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[DOGS THAT BARK]

--everyone predicted Hilliary trying to shuck the liberal tag-----

Clintons Join Billy Graham for Final Revival

Saturday, June 25, 2005



NEW YORK ? As his final American revival meeting continued Saturday, a fragile Billy Graham (search) was met onstage by former President Clinton, who honored the evangelist, calling him "a man I love."

Clinton spoke briefly before Graham's sermon and recalled how the man known as America's pastor had refused to preach before a segregated audience in Arkansas decades ago when that state was in a bitter fight over school desegregation.

"I was just a little boy and I'll never forget it," said Clinton, who was joined by his wife, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (search). "I've loved him ever since. God bless you, friend."

Graham called the Clintons "wonderful friends" and "a great couple," quipping that the former president should become an evangelist and allow "his wife to run the country."

 

[Master Capper]

What's the problem here? Do you not approve of the Clinton's showing their faith and supporting a guy whom is a legend? Would you have the same reaction if Bush or Cheney had shown up for this crusade? I don't agree with Graham on wanting Hilary to run the country unless we are stuck with the status quo that we have now.

 

[kosar]

What's the problem here? Do you not approve of the Clinton's showing their faith and supporting a guy whom is a legend? Would you have the same reaction if Bush or Cheney had shown up for this crusade? I don't agree with Graham on wanting Hilary to run the country unless we are stuck with the status quo that we have now.

The Clintons can't make a move without drawing Waynes ire. He hates that Bill was poor growing up and he apparently also hates them showing their faith. I wonder if he also hates that Bill admired Graham for refusing to speak to a segregated audience?

How does going hear Billy Graham make it look like Hillary is trying to position herself more 'center?' Oh, that's right, only conservatives have faith while the liberal heathens are only faking it when they go to church. I'm not into organized religion, but even I can see which party 'Jesus' would more closely relate to, if you really want to go in that direction.

They don't wear it on their sleeve, or use it to drive policy, but the Clintons have always gone to church, prayed, whatever. So what's the problem? Hillary doesn't thrill me as a candidate, but the reaction/entertainment value of her being elected might just make up for it.

 

[StevieD]

I have to laugh. The liberals have not changed their stance. It is the Republican Party that has changed since Bush and the Neocons got in. They are trying to force their twisted policies on this country. Yet all we hear is how Hlilary is changing. All Presidential candidates move more to the middle. I don't remember Bush saying he was going to create a deficit and build countries. In fact I think he ran on a platform quite a bit different. Oh yes, 911 changed everything. Except of course for Hillary.

 

[Master Capper]

What I find funny is if Jesus was around today he would more than likely be cast as a hippee left winger, as in no way did his agenda fit the agenda of the religious right. I guess I would of questioned Cheney going to see Graham for I think this guy has more than clinched his spot in hell with his stealing and lying. Personally, I sort of like Bush, I think he would be a cool guy to hang around with and watch some football or go fishing with, but I just think he is inept at being a leader.

 

[kosar]

Personally, I sort of like Bush, I think he would be a cool guy to hang around with and watch some football or go fishing with, but I just think he is inept at being a leader.

I agree with that. 90% of the problem that I have with him/them is the Iraqi war. From the deceipt beforehand, the horrible prosecution of it, and the current, I guess i'll call it 'limbo,' that we're in.

However, the driving force behind all that and the cause of most of the Iraq issues, is the group of chickenhawks who have been licking their chops ti invade Iran since right after we stopped funding Saddam, ie, the late 80's.

Cheney, Rumsfeld, Feith, Perle, Wolfowitz, etc...

So yes, of course it was Bush's ultimate decision, but he is/was just a little too dumb to realize that he was manipulated by that evil group.

I agree with some form of SS privitization and I really have no major issues other than this 'war.' His religious driven rhetoric and actions and policy is annoying, but he has not really been able to pull anything too terrible off, despite his attempts.

