What has happened to this country?

[McVegas]

The one that says a blowjob is not sex.........just kidding, I think he is an asshole.

 

[gardenweasel]

SixFive:

"The majority of Americans" and "the majority of Americans actively involved prior to 2006 in the system" are different animals.

The Republican nominee will be McCain, who I really do respect on a majority of issues. If there are two Republicans who I may consider for president, they would be McCain and Colin Powell.

I should be thanking GW actually. Assuming we get out of the next two years alive and well, the Republicans will not stand a chance. George is stubborn, he will not change, and things will just get worse in the next 22 months. Yippee! A Dem in the White House but many more Americans lost. No victory at all.

It's been well documented that GW is a born-again Christian who relies on "faith" for important decisions. Of course, these decisions have nothing to do with some form of econimic equality that any historical account of Jesus Christ would verify as one of his main tenants. GW just assumes, I suppose, that a REAL leader such as the Almighty would be in favor of the increasing the profit margins of major oil companies and Haliburton. After all, they weren't around way back when.

No, GW skips over this to address the good vs. evil apocalyptic scenario of the Rapture. 'They are evil, we are chosen'. Osama Bin Laden heads 9/11, we should sure as hell have commited our resources to not only drive the Taliban out of Afghanistan, but to also kill OBL. Is this so freaking difficult to realize besides those straggling neo-Cons shaking their heads in blind affirmation at 'The Decider'?

Oh yeah, and FOX news. Forgot about them.

They are fair and balanced. Charlize Theron is ugly, the New York Yankees have a small payroll, and Eric Clapton can't play the guitar at all.

o.k...aside from your one astute observation("i hate bush,christians and conservatives"),how`s about an idea for for winning in iraq...or just leaving it "not" in the hands of iran......and not abandoning the allies we have there to be slaughtered by islamic fundamentalists or sunni militiamen...

any swinging dick can complain.....

make yourself useful...

 

[SixFive]

fla, GW relying on faith and guidance from God for important issues is no problem for me. I'm just interested in your post about prophecy and acting out the book or Revelation. Please expand on that thought.

sponge, Gore actually has strong roots in Tennessee. Thank you also for not just blanketly condemning Southerners as being stupid idiots like u usually do. I've never understood your posts in the past regarding the South, and I still don't understand what you're talking about in your last post (cutting the working man's throat and being played the fool). Do you really think all Southerners voted for GWB??? There are tons of Democrats in the South, and while I don't have stats to back this up, I'm quite sure that the majority of citizens registered to vote in the Southern states are registered in the Democratic party. Edwards, is also certainly no "working guy's guy".

I also respect all of the people I mentioned for accomplishments they have made in their collective lives. I don't hate any of them, nor do I wish any of them anything but good. If I'm wrong, and one of them gets elected, I'll be the first to say I was wrong and congratulations.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

"I should be thanking GW actually. Assuming we get out of the next two years alive and well, the Republicans will not stand a chance."

Hmm-- Isn't thats exactly what you were saying in prior to 04 election.

Do yourself a favor this time around and don't bet on it.

Lots of things can happen between now and 08.
the biggest against you is Dems winning congress--You now have Pelosi-Reid in spotlight and so far its been a gift that will just keep giving--and you have you top contender for pres nomination that couldn't get 40% of vote regardless of who the Rebs put up.

 

[The Sponge]

What exactly did Clinton do in his presidency other than happen to be elected right before an upturn in the economy driven by the internet boom and opening of China and Eastern Europe? What were the foreign policy wonders he pulled off? Ignoring the growing danger of Islamic terrorism and the attacks on the US - Somolia, Trade Center I, Kobar Towers, African Embassies, USS Cole? Wait, no he got Isreal and the Palestinians to kiss and make up and he stopped N Korea and Pakistan from developing nukes. Talk about someone who took credit for the current state of affairs and then left the next guy holding the bag...Clinton takes the cake.

Surely the complete lack of response to direct terrorist attacks on the US and allowing N Korea and Pakistan to develop nukes in no way sowed the seeds of what we are now dealing with.

