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unbelievable....unfreaking real

where is the outrage?????

need to do a story on little premature baby's contracting HIV from contaminated blood and showing how they live their lives.....do these fags really hate health this much???
 

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Would love to see one of these liberal wackos in a EM as the Doc ask them " You need blood , you have a choice, the untested Gay donor blood or the untested straight blood" ::: " DOC, give me that straight blood and hurry DAMMIT!"
 

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where is the outrage?????
Right here, good doctor! I still cannot believe that someone so bigoted and shortsighted is entering the field of medicine and I still sincerely hope that none of my patients encounter you in their hospital experiences!

That said, my opinion on the Red Cross' stand of not accepting blood from any man who has had sex with another man (even once) since 1977 is inflammatory, to say the least. While I support the ban on accepting blood from those who are anemic, IVDU's or sexually active gay men, to exclude an entire population is unfair.

Let's take into consideration that this is the Red Cross, the same organization who initially didn't believe that HIV/AIDS could be transmitted through blood transfusion and then, when faced with overwhelming evidence to the contrary, whined that testing all donors would be too costly! This organization still, knowingly, allowed tainted blood to be sold throughout the country to be used for transfusions! Their commitment to the almighty dollar allowed numerous unknowing recipients to become infected by this dreadful disease.

While there is a "window period" (up to six months or so) where HIV antibodies may not show up in blood specimens, I believe that exclusion of gay men back to 1977 is excessive. They will accept blood from anyone who has been tattooed or pierced after a waiting period of 12 months, why not someone who hasn't had gay sex for the same period of time? The antibodies for HIV would be reflected by that point and tests would be conclusive, if all specimens are being tested in the first place. Personally, I'm not certain that this is the case and they may already be playing russian roulette with the units of blood they're selling.

Let's face it, someone who wishes to knowingly place the blood supply at risk probably isn't going to be too truthful with the questionnaire in the first place! I work, on a daily basis, with a population of approximately 300 patients who are all infected with HIV. I don't know of one who would willingly and knowingly donate blood to be used to transfuse another person! To be honest, there are probably a few who would sell their blood but the Red Cross isn't about that. They collect donations then sell it back to people who are in critical need of their product. Don't let that "non-profit" status fool you! Blood products are big business.
 
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Answer the scenario GG setup ::

Straight or Gay MS. VA?
 

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I didn't quite understand your question but took a guess about what you were asking.

It would be neither! I wouldn't want untested blood regardless of its source, even if the donors were my own parents or sister. I would, however, trust theirs more than that supplied by the American Red Cross.

Sadly, I imagine I wouldn't have that choice.
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Did I answer your question or did you wish to know about my sexuality as well?
 
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VA.......as you should know by now......pay no attention to Dr. Freeze..........that guy is just pathetic......how anyone that closed minded could be a doctor is astounding........remember he actually thinks you "choose" to be gay :rolleyes:
 

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you idiots the tests for HIV and HCV are not 100% accurate so we use screening tests....we dont get blood from drug abusers and we dont get it from homosexuals...both behaviors disqualify you from donating to the blood bank

the whole practice of medicine is based on using FACTS and REASON not political correctness
 

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it appears

it appears

that although not paltable to many,"profiling", per se, is a necessary evil in many different aspects of society....

if you have the greater good of society at large as your goal....
 

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I have often thought the questionaire was too exclusive, but not because of the gay sex thing. Sex with prostitutes also excludes you, and that is fine with me as well. Men who have sex with men are the highest risk segment to contract HIV, so therefore, they are the most likely to have HIV even if they haven't been sexually active for years. Makes sense to exclude them to me.

I can't donate blood because I've been to Haiti. I certainly didn't have sex with a Haitian, but that doesn't matter on that questionaire.

VaNurse, I could care less if you are hetero, homo, or into horses, and I think the Red Cross welcomes Lesbian blood as a true lesbian is at less risk to catch HIV than a hetero man or woman.

I think Going Gone's question is of course never going to happen, but it would be easy for me also to choose that answer.
 
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I didn't quite understand your question but took a guess about what you were asking

Did I answer your question or did you wish to know about my sexuality as well?

Let me simplify it for you ::

Blood bag A was taken from a non drug using gay male ::
Blood bag B was taken from a non drug using straight male ::

You need a blood transfusion immediately , no testing possible, what's it going to be girl, A or B?


Sexuality ?:: Post a picture than I'll decide if I want to ask:tongue
 
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Dr. Freeze, being a medical student doesn't exclude one from idiot status. Your use of "we" as in "we don't get blood from...." would imply that you, personally, obtain the blood and screen it yourself which I seriously doubt. Your rationale also assumes that every donor is absolutely truthfull about their sexuality or experience with IV drug use which I also doubt. My concern is that our blood supply isn't being properly screened (as in every donor, every donation) due to the inherent expense and that the average American believes that it is fully certified "pure" before it's administered.

SixFive: Please cite your source on your statement "a true lesbian is at less risk to catch HIV than a hetero man or woman" because it's simply not true. Think about it; how could it be?

Pro190: We can go in circles on this ad nauseum but I believe if a person has been totally honest with him/herself and has contributed to the blood supply with the personal knowledge that he/she is free of disease and hasn't placed him/herself into any risky behavior, it just doesn't matter. I would want any blood product I received to be tested for diseases before it was administered to me even if it was offered by a nun!

P.S. Pro190, if you really feel the need, go to Dr. Strangelove's thread - Women of madjacksports.com
 
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VaNurse said:

SixFive: Please cite your source on your statement "a true lesbian is at less risk to catch HIV than a hetero man or woman" because it's simply not true. Think about it; how could it be?


