so it's a blog thing. got it.
he asked for reference to obamamessiah, so I gave it. :shrug:
Whats the difference between Obama and any other Democratic Candidate..
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he asked for reference to obamamessiah, so I gave it. :shrug:
Per your taxes-rhetoric
Here are a few more questions we'll get no response to from you.
When is last time any liberal cut taxes ?
When has O ever actually voted to pass tax cut.
How do you vote to repeal all that got tax breaks that every tax payor got under Bush and LOWER taxes?
Is increasing taxes on capital gains/dividends a tax cut?
How about raising ceiling on payroll--another tax break?
These are all easy to verify and your only postion is a campaign promise-correct?
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and to answer original question in thread--
Whats the difference between Obama and any other Democratic Candidate..
They know the name of most their relatives:shrug:
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I have seen an independent study that states under obamas tax plan 95% of americans would pay < than they are now and < under mccain.... there is more than one study and it's all over the net..... I believe he has to deliver this...... I voted for 41 because he said no new taxes.... then I voted against him with perot.....obama has said, he may not raise tax on the 250k + if the economy is in a recesison.... I think we are close so he won't..... you think it's good so he might... Obama is a politician, so who knows..... I chose to take my chances with him..... if you look at his plan, a tax payer has to make close to 250K to pay more.....are you trying to tell me you don't understand this ??? I have never voted for a liberal so I don't know when is the last time one cut taxes but I could look it up.... I think obama did vote to cut taxes in ILL for the middle class...
if you look at everything out there .. Obama is all in on tax cuts for 95% of America..... He can't go back on this..... If he does he will get what 41 did...one term......
He can/has and will go back on anything.
In his book
O--the Rev is my uncle/mentor for past 20 year
after radical rants on tape
O- I can no more disown him [Rev. Jeremiah Wright] than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother
Folllowing week Rev says O is only playing politics to the Bryants of the world.
O--I disown Rev
:142smilie
-- he's playing you like a fiddle.
In his book
O--the Rev is my uncle/mentor for past 20 year
after radical rants on tape
O- I can no more disown him [Rev. Jeremiah Wright] than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother
Folllowing week Rev says O is only playing politics to the Bryants of the world.
O--I disown Rev
:142smilie
-- he's playing you like a fiddle.
Yeah, Obama is playing us like a fiddle, but the alternative is a person who the right, conservatives and republicans railed on for years and especially during the primary season as being a liberal, radical, and someone they would never consider voting for. I believe many said they would rather vote democratic. Now, he's your guy, and a great choice for President.
Nothing like keeping things real, eh? :00x15
Nothing like keeping things real, eh? :00x15
from CBS --for a liberal view
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/17/politics/main2369157.shtml
Obama Record May Be Gold Mine For Critics
Eight Years As State Senator Were Full Of Controversial Votes, Including Abortion And Gun Control
SPRINGFIELD, Ill., Jan. 17, 2007
(AP) Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama may have a lot of explaining to do.
He voted against requiring medical care for aborted fetuses who survive. He supported allowing retired police officers to carry concealed weapons, but opposed allowing people to use banned handguns to defend against intruders in their homes. And the list of sensitive topics goes on.
With only a slim, two-year record in the U.S. Senate, Obama doesn't have many controversial congressional votes which political opponents can frame into attack ads. But his eight years as an Illinois state senator are sprinkled with potentially explosive land mines, such as his abortion and gun control votes.
Obama ? who filed papers this week creating an exploratory committee to seek the 2008 Democratic nomination ? may also find himself fielding questions about his actions outside public office, from his acknowledgment of cocaine use in his youth to a more recent land purchase from a political supporter who is facing charges in an unrelated kickback scheme involving investment firms seeking state business.
Obama was known in the Illinois Capitol as a consistently liberal senator who reflected the views of voters in his Chicago district. He helped reform the state death penalty system and create tax breaks for the poor while developing a reputation as someone who would work with critics to build consensus.
He had a 100 percent rating from the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council for his support of abortion rights, family planning services and health insurance coverage for female contraceptives.
One vote that especially riled abortion opponents involved restrictions on a type of abortion where the fetus sometimes survives, occasionally for hours. The restrictions, which never became law, included requiring the presence of a second doctor to care for the fetus.
