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gardenweasel

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So Obama's still getting shit because his preacher has a bitchy side that many rightly find offensive. The O man was hung out to dry over what his preacher said ... apparently, it's Obama's fault that this preacher man can be such an asshole during his sermons, or Obama should have stood up and cried foul during the sermons, or something.

However, now it's *sort of* coming out that McCain's preacher, or pet preacher (he sought and got the preacher's endorsement) can say some strange things.... but I'm not seeing the freaking media blow up over that...

Say's Preacher Hagee, the preacher in question, leader of a San Antonio megachurch:

Hagee on Hurricane Katrina:
"All hurricanes are acts of God because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that." [NPR Fresh Air, 9/18/06]

Hagee on Islamic Beliefs:
Fresh Air host Terry Gross asked if Hagee believed that "all Muslims have a mandate to kill Christians and Jews," to which Hagee replied, "Well, the Quran teaches that. Yes, it teaches that very clearly." [NPR Fresh Air, 9/18/06]

Hagee on African-Americans:
The San Antonio Express-News reported that Hagee was going to "meet with black religious leaders privately at an unspecified future date to discuss comments he made in his newsletter about a 'slave sale,' an East Side minister said Wednesday."

The Express-News reported:
"Hagee, pastor of the 16,000-member Cornerstone Church, last week had announced a 'slave sale' to raise funds for high school seniors in his church bulletin, 'The Cluster.' "The item was introduced with the sentence 'Slavery in America is returning to Cornerstone" and ended with "Make plans to come and go home with a slave." [San Antonio Express-News 3/7/96]

Hagee on Catholicism:
"Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews." [Jerusalem Countdown by John Hagee]

Hagee on Women
"Do you know the difference between a woman with PMS and a snarling Doberman pinscher? The answer is lipstick. Do you know the difference between a terrorist and a woman with PMS? You can negotiate with a terrorist." [God's Profits: Faith, Fraud and the Republican Crusade for Values Voters, Sarah Posner]
"[T]he feminist movement today is throwing off authority in rebellion against God's pattern for the family." ["Bible Positions on Political Issues," John Hagee]

Hagee on LGBT Americans
"The newspaper carried the story in our local area that was not carried nationally that there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came. And the promise of that parade was that it was going to reach a level of sexuality never demonstrated before in any of the other Gay Pride parades. So I believe that the judgment of God is a very real thing. I know that there are people who demur from that, but I believe that the Bible teaches that when you violate the law of God, that God brings punishment sometimes before the day of judgment." [NPR Fresh Air, 9/18/06]

Hagee on Iran
"The coming nuclear showdown with Iran is a certainty," Hagee wrote [in 2006] in the Pentecostal magazine Charisma. "Israel and America must confront Iran's nuclear ability and willingness to destroy Israel with nuclear weapons. For Israel to wait is to risk committing national suicide." [The Nation, 8/8/2006]

from what i understand,mccain was not one of hagee`s parishoners...may have never set foot in hagee`s church(not sure about that)...

and now the scuttlebutt is that the republicans have tape of "obamarosa" throwing some serious nasties at "whitey" from the pew of this very same church.....

they`re holding it until the general...;)

gonna be some mighty unhappy women(hillary backers) and honky`s come november....

maybe he can win with eggheads and african americans?...


heh heh
 

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Tim Russert, in front of millions of Americans on Tuesday night, was quick to force Barack Obama to denounce Louis Farrakahn repeatedly until he worded it to Russert's satisfaction (evidently "unacceptable and reprehensible" didn't quite get the job done). Despite the fact that Obama never sought Farrakhan's endorsement, Russert felt this line of questioning was appropriate given Farrakhan's intolerant remarks about Jews in the past.

Okay, fair enough. But if that's the case, then why isn't he pressing John McCain about radical religious extremist uber-nut John Hagee?


Mr. McCain, who has been on a steady search for support among conservative and evangelical leaders who have long distrusted him, said he was "very honored'' by Mr. Hagee's endorsement. Asked about Mr. Hagee's extensive writings on Armageddon and about what one questioner said was Mr. Hagee's belief that the anti-Christ Mr. McCain responded that "all I can tell you is that I am very proud to have Pastor John Hagee's support.''


There is an outside chance gw, that you and the other neocons have terminal

funny-pictures-head-up-your-ass-Afq.jpg


syndrome.
 

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McCain "Proud" of Endorsement From John Hagee Who Calls Catholics "The Great Whore." Where's Tim Russert Now?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/mccain-proud-of-endorse_b_89227.html

The whole topic is idiotic. Remind wtf the "right" stands for again?

roflmao...huffington post....

you guys make me laugh trying to equate a loon who`s free to endorse anybody he chooses whether it be mccain or anybody.....

with people obama called friends...he went to the same church...broke bread with....for over 20 years.....contributed money to the church...

you ask why isn`t the hagee thing working?....`cause any swinging dick can endorse anybody he chooses...

it`s your pals of 20 years...your associations....people you hang with....the church you attend...take your children to(that should disqualify obama all by itself).....

and that church is the center of their little "hate" universe...

this 2004 sun times article interviewed barak who said:

...Obama says he reads the Bible, though not as regularly as he'd like, now that he's on the campaign trail. But he does find time to pray.