How could it not be, there is no penis involved!

for reference, I'm trying to find some for you now, but I know that women who only have sexual relations with women (a true lesbian) are the lowest risk category for contracting HIV (all other drug use, tattoo, piercing, etc activities excluded).

Found 2 things: will cite the source then cut and paste the info below it.
http://www.thebody.com/bp/janfeb02/women_risk.html

"Women Who Have Sex With Women (WSW)
Female-to-female transmission of HIV appears to be a rare occurrence. However, case reports of female-to-female transmission of HIV and the well documented risk of female-to-male transmission of HIV indicate that vaginal secretions and menstrual blood are potentially infectious and that mucous membrane (e.g., oral, vaginal) exposure to these secretions have the potential to lead to HIV infection.
What do surveillance tools tell us about transmission between women?

Through December 1998, 109,311 women were reported with AIDS. Of these, 2,220 were reported to have had sex with women; however, the vast majority had other risks (such as injection drug use, sex with high-risk men, or receipt of blood or blood products). Of the 347 (out of 2,220) women who were reported to have had sex only with women, 98% also had another risk -- injection drug use in most cases.

Note: information on whether a woman had sex with women is missing in half of the 109,311 case reports, possibly because the physician did not elicit the information or the woman did not volunteer it.

What do investigations of female-to-female transmission show?

Women with AIDS whose only reported risk initially is sex with women are given high priority for follow-up investigation. As of December 1998, none of these investigations had confirmed female-to-female HIV transmission, either because other risks were subsequently identified or because, in a few cases, women declined to be interviewed. A separate study of more than 1 million female blood donors found no HIV-infected women whose only risk was sex with women. These findings suggest that female-to-female transmission of HIV is uncommon. However, they do not negate the possibility because it could be masked by other behaviors. "

and this http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/InSite.jsp?doc=2098.4527&page=pr-04-02

"How many lesbians in the US have HIV/AIDS?

Answered by Mary Salome, HIV InSite Prevention Producer
Question
How many lesbians in the US have HIV/AIDS?
Answer
Thanks for your question. The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) monitor transmission of HIV among several different groups, including women who have sex with women. Whether the women included in that group identify as lesbians or not isn't clear. In addition, the CDC note that "information on whether a woman had sex with women is missing in half of the 109,311 case reports, possibly because the physician did not elicit the information or the woman did not volunteer it." These factors make it difficult to answer your question.
That said, according to the CDC, 109,311 women were reported as having AIDS as of December, 1998. Of those, 2,220 reported that they had had sex with women. 347 of that group reported having sex exclusively with women. 98% of the 347 "also had another risk -- injection drug use in most cases." I couldn't find any information about the numbers of lesbians or women who have sex with women who are HIV-positive but do not have AIDS. "
 
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personal knowledge that he/she is free of disease and hasn't placed him/herself into any risky behavior, it just doesn't matter. I would want any blood product I received to be tested for diseases before it was administered to me even if it was offered by a nun!


WHAT:eek:, Risky Behavior is synonymous with Gay Sex, that was your best line yet!


YOU can dance around the ? so you don't offend anyone Gay but your true colors show by not just saying "Hell give me bag A " ::
 
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Six-Five: I, apparently, didn't interpret what you were saying as you intended. I agree there is a greater volume of fluid transmission between a man and woman. The plumbing is designed for the male to expel his fluids and for the female to receive and hold them (hence procreation) but there is hetero female-to-male transmission of HIV as well. This would assumably occur because there was a tear in the skin of the penis and that the woman's fluid was infective. There can be breaks in the skin of the mouth and lips and lesbians can be infected through oral sex although, admittedly, it is less likely.

Your original statement didn't address number of sexual partners or the sexual history of those partners. I am aware of the articles you cited and the data just isn't collected that would reveal a true picture. Your original statement didn't differentiate "(all other drug use, tattoo, piercing, etc activities excluded)". When you add that, I agree with you.



Pro190: Don't put words into my fingers! When I said "risky behavior" I was thinking promiscuity, unprotected anal intercourse (hetero or gay, either one), IVDU, etc. Nowhere did I say that gay sex = risky sex!!

I guess when you hit that "risky behavior" roadblock you failed to read the rest of the sentence. I shall place my "true color" into bold type for you. It just doesn't matter!
 

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I give blood all the time and think everyone who can should, have ben doing it since I was in college and my whole family except my late mom diabitc. I am AB PSOITIVE and also get calls a few times of year from united blood services to donate plasma and also for platletts and i don't mind, and i have poped a few ladies of the night and just say no, this was actions back in my run and gun days but my blood is good and practiced safe sex. I think it is a civic duty to give blood IMO and i do it for the help of others, that being said if i needed it fast and it was a major emergncy , i could care less who the blood was from nor would i be in the shape to know, i will take it from anyone as long as it is screeded and if it saves my life i am not going to worry if person was gay or not, the screen is good enough for me and very little blood is tainted copaired to what is donated, but if my life is on the line i could care less who they hell the blood is from, with out it i would be dead so i really could care less nor am i going to worry about it.

hell people shpuld be ashamed of theirself if that do not donate blood if they can and do it on a regular basis, sooner or later you or a loved one will need it, you are willing to take but not give.
i am happy that they need my platletes and plasma because of my blood type and it is a honer to give blood when my time comes around every few months:)
 
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Fletcher and VA ::

You are both missing the point of this Entire THREAD, The "Question " being asked is PART of the screening, believe me your Tune would change if you ended up in a situation that you recovered from and you found out you contracted HIV from tainted blood::

Both of you would be in court SUEING Everyone you could lay your eyes on, That is a FACT!
 

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then explain to me the question, also don't put that's a fact in caps , you know nothing about be so don't assume what you think.
 
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Believe me Fletch, I wasn't assuming what I think ;) , and after further review I still BELIEVE it is a FACT, hope we never find out
 
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