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MAN IM GETTING CRUSHED THIS YEAR. IS IT JUST ME? WHAT THE HELL IS GOIN ON. THIS IS MY THIRD SEASON OF BETTING. IVE WON EACH OF THE LAST 2 YEARS, BUT THIS YEAR STARTED GOING DOWN HILL 3 WEEKS AGO. WAS +6 UNITS, NOW -8 UNITS. TO ANY MORE EXPERIENCED PLAYERS, I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU COULD GIVE ME SOME TIPS FOR GETTING BACK ON TRACK.....
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If you are winner...you are sharp. Books are increasingly guarding themselves against sharp players...with lines that are not generated in order to balance action, but are created in order to steal value from the sharps. They understand that the squares will eventually find a way to lose their money, not through a losing percentage, but through lack of money management, chasing, etc..... KC-3.5 last night was a joke, only the sharpest of the sharps played OAK, contrarians played OAK, and squares in droves not seen since a bookmaker posted a wrong number, played KANSAS CITY...

They are forfeiting the losses to the squares in order to succeed in battle against the sharps...in my opinion... Miami-3 @ JAX is NEVER gonna attract balanced action and they know it.

Just my idea...as a former winner, turned loser. Hang in there, the second half of the year will force better lines, and better value for the contrarian...

Iron.
 

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Joe Public and Captain Obvious have been killing the NFL this year.

Look at all the easy favs covering every week

Bet against Atlanta, Arizona, Detroit and the bad teams and you win. It's amazing and it sucks
 

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only the sharpest of the sharps played OAK,

that is laughable..

people played oak to look sharp and to fade the public.. the stats, injury reports and past games dont lie.. there was no reason to waste good money on Oak. they are a sorry ass team..

kid (who is the best gambler on this site), anthony, senor capper, crazy fingers, showrunner, hank goldberg, the capper from USA today... and other reputable cappers were all over kc yesterday.

just b/c someone is on a public play doesnt always mean its the wrong one..

just my opinion..


GL

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goat.. in my opinion the games are tuff this year b/c teams are not winning at home.. yes the lines are tighter this year but to me ive never seen so many home dogs go down.. homefield advatage seems to mean nothing thus far.. dogs arent covering as well.. but they will. my advice is to be patient. dont chase.. and all of this will even out..


good luck gents:)

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:p GOOD STUFF GUYS, I APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT. THANKS IRON, THAT WAS A GOOD POST. TRYING TO WORK MY WAY BACK ONE LITTLE HIT AT A TIME. I HAVE PROBABLY BEEN PLAYING TOO MANY GAMES JUST TO BET, BECAUSE IVE BEEN HITTING AND I THOUGHT I WAS BETTER THAN I REALLY AM.:eek: IM CRUSHING THEIR :moon: FROM HERE ON OUT THOUGH...
 

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Gibber-

Your inablility to understand what I am saying is directly related to my ability to consistently win money in sports handicapping.

Don't feel threatened because you bet on KC last night, certainly...there were many sharp bettors on them...but, the fact remains...squares were NOT betting on Oakland last night.., and even you can understand that stone cold FACT.!!!

The names you mention, make me chuckle...for a variety of reasons, picking a winner certainly doesn't make you sharp...and crazy fingers (a former roomate of mine) can vouch for that...

Kid? lol.
Golberg? lol

Keep eating chalk, and you will soon be eating crow.

Good luck to all.
 
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Hey wait a click

Hey wait a click

I believe I rate at least a chuckle there Gator.

BTW who is this Kid ?

K9kid ?
Kiddz Corner ?
Kid Cash ?
Kid Curry ?

think I'm missing out


SC
 
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An old coach one time told me "Brick you gotta adjust to meet the sitcheeation. " I think many of us are blinded to what has worked in the past and will stay with it come hell or high water. As much as I respect his opinions, I think Nolan falls right into this catagory for example. He consistiently goes way overboard to pick UNDERS when there are probably many more easy OVERS on that weeks card. His (our) refusal to adjust to current condtions will blindly lead us to losses. In todays NFL many teams score more points. Why not search out logical OVER plays rather than just say "only squares play overs and favorites" Who cares if the squares are all over it if it wins. Sometimes being contraian works, sometimes it doesn't. "Adjust to meet the sitcheeation"
This is JMHO. No offense meant to anyone.
 

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"that is laughable.. people played oak to look sharp and to fade the public.. the stats, injury reports and past games dont lie.. there was no reason to waste good money on Oak. they are a sorry ass team.. " Well said.

There is no conspiracy and Al-Queda is not running Las Vegas this year. There are some obvious plays every weekend and if you start second and third guessing yourself you need to take up another hobby for a while. Las Vegas is not out to screw the square or the sharp, they are out to make money, and they will every year on parlays and teasers. Go ahead and be a paranoid every weekend and I will take your money every weekend.

When I see Ironlocks posts up there winning week after week then I will not regard him as a ranting paranoid or some sort of plant (maybe a fern, or a dandelion).
 
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you can probably count on one hand how many loosing weeks pgh kid has had in the two years hes been posting here... you should pay more attention..

as for me eating chalk?? im probably one of the biggest dog bettors out there.. but that doesnt mean ill put money on shitty teams.. ( guess you didnt see many of my picks last year.) my point was i saw alot of guys on oak last night and no one had a reason other than.. well everyone likes kc so ill take oak


Your inablility to understand what I am saying is directly related to my ability to consistently win money in sports handicapping.

havent seen alot of your picks but i know youve been around awhile.. however your not the only one whos making money doing this.....

sorry you took what i said so personally.. didnt mean to jump on you..

good luck..
 