"It's not formal, me getting on my knees," he says. "I think I have an ongoing conversation with God.... I'm constantly asking myself questions about what I'm doing, why I am doing it.

"The biggest challenge, I think, is always maintaining your moral compass."

Friends and advisers, such as the Rev. Michael Pfleger, pastor of St. Sabina Roman Catholic Church in the Auburn- Gresham community on the South Side, who has known Obama for the better part of 20 years, help him keep that compass set, he says.

"I always have felt in him this consciousness that, at the end of the day, with all of us, you've got to face God," Pfleger says of Obama. "Faith is key to his life, no question about it. It is central to who he is, and not just in his work in the political field, but as a man, as a black man, as a husband, as a father.... I don't think he could easily divorce his faith from who he is."



heh....
 

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Kentucky is red and will always stay that way. It's not a gauge of what will be. But you have fun with your little theories.

i knew that you & bobby didn't understand what i meant & now after reading my posts i realize that i didn't explain myself too well...sorry about that..

i am only talking democratic voters & not which side carries the state...i think that the democratic voters of kentucky (demographics) are a better barometer of how america thinks than states such as calif, oregon, wash, ny, & the states in the northeast...

now i'm willing to admit that i may be wrong...but if somebody thinks that i am wrong tell me where...
 

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Tim Russert, in front of millions of Americans on Tuesday night, was quick to force Barack Obama to denounce Louis Farrakahn repeatedly until he worded it to Russert's satisfaction (evidently "unacceptable and reprehensible" didn't quite get the job done). Despite the fact that Obama never sought Farrakhan's endorsement, Russert felt this line of questioning was appropriate given Farrakhan's intolerant remarks about Jews in the past.

Okay, fair enough. But if that's the case, then why isn't he pressing John McCain about radical religious extremist uber-nut John Hagee?


Mr. McCain, who has been on a steady search for support among conservative and evangelical leaders who have long distrusted him, said he was "very honored'' by Mr. Hagee's endorsement. Asked about Mr. Hagee's extensive writings on Armageddon and about what one questioner said was Mr. Hagee's belief that the anti-Christ Mr. McCain responded that "all I can tell you is that I am very proud to have Pastor John Hagee's support.''


There is an outside chance gw, that you and the other neocons have terminal

funny-pictures-head-up-your-ass-Afq.jpg


syndrome.

how much money(earmarks) did "senator" obama steer toward this lunatic and his church?...i`m talking federal taxpayer dollars.....and i`m talking "earmarks" that everyone talks about abolishing.....

try $200,000......and thats federal money since bock has been a senator.....i haven`t even talked about all the local/state money he steered toward this wannabe gospel preacher while he was involved in illinois politics...

now....how much money in "earmarks" did mccain steer toward hagee and his church?....at any time?.....

take your time....

you can keep attacking me,wocky..that`s fine...acting foolish(the operative word here is "fool)....

by that i mean people like bock,wright and phlieger aren't fooling anybody that isn't already a fool.....

just watching the people in the congregation in some of these videos from the "trinity united thunderdome of raving racists and bigots" shows that there certainly is no shortage of fools to fool......
 

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Nice move Francis

Nice move Francis

It's now starting to be reported that Flayger has been removed from his position by Chicago's Cardinal head honcho. I thought they had a "good talk", but I'm hearing the whole "sermon" was pretty rough and the Cardinal finally saw all of it.
 

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I guess the good Father was asked by his boss's boss (the Cardinal) to step aside for a bit. The Father rejected this request. He was then removed and his position has already been replaced. Talking heads are saying he's most likely done as far as his priesthood goes and he'll come back with the same boyish look with another religious entity or as a lay person.

I guess he related to current events being worse than the death of his? adopted son, or maybe it was his brother or something. I'll have to get back to you on that. I got a feeling he's never handled himself over the years to well in the eyes of the church and this was just the last straw to push things over the edge. Maybe Ozzie Guillen is reading from the same playbook.
 

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I see Hagee quotes --what I fail to see is any association mccain had with him other than endorsement--has he named him uncle-mentor-wrotes books quoting him-named title of book after his sermons-was married by him--children baptised-juked and jived with him for twenty years in his parish.

--sorry but I fail to see any comparison unless your a Huffington post subscriber. :shrug:
 

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Dude just stop

Dude just stop

I saw that guy defending Wright a while ago. I don't know if these people matter anymore. Clearly, they do not represent Obama.

You need to srsly :stfu:

It's like you wake up each day with nothing in mind cept being the dumbest ****ing poster in the history of dumb ****ing posters. Did you even watch the video? It's about people saying stuff in refference to Hussein. Sakes alive, you are ignorant.
 
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