What Bush and the neo-cons really want...

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Allegations of public untruthfulness by Presidents -- often on important matters of state -- have been levelled at most Presidents. President Reagan faced accusations about his truthfulness regarding Iran-Contra. President Bush confronted similar charges, with The New York Times characterizing his statements on the subject as "incredible." President Johnson faced a "credibility gap" regarding his statements about the Viet Nam war. President Kennedy lied about the Bay of Pigs, and President Eisenhower lied about Gary Powers and the U2 incident. And many have suggested that Presidents Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt were less than fully candid about the prospective involvement of the United States in World Wars I and II. All of these alleged misstatements related to public policy. They denied the public and Congress an opportunity to exercise their democratic prerogative to affect those policies.

In a briefing for journalists reported on October 29, 2003, the director of the National Imagery and Mapping Agency said satellite images showed a heavy flow of traffic from Iraq into Syria just before the American invasion in March 2003. Retired Air Force Lieutenant General James Clapper Jr. said he believed "unquestionably" that illicit weapons material was transported into Syria and perhaps other countries. He said "I think people below the Saddam- Hussein-and-his-sons level saw what was coming and decided the best thing to do was to destroy and disperse. ... I think probably in the few months running up to the onset of the conflict, I think there was probably an intensive effort to disperse into private hands, to bury it, and to move it outside the country's borders."

In an exclusive interview with The Sunday Telegraph published on January 25, 2004, Dr. David Kay, the former head of the Iraq Survey Group, said there was evidence that unspecified materials had been moved to Syria shortly before the start of the war to overthrow Saddam. "We are not talking about a large stockpile of weapons," he said. "But we know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD programme. Precisely what went to Syria, and what has happened to it, is a major issue that needs to be resolved."

UN Confirms: WMDs Smuggled Out of Iraq
By Rod D. Martin June 21, 2004
In a report which might alternately be termed "stunning" or "terrifying", United Nations weapons inspectors confirmed last week not merely that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, but that he smuggled them out of his country, before, during and after the war.
Late last week, the UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC) briefed the Security Council on Saddam's lightning-fast dismantling of missile and WMD sites before and during the war. UNMOVIC executive chairman Demetrius Perricos detailed not only the export of thousands of tons of missile components, nuclear reactor vessels and fermenters for chemical and biological warheads, but also the discovery of many (but not most) of these items -- with UN inspection tags still on them -- as far afield as Jordan, Turkey and even Holland.
Notably absent from that list is Iraq's western neighbor Syria, ruled by its own Baath Party just like Saddam's and closed to even the thought of an UNMOVIC inspection. Israeli intelligence has been reporting the large-scale smuggling of Saddam's WMD program across the Syrian border since at least two months before the war. Syria has long been the world's foremost state-sponsor of terrorism.
Perricos highlighted the proliferation danger to the Security Council, as well he should: UNMOVIC has no idea where most of the WMD material is today, just that it exists and it's gone; and anything in Syria is likely to be in Jerusalem or New York tomorrow.
This is the biggest news story of 2004 so far. Yet you haven't heard about it, have you?
You probably haven't heard about Canada's Prime Minister Paul Martin either -- a socialist and no friend of America. Addressing a group of 700 university researchers and business leaders in Montreal last month, Martin stated bluntly that terrorists have acquired WMDs from Saddam. "The fact is that there is now, we know well, a proliferation of nuclear weapons, and that many weapons that Saddam Hussein had, we don't know where they are. Terrorists have access to all of them," the Canadian premier warned.
The tip of this terrorist sword was scarcely deflected on April 26th, when Jordanian intelligence broke up an al Qaeda conspiracy to detonate a large chemical device in the capital city of Amman. Directed by al Qaeda terrorist leader Abu al-Zarqawi -- the same man who personally beheaded American Nicholas Berg in Iraq last month -- the plotters sought to use a massive explosion to spread a "toxic cloud", meant to wipe out the U.S. embassy, the Jordanian prime minister's office, the Jordanian intelligence headquarters, and at least 20,000 civilians (by contrast, only 3,000 died on 9/11). Over twenty tons of chemical weapons were seized from the conspirators, who were just days away from carrying out their plot.
One wonders where CNN and USA Today think twenty tons of nerve gas and Sarin came from: Chemical Weapons-Mart? Yet their coverage, like most major media outlets, mentioned not a word about Saddam's smuggled WMDs, which -- according to liberal dogma --"don't exist."
Even though the UN says they do exist, now spread around the world.
It's not just the UN. Bill Clinton says they exist, even after the war: in a July 2003 interview with Larry King, the ex-president uncharacteristically defended George Bush, saying "it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there [was]...a substantial amount of biological and chemical material unaccounted for" in Iraq. Every intelligence agency in the world -- French, British, German, Russian, Czech, you name it -- agreed before the war; Jordanian intelligence can certainly confirm their opinion today.
So what's the deal? Why the relentless pretence that "Bush lied" when even the UN and Bill Clinton say he didn't? Why the absolute silence about "inconvenient" parts of various UN reports, such as the discovery of chemical and biological weapons plans, recipes and equipment; of bio-weapons agents in an Iraqi scientist's house; of a prison lab for testing bio weapons on humans; of complexes for manufacturing fuel for prohibited long-range missiles; of artillery rounds containing enough sarin to kill thousands of people, of similar shells containing mustard gas, two (but far from the only) of which were used in a terrorist attack against U.S. forces just weeks ago?
America cannot afford the answer to this "why": that many on the left consider George W. Bush's defeat more urgent than al Qaeda's, his political death more essential than the possible physical death of millions of Americans.
The character of our foreign enemies has never been in doubt.
The character of the enemy within -- from Dan Rather to Michael Moore -- has never been clearer.
And the stakes are the highest they've ever been.
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/337paflu.asp?pg=1
 