Then again, one could make a decent case that this war has some flavor of a holy war to it. And his born again fanaticism contributed to him giving the war the green light.

If we had just stayed the course in Afghanistan and did not invade Iraq, I probably would make about 3 posts a year in this area(insert applause here).

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I can sum why I think they are hypocritcal in 4 words--
"Pray for me Jessie"

Depending how religious and with whom is directly proportionate to who's vote he's after at the time.

Sheez I believe if he re-invented snake oil he'd have have a sale at every liberals home.

 

[ocelot]

Maybe DTB has a problem with the fact that Mr. Graham has always voted DEMOCRAT!

Or is it just that Bill got a blowjob...and he didn't.

 

[kosar]

I can sum why I think they are hypocritcal in 4 words--
"Pray for me Jessie"

Depending how religious and with whom is directly proportionate to who's vote he's after at the time.

Yes, you have the qualifications to determine the level of their faith. Do you have an oxygen tank at home that you need to utilize whenever you see one of them on TV?

How does saying 'pray for me Jesse' make them hypocritical?

I remember you condemning Bill back a few months ago for saying that Taiwan and China should remain at peace.

Now you get on him for going to see Graham.

You mock him for having grown up poor.

All because he lied about a blow job?

Yet not one peep about what a clusterf*ck Bush & co. have gotten us into. Strange priorities.

 

[Master Capper]

Surely if you believe that Clinton is hypocritical then you must believe the same of Dickless Cheney as this guy is the biggest hypocrite around, or because he is a Republican he is allowed to be a hypocrite.

 

[IntenseOperator]

I REALLY hope she runs

and wears whatever skin she wants

she's still a leopard

Outcome would be solid!

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

"I remember you condemning Bill back a few months ago for saying that Taiwan and China should remain at peace."

I don't remember that Matt--could you recover that position for me??

Didn't know Graham voted Dem--which is fine--I thought I made it abundantly clear I have little use for any "TV" preachers many times here.
True people of faith lead by example--Jesse-Bill and Graham all have one common denominator-
Their pocketbooks are directly proportionate to their followers.

Don't mock him for growing up poor Matt but on how he got out of poverty-You tell me--how does one have nothing one day--gets into politics and is multimillionaire in 10 years.While can't say he did much to serve the people there is no doubt he did well serving himself--

---how many episodes of finger waving--pardoning for cash--lying under oath--I don't recalls-sleep overs--serial women abuse ect will it take to you all look in mirror and see gullible written across your foreheads--about that snakeoil

 

[ocelot]

Clinton - snakeoil? What is Cheney selling then? Just oil I suppose.

 

[ocelot]

Clinton climbs out of poverty to become President.

George stumbles out of his Rolls to become Prresident.

Who is the more admirable?

 

[kosar]

"I remember you condemning Bill back a few months ago for saying that Taiwan and China should remain at peace."

I don't remember that Matt--could you recover that position for me??

You started a thread about it, man. Your point was basically that he should mind his own business since he isn't pres anymore.

Don't mock him for growing up poor Matt but on how he got out of poverty-You tell me--how does one have nothing one day--gets into politics and is multimillionaire in 10 years.While can't say he did much to serve the people there is no doubt he did well serving himself--

How he 'got out of poverty?' That's why you mock him? Because he became president? Would you prefer that he became the first politician in American history that didn't prosper because of his position? While it's nice to be a multi-millionaire the second you pop out into this world, like W, not everybody has it like that.

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[kosar]

Clinton climbs out of poverty to become President.

George stumbles out of his Rolls to become Prresident.

Who is the more admirable?

To Wayne, that would be Bush.

 

[smurphy]

Bush climbed out of the moral poverty of cocaine and DUI's to become a holier than thou fundamentalist. ...That's admirable...in a way.

 

[JT]

ALL POLITICIANS ARE SNAKE OIL SALESMEN AND HYPOCRITES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM. Exceptions possible but not probable. Ok everyone?