I may be no fan of Bush, but at least I can open my eyes and see that our leaders have been lacking for a long, long time.

What exactly is the one policy Clinton inacted that you think makes him the most successful president of our lifetime?

First off i said my lifetime and not in our countries history. Its obvious you have hatred for the man and nothing i could say could or would change your mind. I will say one thing his budget produced a balance budget and a surplus and where we are right now from where we were then says it all. Yes its all his fault with terrorism. Pass the blame just like you righties always do. One thing you righties are experts at is the blame game. You could win an Olympic gold if it was a sport in the Olympics.

 

[The Sponge]

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sponge, Gore actually has strong roots in Tennessee. Thank you also for not just blanketly condemning Southerners as being stupid idiots like u usually do. I've never understood your posts in the past regarding the South, and I still don't understand what you're talking about in your last post (cutting the working man's throat and being played the fool). Do you really think all Southerners voted for GWB??? There are tons of Democrats in the South, and while I don't have stats to back this up, I'm quite sure that the majority of citizens registered to vote in the Southern states are registered in the Democratic party. Edwards, is also certainly no "working guy's guy".

I also respect all of the people I mentioned for accomplishments they have made in their collective lives. I don't hate any of them, nor do I wish any of them anything but good. If I'm wrong, and one of them gets elected, I'll be the first to say I was wrong and congratulations.

Six, i have said 55 percent of the south and not all. After rethinking what i said about the South i was wrong and i admit it. I shouldn't have said that but the word naive is what i should have said. Im not the only person who has these thoughts. Look, sometimes i get extremely frustrated because i see a war to me that was a con job on our people. I see kids dying for a rich mans war and nothing else. I see a few companies quadrupling their assets and they all have connections with this president. Somebody should be held accountable and in frustration after seeing another ten dead soldiers i lashed out at the south because they basically put this guy in office.
From what i have saw of Edwards i do think he is a working mans man. He is a strong Union guy so to me that is a working guys guy. Kerry i thought he make a decent president but i never really liked him but i knew he would be better than the collection of thieves in there now. Hillary i don't trust but i still think she would do better than most. Gore? i completely forgot he was from the south and i would take him over Hillary, Kerry, or Obsama. Still can't figure out what he did to turn so many people off. In closing these republicans in there now do nothing for the working people. Now Im not a big fan of the gov't helping me out but what i do want is for them to stay the hell out of my life. Don't make trade deals to screw our own people. Don't make laws to make it harder for our people. Don't go nation building and then when we need money for something you go vote no. Isn't it strange that the republicans are always fighting tooth and nail to deny us total health care but when it comes to Iraq they give this thief a blank check?

 

[shamrock]

dogs, I find it comical you say obama has "absolutely no credentials", exactly which successes did your Boy George W have, a absolute failure to everything and every business he ever touched. Ever hear what most of the baseball owners thought of this guy?

65, why does Gore have no chance? I'm no great fan of his, but he already won the popular vote once, Fair and square, then for the good of the country, he stepped back.

Only one that has no chance is McCain

http://news.bostonherald.com/editorial/view.bg?articleid=177706&srvc=home

 

[kosar]

Hmm-- Isn't thats exactly what you were saying in prior to 04 election.
Do yourself a favor this time around and don't bet on it.

Is it even possible that anyone on this planet doesn't understand that Bush and his Iraq adventure cost the Republicans both houses in 2006?

Wayne? Bueller?

In 2004 we were still watching video loops of that statue coming down and shots of W standing on that aircraft carrier fully equipped with a codpiece.

Even aside from all the early media pro-war bias, it took a homophobe amendment on Ohio's ballot to get an incumbent, wartime president re-elected.

 

[djv]

Kosar I forgot all about that Ohio action 04. And it took Supreme court in 2000. Just think with one Judge loaded up on triple the pain killers he should be on. And just happen to have the most influence. I would say even tho I'm no big Fan of AL Gore. He runs hard. The American people might reward him. It's easy to see now we would not have been any worse off last 6 years with him.
But I still would like to see a couple of good Governors go for it.