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WASHINGTON, July 14 (Reuters) - Senator John Kerry, whose campaign demanded to know on Wednesday whether President Bush had read a crucial intelligence assessment on Iraq, did not read the document himself before voting to give the president the authority to go to war, aides later acknowledged.

"Along with other senators, he was briefed on the contents of the N.I.E. by George Tenet and other administration intelligence officials," a Kerry spokesman, Phil Singer, said, referring to the document known as the National Intelligence Estimate.

Mr. Kerry's campaign has challenged Mr. Bush to say whether he read the complete intelligence report before deciding to go to war or whether he read only a one-page summary, which Democrats say gave him none of the dissenting views in the full version.

The Kerry campaign stepped up the attack on Wednesday, sending out an e-mail message with the headline, ! "Did anyone in the White House read the full National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq?"

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Nick,

I think you give Bush too much credit. I don't think he has any philosophy other than protect the super wealthy. His henchmen on the other hand, the puppet-masters....you are right on.
 

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Nick - much of what you say rings true. But you have really oversimplified and stereotyped people unfairly. Not everyone who embraces even a mildy conservative platform is a "neo-con", the latest word that means absolutely nothing. Some of us have the ability to think for ourselves and not throw the baby out with the bath water. Supporting one or more of your "neo-con" tenets does not necessarily mean one follows the script point by point.
 

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Nick--

Cogent arguments and excellent points until you brand homosexuality a sexual perversion. Makes you look like a dickhead. (That's a medical term. It means, "dickhead.") The same people who think homosexuals are "perverse" would not be thrilled with interracial marriage. "Bigots" they're called. I doubt that you're a full-time bigot. Just a part-time bigot and a dickhead.

I actually believe that the above name-calling elevates this aspect of the conversation.

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ocelot said:
Nick,

I think you give Bush too much credit. I don't think he has any philosophy other than protect the super wealthy.

I have never understood this point of view. Should there be no rich people?
 

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Sure we should have rich people. But they don't need the special attention they get from this administration. And they will get it from Kerry to if elected. Hey not to worry the meek will end up in charge in the end.
 