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No problem.

Sorry If I came off like a smart azz...I know I do sometimes.

These are the discussions that are meaningful in my eyes... I don't follow people on the boards so I don't know kid or whatever...I have posted my plays in the past, and probably ended up with around a 58% clip over two seasons, but am past trying to prove that I am a winner to everyone.... I'll leave that for others.

I do take exception to bubba's reply. In my opinion, it lacks clear thinking and was a weak attempt at discrediting a well thought out opinion. At the very least, he agrees that the books are "ought to make money", but somehow, he thinks this has nothing to with protecting themselves against sharp action. While I disagree, everyone is entitled to an opinion.

No one said there was a conspiracy. Simpletons with no understanding of bookmaking, will always characterize an attempt to explain the boommakers' strategy as, ...'conspiracy theory'. Rubbish.

Brick-
I do agree with most of what you said, it is very difficult to adjust if one needs to...however, my argument here is that the winning way, is the winning way...(aka finding value) and the value is found, in most situations...on the opposite side of the majority of the action/opinion. Anything else is simply betting on an opinion, or in other words, fooling one's self into thinking that the market price is the 'wrong' price...which is simply not the case...the price is almost always..the right price, despite having a degree of exploitable value.

gman2-
Thanks for the kind words.

Hope all of you have a good year.

Iron.
 

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As far as picks go...here are a few.

Cleveland +6
Detroit +3 (may get 3.5 later this week)
Tampa Bay -6.5
Carolina +2

If any honest, self respecting gambler would like to fade me, I am willing to place a little side action. ;)
 

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"I do take exception to bubba's reply. In my opinion, it lacks clear thinking and was a weak attempt at discrediting a well thought out opinion. At the very least, he agrees that the books are "ought to make money", but somehow, he thinks this has nothing to with protecting themselves against sharp action. While I disagree, everyone is entitled to an opinion.
No one said there was a conspiracy. Simpletons with no understanding of bookmaking, will always characterize an attempt to explain the boommakers' strategy as, ...'conspiracy theory'. Rubbish. "

First you misquote me by adding a misspelling that I did not originally make, then you bring in something about "boommakers " (sic) protecting themselves against sharp action, which wasn't in my original comment (their protection is getting the line 50/50) and then you call me a simpleton by allusion. I will only leave a simple :nono: instead of what I would really like so as to leave on a good note.
 
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gibber:

can certainly respect your view and your points, but its too much of a blanket statement to say "there was no good reason to bet the raiders and the ones who did only did it to be different"

clearly, thats a preposterous statement. i do know what youre somewhat getting at. sometimes theres guys who come in and pop their mouth off just to be different.

hell, theres idiots who think theyre "fading the public" when they see 58% on one side of a game at a consensus site.

they dont understand sample sizes and mathematics very well.

as for the monday night, i had the raiders. and i have no regrets. they were the more desperate team and they had their chances to cover. didnt happen. not gonna sweat it.

there were some good cappers on the chiefs.
there were some good cappers on the raiders.

i wrote my thoughts up on the game, as did guys like rander city, IX bender, et al.

ive got far better things to do than bet a play just to be different. hell, if i wanted to be "different" id donate my money to charity, that would be "different".

raiders didnt cover. no sweat. i lost a few hundred bucks.

but just like its unfair to label chiefs bettors as 'squares' , its equally as unfair to say something stupid like 'theres no good reason to bet oakland'

take it easy man. gl this weekend.
 
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IRON---I "GET" WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, AND FOR SOME REASON YOU THINK I WAS ON KC MONDAY NIGHT. I HAD OAKLAND FROM THE GO, ALONG WITH THE OVER WHICH IS WHAT KILLED ME. I WAS POINTING MORE TO THE PAST FEW WEEKS AS OPPOSED TO JUST MONDAY NIGHT. I FELT LIKE I WAS DEFINATELY ON THE RIGHT SIDE POINT WISE MONDAY, OAK JUST DIDNT GET IT DONE. THIS FOLLOWS MORE TO MY POINT OF IF I DONT "LOVE" IT, I SHOULD HAVE PLAYED IT SMALL OR NOT AT ALL, INSTEAD OF TALKING MYSELF INTO A BIGGER BET.:nono:
 

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ive got far better things to do than bet a play just to be different. hell, if i wanted to be "different" id donate my money to charity, that would be "different".

raiders didnt cover. no sweat. i lost a few hundred bucks.

Well said.

Ive always stated my disdain for strictly contrarian type plays.
Handicap the coaches, players, gameplan, and matchups - not the bettors.

The Raiders took Dante Hall out of the game as expected and limited their penalties from 19 in the previous game to 6.
Certain things did not materalize such as their relatively ineffective running game, which could be attributed to both situational aspects as well as (poor) coaching. Even still, you could say this game came down to Buchanan muffing that punt inside the ten yard line.

All that aside.

There were good cappers on the Chiefs, there were good cappers on the Raiders. Same case for every game from here on to the rest of the season.

The Chiefs were definitely a 'public' play.

I have no problem being on or against the 'public' in any given game on any given Sunday. The bookmakers in Vegas and around the world are going to make money. Understand that as fact. Linesmakers don't hand out 'gifts'. If a line is off or wrong in your opinion, then find out why. If you can't discern the rationale behind the line, well, you are halfway there to being a successful sports investor.
 

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ironlock...

ironlock...

was surprised to see a post from you. fwiw, wish you would start posting again.

good luck to you.
 
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