WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS BILL

RAYMOND

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This HC bill has infuriated all moderate politicians not to mention seniors who comprise a LARGE portion of voters. Take heed and speak up against this outrageous proposal. If you don't act now by letting your voice heard then we deserve what's about to unfold.

The HC Bill is 1,018 pages and listed below is just a sampling of what should be of concern to us all. This really doesn't sound like America anymore.


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Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides wh at treatments/benes you get

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose Your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

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Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access to individuals' finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access to your banks accounts for elect. funds transfer

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange to bring priv HC plans under Govt control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - G ovt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC plans in the Exchange

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example - Translation for illegal aliens

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e.,=2 0ACORN & Americorps to sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - Your Health care WILL be rationed

-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will be automatically.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monop

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what you can make.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr with payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Businesses with payroll between 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC accrdng to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes. (Americans will pay)

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finan/pers recs

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Ye s, it says that

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same

PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries

PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals for what Govt deems preventable readmissions.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that results in a readmiss-Govt wil l penalize you.

Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand

Pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!

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Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority to disqual Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps into Govt plan

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs ppl! WTF. My sis has down syndrome!!

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can you say HC by phone?

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding you in death

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates pro gram for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may incl an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage

Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs

Here's the full Health Care bill that sits in the House. http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.pdf
 

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You're a liar, Raymond. A bald-faced outright liar.

I picked one of your claims at random to read.

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access to your banks accounts for elect. funds transfer

There is nothing, not one thing there about access to funds. It's part of a section about the Commissioner establishing contracts. There isn't even a line 24 on page 59.

You're a liar Raymond, a God-cursed liar.

Take that to the bank.
 

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21 ??(C) enable electronic funds transfers, in
22 order to allow automated reconciliation with the
23 related health care payment and remittance ad24
vice;
VerDate Nov 24 2008 23:22 Jul 14, 2009 Jkt 079200 PO 00000 Frm 00059 Fmt 6652 Sfmt 6201 E:\BILLS\H3200.IH H3200 jlentini on DSKJ8SOYB1PROD


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layinwood

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Saying that, I don't see the problem with the one you picked out Muff.

BCBS has the same thing in my contract with them and they take money out of my bank account every month.
 

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PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will be automatically.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice


Ray, I'm not sure about were you got this but it isn't correct.

It says that for the people have "not" elected to enroll will be automatically enrolled under medicaid. So they do have a choice.
 

RAYMOND

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FRIEND OF MINE EMAIL IT TO ME

JUST PASSED IT ON TO PEOPLE SMARTER THAN MYSELF:142smilie
 

layinwood

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Duff, I'm sure it was just a mistake on your part but the one Raymond posted is what was put in front of cogress.

I guess he's not a liar after all.
 

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21 ??(C) enable electronic funds transfers, in
22 order to allow automated reconciliation with the
23 related health care payment and remittance ad24 vice;
As long as this thread seems to be focusing on Pg. 59, lines 21-24, would someone please explain why electively authorizing a government agency to receive EFT's for healthcare payments (whatever they might be for) is a bad thing? If you're not comfortable with it, don't authorize it. Problem solved. :shrug:
 

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As long as this thread seems to be focusing on Pg. 59, lines 21-24, would someone please explain why electively authorizing a government agency to receive EFT's for healthcare payments (whatever they might be for) is a bad thing? If you're not comfortable with it, don't authorize it. Problem solved. :shrug:

That's exactly what I said in an earlier post, Blue Cross has the same thing in my contract with them and they take money out of my account every month. Doesn't worry me any but then again I'm not much on worrying about things like that.
 

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Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr with payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll


This will likely hurt me very badly. Some of you will automatically say " you should provide the option then" but you have to understand that I have a LOT of people that do contract work for me. They may work 40 hours for 3 months and then not work for me again or they may work for me in 5 months. But my payroll is well of 400k. I was looking at it and this will cut what I make by almost 45%. f this passes I will totally have to change the way I do part of my business.

What else can I say but Thank you Obama!
 
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