What the F is going on

british bulldog

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Now I don't know how your news is broadcast accross your various states in America, but here in the United Kingdom, facts and only the facts are allowed to be broadcast.
I have watched our national news for many days now alongwith CNN.

It would appear that CNN only comments on American activity and to the observer not involved it is made out that it is the Americans and only the Americans who are fighting this war.
Well what a fine job there not doing.

In your race to get to Bagdad and say you've done it all, you've left your fellow country man and woman to be picked off and isolated. Your troops have skirted towns and cities that show some resistance, leaving the supply and mechanics to face the gun fire. In your haste, you will reach Bagdad but have no support units as these will be further behind clearing the troops they failed to clear.

It took American troops 4 days to try and take Um Qada, now they've given it up as they have admitted they are unable to take it over and it's left to the British Royal Marines to take the City. Well that should take us less than two days, why? because man for man we are the best fighting unit anywhere in the World.

Rumfell or what ever his name is has got it wrong. As soon as major resistance was shown by Iraq, the troops should have stayed back and each city should have taken three days of bombing. Sod the Iraqi casulties. They showed they wanted to fight, so lets fight. Modern war is air strikes until it is safe for ground troops to move in.

However, the Americans fire patriot missles at British planes, so that theroy goes out the window. How can that mistake happen when each plane sends out a honing beacon. Then there's the American GI who tries to bomb his platoon up.

If this carries on not dealing with what is in front of us all, then this war will go on well into the hot summers in the Gulf, and then it will be much more difficult to fight and move troops.

Now I know we all love our country, and we what all our troops to return home. I pray for the safety of the American POW and also to those that have lost their lives, but you are really making a poor attempt leaving units isolated.

I know I will be slated for what I have written, but this is an observation from this side of the Atlantic.
 

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Good news BB, George Bush just called and is waiting for you to take over commanding the troops since you have it all figured out.

Decisions need made in war, plans need made in war and yes in war people die, it is a sad fact that we can't go to war with paint ball guns and once you are hit you are out, it does not work that way. Please print out the post you made and when the war is over and we are building a new gov't in Iraq and have removed Saddam from power you can eat that print out. It will take time, perhaps more time than first thought, and yes we will lose some brave soldiers who were willing to pay this price, but in the end the good guys will win.

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your wrong again brit. sighs.


I have seen many reports on Aussie and brit planes and troop involvements by other than americans.

We are in a guerilla war now. This could get ugly. The Rep Guard are hiding in the city of Baghdad waiting for us. They will hit and run from the rooftops and it will be very bad. They are hiding in residential areas.

The Brit plane hit by a patriot was coming in when there was fighting going on and all kinds of planes were in the air. It was a accident. People die in war. Accidents happen.


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i think he has a point...but we do need to get to baghdad quickly...cant really police every town there...
easy to armchair general this thing too
 
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No one knows what the F is going on, other than the military commanders. Mis-information and dis-information are routine, as evidenced by the dozens of examples 4 days into the campaign.
 

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i think bulldog has a point....

i think bulldog has a point....

i`m not sure this was a smart idea,this war.....i support the administration and the coalition(that may not be smart),but that`s me...but you can`t fight this war half assed....we started this.....we should be in this to win as fast as possible....all this surgical,controlled stuff...leaving the iraqi media intact to spew propaganda all day and night......the infrastructure totally in tact(telephones,water,power )......and they wonder why no refugees are heading for the borders.....are they kidding?....aside from loud explosions and smoke way outside of baghdad,it`s hard for the people to believe they are being invaded......


either you go in to win,or don`t do it.....this strategy is gonna get many american and british boys killed....white flags and then ambushes....soldiers in civilian clothes.....you can`t fight by the marquis of queensbury rules on the other guy`s home turf while he`kicking,biting and gouging.....

if they were gonna do this, they should have pounded that city and every major city and all the infra-structure....disorient them,and put some hurt on the people.....that`s how you get them tired of keeping saddam around..unfortunately,that`s the only way....it`s a war...you have to break their will.....not roll in the mud.....

one of my close cousin`s was in nam....he always said we fought that war with our hands tied behind our backs....it looks like we haven`t learned the lesson...
 
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Bulldog- Post is appreciated. Viewpoints and coverage from the U.K that is not seen here in the U.S. should be more than welcome.
 

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You can out run your rear guard. You have to make sure proper support is always with the supply line. In this case as they strech there distance from the jumbing off location and move inland more then 200 miles that is along line to be kept open from terror and gorilla attacks. I would think are leaders understand this. But in a couple of cases it sure did not look that way. And yes we should know by now what we see on FOX and CNN. Well it might have alittle USA slant to it. So some other off shore news can open the eyes some time.
 

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Sorry friends

It would appear that some of you have taken what I have said the wrong way. Perhaps it is the way a write and present my sentences.

Twelve years ago we went to Iraq with the UN's blessing. We attacked relentlessly from the air, knocking out roads, power, water. This prevented the civilians of Iraq to live and they were pleased to see the Americans and Brits. We brought with us supplies.

This present form of attack is for political correctness to keep the UN happy and all those that sit on the board.

It is now clear why Russia wanted to vote NO. They have began an enquiry because it has come to light that they were trading weapons with Iraq.

This is supposed to be a war, and you see from news film Iraqi's driving their cars to work in the morning. What the F--K is that about. These people should be shit scared, they should not come out of their house unless they want to flee the Cities.