 

[kosar]

Kosar I forgot all about that Ohio action 04. And it took Supreme court in 2000. Just think with one Judge loaded up on triple the pain killers he should be on. And just happen to have the most influence. I would say even tho I'm no big Fan of AL Gore. He runs hard. The American people might reward him. It's easy to see now we would not have been any worse off last 6 years with him.
But I still would like to see a couple of good Governors go for it.

Dave,

Seriously. Comments about Reinquists painkillers dillutes any cogent point about that situation.

They had about 29 recounts down here and the hanging chads spoke. 300, or whatever, votes in this very big state decided that election, but there really is no good reason to think anything nefarious happened. It was what it was. Just like Nixon/Kennedy/Chicago in 1960. Whatever.

I beg Al Gore to stay out of the 2008 race.

He and John Kerry need to stay the hell out. Period.

That said, not only are you correct that things would not be any worse if Gore won in 2000, we wouldn't be spinning our wheels in a totally useless adventure in Iraq if Gore was elected.

 

[dr. freeze]

Other than Richardson, who I am afraid woudl open the borders right up, Gore is the only guy with the nuts in the democratic party that should be anywhere close to running the country

Obama -- Are you kidding me??? this guy is a complete joke

Clinton? -- uh no.... feminazi, queen jezebel

Kerry, HECK NO YOU TRAITOR!!!

Edwards -- scheister trial lawyer who claims he can "channel babies in wombs"

Kucinich -- this guy is a nut

Gore is strong and intelligent and has character -- despite his liberal ideology he could be trusted with the country in these times and would not sell us out like the Clintons

 

[dr. freeze]

Republicans have no one either

McCain -- this angry man should not be near "the button"

Giuliani -- why don't we just find Jimmy Hoffa

Brownback -- the job of president is way over his head

Romney -- typical Massachusetts flip flopper who shouldn't be allowed out of his state

WHERE ARE OUR LEADERS??????

Unfortunately, I think the drive by media chases away any and every decent man who should deserve the Presidency -- no one sane would ever want this job

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

If thats your position Matt--with lines already up on election I'd expect you to bet the farm and post your ticket here--or are you just talking the talk

 

[kosar]

If thats your position Matt--with lines already up on election I'd expect you to bet the farm and post your ticket here--or are you just talking the talk

Not sure I understand, my man. What 'position' of mine are you referring to? That Iraq cost the republicans both houses in 2006? Are you actually disputing that?

What 'ticket' would you like me to post?

No matter what happens, or continues to happen, in Iraq will not necessarily determine the 2008 presidential election, but I can guarantee that if things don't improve, the republicans will lose another good chunk of seats.

 

[flapjack]

First off i said my lifetime and not in our countries history. Its obvious you have hatred for the man and nothing i could say could or would change your mind. I will say one thing his budget produced a balance budget and a surplus and where we are right now from where we were then says it all. Yes its all his fault with terrorism. Pass the blame just like you righties always do. One thing you righties are experts at is the blame game. You could win an Olympic gold if it was a sport in the Olympics.

I have no hatred for the man - hell I voted for him. But, people give way, way too much credit to the president, negative or positive. As far as blaming Clinton for the build up in terrorism, hindsight is 20/20. But yes, I do believe our policies during Clinton's admin. towards terrorist attacks set up 9/11. Could Clinton have know this would be the result? Hell no, but looking back the pattern, direction things were heading and what the terrorists themselves have said it becomes clear.

As for the suplus and balanced budget - do you think the booming economy and the taxes gathered off of it had anything to do with the balanced budget? The budget is never really balanced, when the economy performs better than expected, we have surplus, and vice versa. He was an adequte president - nothing more, nothing less. The people who could make a difference as a president are most likely - uninterested in the job or unelectable. Instead we have to settle for voting for a couple empty suits with good connections - no election made that more evident than Bush vs Kerry. Bush, Kerry, Gore, Dole were candidates of almost no substance in my book yet somehow was the best their parites could come up with.