"Everyone's going to use this and pound him over the head with it," said Daniel McConchie, vice president and chief of staff for Americans United for Life.
Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs said voters will be able to judge distorted accounts of his votes against his legislative career in general.
"I don't doubt that if you take a series of votes and twist them and kind of squint, you can write a narrative the way you want to write it," Gibbs said. "I think what people understand is that (what matters) is taking the full measure of his career and the full measure of his legislative efforts."
Abortion opponents see Obama's vote on medical care for aborted fetuses as a refusal to protect the helpless. Some have even accused him of supporting infanticide.
Obama ? who joined several other Democrats in voting "present" in 2001 and "no" the next year ? argued the legislation was worded in a way that unconstitutionally threatened a woman's right to abortion by defining the fetus as a child.
"It would essentially bar abortions because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this was a child then this would be an anti-abortion statute," Obama said in the Senate's debate in March 2001.
During his 2004 run for U.S. Senate, Obama said he supported similar federal legislation that included language clarifying that the measure did not interfere with abortion rights.
Such hot-button issues were the exception in a legislative career that focused more on building consensus to improve the justice system and aid the poor.
Gibbs noted Obama's leadership on legislation requiring police to videotape interrogations in murder cases. It started out as a controversial idea but ended up passing the Senate unanimously.
Allies and opponents alike say he listened to those who disagreed, cooperated with Republicans and incorporated other people's suggestions for improving legislation.
"He was looked upon by members of both parties as someone whose view we listened carefully to," said Republican state Sen. Kirk Dillard from Hinsdale, Ill.
Obama regularly supported gun-control measures, including a ban on semiautomatic "assault weapons" and a limit on handgun purchases to one a month.
He also opposed letting people use a self-defense argument if charged with violating local handgun bans by using weapons in their homes. The bill was a reaction to a Chicago-area man who, after shooting an intruder, was charged with a handgun violation.
Supporters framed the issue as a fundamental question of whether homeowners have the right to protect themselves.
Obama joined several Chicago Democrats who argued the measure could open loopholes letting gun owners use their weapons on the street. They said local governments should have the final say, but the self-defense exception passed 41-16 and ultimately became state law.
"It's bad politics to be on the wrong side of the Second Amendment come election time," said Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association. "It will certainly be talked about. You can take that to the bank."
On the other hand, Obama parted company with gun control advocates when he backed a measure to let retired police officers and military police carry concealed weapons.
Obama occasionally supported higher taxes, joining other Democrats in pushing to raise more than 300 taxes and fees on businesses in 2004 to help solve a budget deficit. The increases passed the Senate 30-28.
That's one reason Illinois business groups gave Obama a low rating, while labor groups praised him. But even Obama's allies say he refused to become a rubber stamp for their legislation.
"He always wants to understand an issue and think it through," said Roberta Lynch, deputy director for Council 31 of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees. "You have to make your case no matter who you are."
For six years, Obama served in a Republican-controlled Senate, so he and fellow Democrats only got a fraction of their bills signed into law.
During his last two years, Democrats controlled the chamber and he was the go-to guy on a variety of issues. He helped pass legislation overhauling Illinois' troubled capital punishment system and was a key figure in requiring a massive statewide study of traffic stops to look for signs of racial profiling. Although police groups opposed the legislation, they say Obama listened to their concerns and accepted some of their suggestions to improve the bill.
Even when he was in the political minority, Obama sometimes played a critical role. He helped write one of the rare ethics laws in a state known for government corruption and worked on welfare reform with Republicans.
He sponsored legislation to bar job and housing discrimination against gays, and he helped create a state version of the earned income tax credit for the poor. Obama also led efforts to reject federal rules that would have put workers' overtime checks in jeopardy.
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Obama?s state senate votes on some key issues:
BUDGET & TAXES=
Voted to raise the minimum wage in Illinois from $5.15 an hour to $6.50 an hour over two years. (2003)
Helped pass a 5 percent earned-income tax credit for low-income working families in 2000; made the credit permanent in 2003.
