death penalty. McVeigh's execution will not save lives. It will make him a martyr for anti-government causes. But clemency will give him time to understand that the outcome of his actions was directly opposite to his intent. Thanks to him, FBI and BATF got more funding and more staff. Bill Clinton attended a memorial service in Oklahoma City for the bombing victims and on April 24 gave a speech about "hate" and "violence". This speech boosted his rating and helped him win the 1996 election. Killing innocent people only gives the government the excuse to enlarge the power and propaganda.
John Kennedy's domestic programs stalled in Congress, and foreign-affairs crises occupied much of his time. He was much criticized for failure of Bay of Pigs Invasion, for creating Cuban Missile Crisis, for his politics toward the South Vietnam, which led to unsuccessful Vietnam War. His assassination made him a hero and a great president. The McVeigh's execution will make him a victim and a hero in eyes of many Americans. Clemency is right thing to do.
by Anatoly O. 05.08.2001
On February 28, 1993, an unsuccessful raid on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, TX led to a 51-day siege of the compound. The confrontation ended April 19 when, by order of the FBI and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, more then 80 Americans, including women and children, were killed. Militia groups had organized in several states following the Waco tragedy. On the second anniversary of that deadly confrontation the 26-year-old Gulf War veteran Timothy McVeigh set off a bomb in front of the federal building in Oklahoma City, containing the office of the BATF, and killing 167 people. Timothy McVeigh did not know that the building also contained a day-care center, and regrets that 15 young children were among those killed.
During the last six years, the dead children, covered by blood, were regularly shown on TV. No surprise, that polls show that vast majority of Americans believe that 'the worst mass murderer in U.S. history' should be executed. However, capital punishment is only acceptable for the sake of saving lives. Two guys from Cambridge, MA repeatedly raped a ten-year-old boy and did not have a second thought about killing him, because Massachusetts does not have a death penalty. McVeigh's execution will not save lives. It will make him a martyr for anti-government causes. But clemency will give him time to understand that the outcome of his actions was directly opposite to his intent. Thanks to him, FBI and BATF got more funding and more staff. Bill Clinton attended a memorial service in Oklahoma City for the bombing victims and on April 24 gave a speech about "hate" and "violence". This speech boosted his rating and helped him win the 1996 election. Killing innocent people only gives the government the excuse to enlarge the power and propaganda.
John Kennedy's domestic programs stalled in Congress, and foreign-affairs crises occupied much of his time. He was much criticized for failure of Bay of Pigs Invasion, for creating Cuban Missile Crisis, for his politics toward the South Vietnam, which led to unsuccessful Vietnam War. His assassination made him a hero and a great president. The McVeigh's execution will make him a victim and a hero in eyes of many Americans. Clemency is right thing to do.