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It means they shouldn't be given advantages at the expense of this country and the middle and working classes. Cutting taxes for the wealthiest 1% while we reel into huge deficits and social security insolvency is not a recipe for success. Traditional fiscal conservatives recognize this while social conservatives are merely idiots whose votes can be bought for a few words about "Christian values", "one nation under God", etc. Most of the citizens of this country are not the Calvinists that Bush and his cronies are. But I digress.

We are not going to "grow" our way out of our financial crisis because the more we collectively earn the more our social security benefits rise. With a burgeoning elderly population we need to be reforming the social welfare system and should have been banking savings as a nation to prepare for the challenging times ahead. The last thing this country and the extremely well-off needed was a federal tax cut.
 

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jng,

Homosexuality is a sexual perversion. Countless people have tried to prove that people are "born gay" but it has never happened because it simply isn't true. You are 100% right when you say a lot of people who dislike gay marriage also dislike interracial marriage, but the similarities pretty much start and end with public perception. Race is something that has been cultivated based on culture and geography for centuries. This ancestral link then produces your race. The only thing proven to produce sexual perversions (homosexuality included) is childhood trauma, usually of a sexual nature.

ferd,

Neo-con does have a meaning. It means an aggressive pursuit of traditionally conservative values. What differentiates a neo-con from a traditional conservative is the aggression. Aggressive tax cuts, pre-emptive invasions, a macho leadership style, etc.

Chanman brings up some good points but remember that these are very right leaning sources that he is quoting.
 

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Canada Keeps Censoring Fox but OKs Al-Jazeera

Canada Keeps Censoring Fox but OKs Al-Jazeera

Canada's increasingly strange government, which continues to censor Fox News Channel, has covertly approved the unleashing of the terrorists' favorite propaganda machine.

"The federal broadcast regulator made one of its most controversial decisions in recent years when it approved the digital distribution [Thursday] of the Arabic-language TV news network Al-Jazeera, although it did so without any public hearings," the Toronto Globe and Mail reported today.

Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission, apparently caught up in Ottawa's P.C. craze for "diversity," also OK'd eight "other so-called ethnic distribution requests": five in Spanish, one German, one Romanian and another Arabic-language station.
But Canada's FNC fans who want a popular network that would actually draw an audience are out of luck. Like America's pseudo-intelligentsia, the Canadian elites have no tolerance for diversity of ideas that might be moderate, conservative, libertarian or patriotic.
 

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chanman,

i just read about what canada is doing.

very curious.

btw, thanks for all articles that you have posted here.

makes interesting reading late at night.

good job !!
 

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And not every so-called conservative embraces such ideas "aggressively" - that is my point. It is possible to have a different viewpoint on a variety of issues. Of course on this site, anyone that doesn't espouse the liberal line is branded a "neo-con."
 

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Ferdville, I beg to differ.It seems everyone here who doesn't spout the neocon line is labeled somewhat less than American.
 

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ferd,

I can't speak for every poster on this site, but I've always differentiated between traditional conservatives and neo-cons. This particular thread just happened to be started with a post about Bush-style neo-cons. There are a lot of intelligent conservatives who aren't so crazy with their aggressiveness.
 

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re Globe and Mail article...

go and read the original;
there are such extraordinary restrictions on any such broadcasts (i.e. to prevent anti-American, anti-Israel, anti-ad absurdium propaganda) that no telecommunications network is going to bother.

I guess, up here, we at least try to pretend that we're somewhat concerned with the frivolous spreading of hatred.

May your descendants transform what your ancestors have bestowed.

There's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into the noose
and it just sits there
watching.
(Steppenwolf--Monster-Suicide-America)
 

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Neo-con, as used by Nick and others supporting him in this discussion, is nothing but a slur. In real English, it would mean someone who is a new conservative or a new breed of conservative, and one who had historically been somewhat liberal. But the term has been more recently applied almost universally particularly to any Jewish conservative, and often to any hawkish conservative. Now Nick wants it to mean just plain old politically-active conservative.

Because you'll never find someone who self-defines themself as a Neo-con, it can only be viewed as a slur. You may as well go back to the old standbys that it has replaced when slurring the right -- Nazi and fascist. You mean the same thing. I think such name-calling is only used as a mask for your pathetically weak arguments.
 
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