Voted to end $300 million worth of tax breaks for businesses. (2004)
Voted against making permanent the repeal of the state's 5 percent sales tax on gasoline. (2000)
HEALTH CARE=
Voted for having Illinois endorse embryonic stem cell research. (2004)
Successfully sponsored the Health Care Justice Act, a study of ways to implement a universal health care system statewide. (2004)
Voted against restrictions on public funding of abortion. (2000)
Successfully co-sponsored a prescription drug discount buying club program for seniors and the disabled. (2003)
CRIME & GUN CONTROL
Voted against letting people argue self-defense in court if charged with violating local weapons bans by using a gun in their home. (2004)
Voted to let retired police and military police carry concealed weapons. (2004)
Successfully sponsored requirement that law enforcement videotape interrogations of suspects in some serious crimes. (2003)
Successfully sponsored law enforcement study of the race of people pulled over for traffic tickets. (2003)
Helped pass an overhaul of the state's troubled death penalty system. (2003)
Unsuccessfully sponsored measure to expunge some criminal records and create an employment grant program for ex-criminals. (2002)
Unsuccessfully sponsored limit of one handgun purchase per month. (2000)
Voted against making gang members eligible for the death penalty if they kill someone to help their gang. (2001)
Unsuccessfully co-sponsored ban on discrimination based on sexual orientation. The measure became law after Obama was elected to the U.S. Senate. (2003)
Successfully sponsored move to shield Illinois workers from federal rules that threatened overtime pay for some employees.
Successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform called the Gift Ban Act. (1998)
Voted against giving tax credits to parents who send their children to private school. (1999)
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/17/politics/main2369157.shtml
Obama Record May Be Gold Mine For Critics
Eight Years As State Senator Were Full Of Controversial Votes, Including Abortion And Gun Control
SPRINGFIELD, Ill., Jan. 17, 2007
(AP) Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama may have a lot of explaining to do.
He voted against requiring medical care for aborted fetuses who survive. He supported allowing retired police officers to carry concealed weapons, but opposed allowing people to use banned handguns to defend against intruders in their homes. And the list of sensitive topics goes on.
With only a slim, two-year record in the U.S. Senate, Obama doesn't have many controversial congressional votes which political opponents can frame into attack ads. But his eight years as an Illinois state senator are sprinkled with potentially explosive land mines, such as his abortion and gun control votes.
Obama ? who filed papers this week creating an exploratory committee to seek the 2008 Democratic nomination ? may also find himself fielding questions about his actions outside public office, from his acknowledgment of cocaine use in his youth to a more recent land purchase from a political supporter who is facing charges in an unrelated kickback scheme involving investment firms seeking state business.
Obama was known in the Illinois Capitol as a consistently liberal senator who reflected the views of voters in his Chicago district. He helped reform the state death penalty system and create tax breaks for the poor while developing a reputation as someone who would work with critics to build consensus.
He had a 100 percent rating from the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council for his support of abortion rights, family planning services and health insurance coverage for female contraceptives.
One vote that especially riled abortion opponents involved restrictions on a type of abortion where the fetus sometimes survives, occasionally for hours. The restrictions, which never became law, included requiring the presence of a second doctor to care for the fetus.
"Everyone's going to use this and pound him over the head with it," said Daniel McConchie, vice president and chief of staff for Americans United for Life.
Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs said voters will be able to judge distorted accounts of his votes against his legislative career in general.
"I don't doubt that if you take a series of votes and twist them and kind of squint, you can write a narrative the way you want to write it," Gibbs said. "I think what people understand is that (what matters) is taking the full measure of his career and the full measure of his legislative efforts."
Abortion opponents see Obama's vote on medical care for aborted fetuses as a refusal to protect the helpless. Some have even accused him of supporting infanticide.
Obama ? who joined several other Democrats in voting "present" in 2001 and "no" the next year ? argued the legislation was worded in a way that unconstitutionally threatened a woman's right to abortion by defining the fetus as a child.
"It would essentially bar abortions because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this was a child then this would be an anti-abortion statute," Obama said in the Senate's debate in March 2001.
During his 2004 run for U.S. Senate, Obama said he supported similar federal legislation that included language clarifying that the measure did not interfere with abortion rights.
Such hot-button issues were the exception in a legislative career that focused more on building consensus to improve the justice system and aid the poor.
Gibbs noted Obama's leadership on legislation requiring police to videotape interrogations in murder cases. It started out as a controversial idea but ended up passing the Senate unanimously.
Allies and opponents alike say he listened to those who disagreed, cooperated with Republicans and incorporated other people's suggestions for improving legislation.