 

[AR182]

I have no hatred for the man - hell I voted for him. But, people give way, way too much credit to the president, negative or positive. As far as blaming Clinton for the build up in terrorism, hindsight is 20/20. But yes, I do believe our policies during Clinton's admin. towards terrorist attacks set up 9/11. Could Clinton have know this would be the result? Hell no, but looking back the pattern, direction things were heading and what the terrorists themselves have said it becomes clear.

As for the suplus and balanced budget - do you think the booming economy and the taxes gathered off of it had anything to do with the balanced budget? The budget is never really balanced, when the economy performs better than expected, we have surplus, and vice versa. He was an adequte president - nothing more, nothing less. The people who could make a difference as a president are most likely - uninterested in the job or unelectable. Instead we have to settle for voting for a couple empty suits with good connections - no election made that more evident than Bush vs Kerry. Bush, Kerry, Gore, Dole were candidates of almost no substance in my book yet somehow was the best their parites could come up with.

flapjack...

very good post.

unfortunately connections is the key to any election....whether it be national or local.

although i don't like clinton & i too voted for him twice & have no problem with his presidency. i'm not sure if he could have done anything to prevent 9/11...it's all hindsite.eventhough he came off poorly in the public, i did like dole. thought he knew what he was talking about...just thought he was too old.

 

[JT]

What about Biden on the democrats side?

 

[redsfann]

Joe Biden? No thank you. Had the dis-pleasure of meeting the man and chatting with him back when he ran for President in 1987. He spoke to one of my Poil Sci classes at the University of Iowa.
Found him to be a dolt of the 1st order-not too bright and quite arrogant, but I think thats the norm for anyone dumb enough to want to be President.


The Delaware senator ran for president in 1988 but withdrew from the race in 1987 amid accusations that he had plagiarized from speeches by a British Labor Party leader...:mj07:



Many did troop through Iowa City back then--and some still do--1st in the nation caucuses here in Ioway, you know.

Anyone remember Piere "Pete" DuPont? :mj07:

Wanted to be know as "Pete" so he would have a more man-of-the-people feel to him...
Or how about the man that was the front runner until the Donna Rice thingy came out? Gary Hart. Nice guy. Has a HUGE head that makes him look a bit like a cartoon character...would have worked for his campaign and voted for him...

Just found the complete list of Dummy-crats that ran that year. Not much has changed in 22 years ,eh?

Bruce E. Babbitt, former governor from Arizona
Joseph R. Biden Jr., U.S. senator from Delaware
Michael S. Dukakis, governor of Massachusetts
Richard A. "Dick" Gephardt, U.S. representative from Missouri
Albert A. Gore Jr., U.S. senator from Tennessee
Gary W. Hart, former U.S. senator from Colorado
the Rev. Jesse L. Jackson, civil rights activist
Patricia Schroeder, U.S. representative from Colorado
Paul M. Simon, U.S. senator from Illinois

and to be "fair and balanced" as my friend DTB likes to do, here are the Repubs that ran back then.

Bob Dole, Senator from Kansas, Senate Minority Leader
Pete DuPont, former Governor from Delaware
Alexander Haig, Reagan's former Secretary of State
Jack Kemp, Congressman from Buffalo, NY; former NFL player
Pat Robertson, evangelical preacher
Donald Rumsfeld, former United States Secretary of Defense.

Anyone else remember that Bush finished 3rd here in Iowa--behind Dole and Pat Robertson?? :scared:

Kemp also spoke to one of my classes, but he was on a tight schedule and didn't stick around for a Q and A afterward.

I don't recall if any of the others stopped by the People's Republic of Johnson County....

heard speeches from Dukakis, Gore and Jesse, but didn't get to meet any of them. Did meet and chat with Paul Simon and was very impressed with him--very smart--way too smart for national politics, IMO....

Everyone is forgetting about the next Dummycrat nominee---

Former Governor of the great state of Iowa, Tom Villsack.....

yeah, right. I think he is currently 4th in the polls in his own state....

FWIW, John Edwards is where the early support is--Hilary and Obama are a close 2nd and 3rd, though....