It is sad that lives will be lost because we are trying to please the UN and others. The others can't give a toss, so they have F--K all to do or say with how this war should be fought.

The ground troops should hold back, while all cities leading into Bagdad are secure. Go in with relentless air attacks and drive the people out. Bring them out to us. While we carry on attacking like we are, they will lie in wait and pick troops off. They cant escape to the North or the West, it's the South and East that's the problem.

I know am not a general, but it worked twelve years ago and it certainly isn't working now. Just been on the news here that the troops thought they would be at Bagdad by today. The nearest we are is 60 miles away and that's only two units. The supplies and mechanics are 200 miles further behind just 50 miles inside the Kuwait border with the main forces battling just in front.
 

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should also be no TV, no power, no journalists, nothing in Baghdad.....

drive the people out of their so they wont get hurt....best way to save lives

now they are shields and also we will have to fight people clothed as civilians.....this could be a huge screwup
 

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although I agree with a good portions of what you have written, I could have sworn I saw a British officer say it was a malfunction of the British tornado that caused the Patriot incident.

Also wasn't it British helicopter pilots that collided into each other??

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This is as much a propaganda war than anything else. This is the only way saddam can win this, if other countries start feeling sorry for saddam. Up until this afternoon the int'l. red cross has stated that 1 civilian has been killed with about 40 injured. That is remarkable considering all the bombing of baghdad that has taken place.

The reason why the iraqi tv station is still operating is because the station is located in a day care center.

IMO, the two main cities to take is basra, which is located by the sea & is now being controlled by the Polish army. There are still pockets where thugs are still fighting but that should come under full allies control shortly.

In 5 days of fighting the allies death toll is less than 50 soldiers. One soldier dying is too much, but the war, I believe is going as planned. There are units coming from the south, west , & north who will converge on baghdad & surround the city.Then I heard that there will be special forces, that trained in No. Carolina in this type of city fighting, who will go & hunt these thugs down.

I don't think it is such a great idea that tv covers the war as it does. People are reacting & over-reacting to every move the military takes.People are starting to question every move that is made.Again the war is only 5 days old, with less than 50 deaths & covering about 300 miles, which imo is a pretty amazing accomplishment.
 

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AR182 your comments are noted and yes fifty deaths is remarkable and I agree it's fifty to many, but it is war.

One unit has moved 300 miles with several units 50 miles behind, however over 40% of troops are over 200 miles away from Bagdad. Basra is a main city mainly because of the oil pipe lines, but Um Qada is on the main supply road out of Kuwait and into Bagdad. This has yet to be occupied by our forces, and until such time, this is holding troop movement and progression up. If it's causing to much trouble, bomb it. They cant live and put up a fight when they are twenty feet under rubble.

I just feel this has been planned in such away as to keep the UN and it's fellow members happy.
 

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you are probably right BB, and supported by this text to

The Americans have violated their own doctrine where the ground phases of a military operation coincide in time with the destruction of the enemy from the air

The US made serious errors in their estimates of the Iraq's army strength and combat readiness. The US military intelligence and the CIA failed to uncover the true potential of the Iraqi forces and, in essence, misinformed the top military and civilian leadership of the coalition member countries.

i posted this link in another thread the info is supposedly from The GRU:

I don't know how reliable it is , but an interesting source.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/news/news002/news077.htm
 

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Of course they are trying to appease the un.

There is no time table for the troops to enter baghdad, it will be done when Franks thinks they are ready, not before.

I have complete confidence in the allies command & am positive everything is going as plan.

I stand by the last paragragh of my last post.
 

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BB:
thanks for your input and insight. I am glad we have your guys along. British forces are getting coverage here in the States but not as much as our guys. I'd say that is normal. Anyway, speed is obviously of the essence. I do not know why. Franks and CentCom do and they are pushing for Baghdad. I hate to think we left enemy forces on our flanks but for some reason we did.
The media lets out what they are allowed to. Remember that. We have no idea how many war casualties are building up on the Iraqi side. I agree we should have taken out power, Tv, etc but we are trying to keep these services intact for the civilians. Understandable but as BB says, this is war. I think they should continue with the bombing campaigns - relentlessly. Force the civs out of the cities. Soften the defense and save coalition lives in the process. Just my 2 cents.
 

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It is valuable to hear from the other side of the ocean in this case. I don't care whether it is FOX, CNN, MSNBC or the WB, we are getting more speculation that anything else. One guy hears something and tells another and he tells another and all of a sudden you have somebody talking about reports from 4 or 5 sources. I think we have far too many journalists over there and it is mucking things up. However, the alternative, no journalists or selected journalists, is equalably as bad or worse. Don't know why we are not knocking out their television, but smarter guys than I are running the show - at least I hope so. Keep the reports coming Bulldog - more viewpoints welcomed.
 

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For you who are intrested here is a link to the Iraqi armed forces organization

Republican Guard, Iraqi Army and People's Army, Air force

It seem that the US 3rd Motorized Infantry Division came up aginst the 3 army corps consistent of 6th Armored div, 11thInfantry div and 51st Mechanized on the 22-23

Iraqi Military guide

51st Mechanized was reported a few days ago to have surrenderd but that doesnt seem to be the case, it looks like this is going to be hard to win with out an more agressive air campain.
 
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