"He was looked upon by members of both parties as someone whose view we listened carefully to," said Republican state Sen. Kirk Dillard from Hinsdale, Ill.
Obama regularly supported gun-control measures, including a ban on semiautomatic "assault weapons" and a limit on handgun purchases to one a month.
He also opposed letting people use a self-defense argument if charged with violating local handgun bans by using weapons in their homes. The bill was a reaction to a Chicago-area man who, after shooting an intruder, was charged with a handgun violation.
Supporters framed the issue as a fundamental question of whether homeowners have the right to protect themselves.
Obama joined several Chicago Democrats who argued the measure could open loopholes letting gun owners use their weapons on the street. They said local governments should have the final say, but the self-defense exception passed 41-16 and ultimately became state law.
"It's bad politics to be on the wrong side of the Second Amendment come election time," said Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association. "It will certainly be talked about. You can take that to the bank."
On the other hand, Obama parted company with gun control advocates when he backed a measure to let retired police officers and military police carry concealed weapons.
Obama occasionally supported higher taxes, joining other Democrats in pushing to raise more than 300 taxes and fees on businesses in 2004 to help solve a budget deficit. The increases passed the Senate 30-28.
That's one reason Illinois business groups gave Obama a low rating, while labor groups praised him. But even Obama's allies say he refused to become a rubber stamp for their legislation.
"He always wants to understand an issue and think it through," said Roberta Lynch, deputy director for Council 31 of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees. "You have to make your case no matter who you are."
For six years, Obama served in a Republican-controlled Senate, so he and fellow Democrats only got a fraction of their bills signed into law.
During his last two years, Democrats controlled the chamber and he was the go-to guy on a variety of issues. He helped pass legislation overhauling Illinois' troubled capital punishment system and was a key figure in requiring a massive statewide study of traffic stops to look for signs of racial profiling. Although police groups opposed the legislation, they say Obama listened to their concerns and accepted some of their suggestions to improve the bill.
Even when he was in the political minority, Obama sometimes played a critical role. He helped write one of the rare ethics laws in a state known for government corruption and worked on welfare reform with Republicans.
He sponsored legislation to bar job and housing discrimination against gays, and he helped create a state version of the earned income tax credit for the poor. Obama also led efforts to reject federal rules that would have put workers' overtime checks in jeopardy.
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Obama?s state senate votes on some key issues:
BUDGET & TAXES=
Voted to raise the minimum wage in Illinois from $5.15 an hour to $6.50 an hour over two years. (2003)
Helped pass a 5 percent earned-income tax credit for low-income working families in 2000; made the credit permanent in 2003.
Voted to end $300 million worth of tax breaks for businesses. (2004)
Voted against making permanent the repeal of the state's 5 percent sales tax on gasoline. (2000)
HEALTH CARE=
Voted for having Illinois endorse embryonic stem cell research. (2004)
Successfully sponsored the Health Care Justice Act, a study of ways to implement a universal health care system statewide. (2004)
Voted against restrictions on public funding of abortion. (2000)
Successfully co-sponsored a prescription drug discount buying club program for seniors and the disabled. (2003)
CRIME & GUN CONTROL
Voted against letting people argue self-defense in court if charged with violating local weapons bans by using a gun in their home. (2004)
Voted to let retired police and military police carry concealed weapons. (2004)
Successfully sponsored requirement that law enforcement videotape interrogations of suspects in some serious crimes. (2003)
Successfully sponsored law enforcement study of the race of people pulled over for traffic tickets. (2003)
Helped pass an overhaul of the state's troubled death penalty system. (2003)
Unsuccessfully sponsored measure to expunge some criminal records and create an employment grant program for ex-criminals. (2002)
Unsuccessfully sponsored limit of one handgun purchase per month. (2000)
Voted against making gang members eligible for the death penalty if they kill someone to help their gang. (2001)
Unsuccessfully co-sponsored ban on discrimination based on sexual orientation. The measure became law after Obama was elected to the U.S. Senate. (2003)
Successfully sponsored move to shield Illinois workers from federal rules that threatened overtime pay for some employees.
Successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform called the Gift Ban Act. (1998)
Voted against giving tax credits to parents who send their children to private school. (1999)
Hmm, what a radical concept. He worked hard to bring positive things to the people he represented and was put in place to represent. From the post, he was considered a person who developed a reputation as someone who would work with critics to build consensus.
Maybe, if he was representing an entire nation, he would act much the same, broadening his perspectives to work for more than just his locals, and working well with critics and people who don't share his ideals. He is intelligent, good communicator, people like him, and he can motivate.
Interesting. Very different outlook than the past few years, no doubt. Could almost call that...dare I say it...change?
Maybe, if he was representing an entire nation, he would act much the same, broadening his perspectives to work for more than just his locals, and working well with critics and people who don't share his ideals. He is intelligent, good communicator, people like him, and he can motivate.
Interesting. Very different outlook than the past few years, no doubt. Could almost call that...dare I say it...change?
Whats the difference you ask. He's smarter, wiser, yonger. Not stuck on old ideas that don't work. Some one said recession depression. Well your close to the last one and in a small recession aready. If folks can't see we need a complete diffrant change then what Old John will do. We cant survive 4 more years of so call conservative leadership. Like R Paul and B Bar said liberials have become the conservatives. Hey he evens plays a good game of buckets.
WOW... what a RADICAL! Why would ANYONE vote for Obama?
1. He reflected the views of the voters in his district.
2. He helped reform the state penal codes.
3. He helped create tax breaks for the poor.
4. He worked with critics to build consensus.
5. He worked to solve the the state budget deficit.
6. He opposed the use of banned handguns.
7. He supported abortion rights, family planning services and health insurance coverage of female contraceptives.
8. He was viewed by members of both parties of the Illinois State Legislature as someone whose view they listened carefully to.
9. He supported common sense gun control measures in Chicago.
10. He refused to become a rubber stamp for his allies lesislation.
11. He always wanted to understand an issue and think it through.
12. He listened to police groups concerns and improved a bill supporting a statewide study of racial profiling in traffic stops.
13. He worked on welfare reform with Republicans.
14. He helped write ethics laws to fight government corruption.
15. He sponsored legislation to bar job and housing discrimination.
16. He helped create earned income tax credits for the poor.
17. He fought federal rules jeopordizing overtime pay.
Good thing DTB exposed him. DTB, are you a plant of the Obama campaign sent here to fight the Whisper Campaign being waged against Obama? If so, keep up the good work.
1. He reflected the views of the voters in his district.
2. He helped reform the state penal codes.
3. He helped create tax breaks for the poor.
4. He worked with critics to build consensus.
5. He worked to solve the the state budget deficit.
6. He opposed the use of banned handguns.
7. He supported abortion rights, family planning services and health insurance coverage of female contraceptives.
8. He was viewed by members of both parties of the Illinois State Legislature as someone whose view they listened carefully to.
9. He supported common sense gun control measures in Chicago.
10. He refused to become a rubber stamp for his allies lesislation.
11. He always wanted to understand an issue and think it through.
12. He listened to police groups concerns and improved a bill supporting a statewide study of racial profiling in traffic stops.
13. He worked on welfare reform with Republicans.
14. He helped write ethics laws to fight government corruption.
15. He sponsored legislation to bar job and housing discrimination.
16. He helped create earned income tax credits for the poor.
17. He fought federal rules jeopordizing overtime pay.
Good thing DTB exposed him. DTB, are you a plant of the Obama campaign sent here to fight the Whisper Campaign being waged against Obama? If so, keep up the good work.
You got the most ridiculous reasons I ever saw,this has to come from his site-- I'll just comment on your top 5.
1. He reflected the views of the voters in his district.
2. He helped reform the state penal codes.
3. He helped create tax breaks for the poor.
4. He worked with critics to build consensus.
5. He worked to solve the the state budget deficit.
1 Your right 100% --you might put up his district was southside of Chicago--Now if rest of U.S want affirmtive action--criminal rights advocate etc --he's your man
2: In 1998, Obama was one of only three senators to vote against a proposal making it a criminal offense for convicts on probation or on bail to have contact with a street gang.
In 2001, Obama voted against a measure that would have expanded the penalties for some gang activity to include the death penalty. The bill was vetoed by then-Gov. George Ryan (R ) not long after he had issued a moratorium on the death penalty in the state.?There?s a strong overlap between gang affiliation and young men of color ? I think it?s problematic for them to be singled out as more likely to receive the death penalty for carrying out certain acts than are others who do the same thing.?
And in 2001, Obama voted ?present? on a bill that would increase penalties for trafficking in Ecstasy and other designer drugs.
Obama was the only senator not to support a bill "to report suspected child abuse while protecting the identity of the facility or person providing the information." The bill passed 54-0-1 -- the one being Obama, who voted "present." It passed the Illinois House 117-0.
- Obama voted present "on a bill in committee requiring criminals to serve consecutive sentences for separate crimes involving convictions for severe bodily harm or sexual assault, but didn't vote at all when the measure came to the floor." The bill passed the Senate 54-0 and the House 118-0.
Would you like more?
3: Could you be specific--wouldn't think the poor paid any state or federal taxes-property or investment?--as far as I know only tax would effect them would gas tax and he voted no on repealing it--
4: What the hell does that mean
5: He "worked"to solve the the state budget deficit?? Give one senator in the U.S. that didn't?
:mj07: Got to be from O's website--Didn't dare put up the what he actually accomplished as Illionois has been rocked with deficits from overspending despite increased taxes--
http://www.illinois.gov/pressreleases/ShowPressRelease.cfm?SubjectID=3&RecNum=2026
A comparison of revenues vs. expenditures for FYs 1999 through 2003, which reveals that Illinois has actually been operating with a deficit during each of these years?even in 1999, when the country was still in the midst of economic prosperity.
A chart that describes how the state?s debt has increased due to continued borrowing through the years 2000 ? 2003, which represents a 41.3% growth in the state?s debt service. The amount of debt owed by the state grew during this time from $690 million to $974 million.
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--any more generalities void of facts you like to throw up--sad thing is --this type of deception is all you/he has-- all hat no cattle :0corn
1. He reflected the views of the voters in his district.
2. He helped reform the state penal codes.
3. He helped create tax breaks for the poor.
4. He worked with critics to build consensus.
5. He worked to solve the the state budget deficit.
1 Your right 100% --you might put up his district was southside of Chicago--Now if rest of U.S want affirmtive action--criminal rights advocate etc --he's your man
2: In 1998, Obama was one of only three senators to vote against a proposal making it a criminal offense for convicts on probation or on bail to have contact with a street gang.
In 2001, Obama voted against a measure that would have expanded the penalties for some gang activity to include the death penalty. The bill was vetoed by then-Gov. George Ryan (R ) not long after he had issued a moratorium on the death penalty in the state.?There?s a strong overlap between gang affiliation and young men of color ? I think it?s problematic for them to be singled out as more likely to receive the death penalty for carrying out certain acts than are others who do the same thing.?
And in 2001, Obama voted ?present? on a bill that would increase penalties for trafficking in Ecstasy and other designer drugs.
Obama was the only senator not to support a bill "to report suspected child abuse while protecting the identity of the facility or person providing the information." The bill passed 54-0-1 -- the one being Obama, who voted "present." It passed the Illinois House 117-0.
- Obama voted present "on a bill in committee requiring criminals to serve consecutive sentences for separate crimes involving convictions for severe bodily harm or sexual assault, but didn't vote at all when the measure came to the floor." The bill passed the Senate 54-0 and the House 118-0.
Would you like more?
3: Could you be specific--wouldn't think the poor paid any state or federal taxes-property or investment?--as far as I know only tax would effect them would gas tax and he voted no on repealing it--
4: What the hell does that mean
5: He "worked"to solve the the state budget deficit?? Give one senator in the U.S. that didn't?
:mj07: Got to be from O's website--Didn't dare put up the what he actually accomplished as Illionois has been rocked with deficits from overspending despite increased taxes--
http://www.illinois.gov/pressreleases/ShowPressRelease.cfm?SubjectID=3&RecNum=2026
A comparison of revenues vs. expenditures for FYs 1999 through 2003, which reveals that Illinois has actually been operating with a deficit during each of these years?even in 1999, when the country was still in the midst of economic prosperity.
A chart that describes how the state?s debt has increased due to continued borrowing through the years 2000 ? 2003, which represents a 41.3% growth in the state?s debt service. The amount of debt owed by the state grew during this time from $690 million to $974 million.
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--any more generalities void of facts you like to throw up--sad thing is --this type of deception is all you/he has-- all hat no cattle :0corn
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Earth to DTB... EACH of the 17 points I listed below came DIRECTLY from Post#27 -- YOUR post!
If you're going to copy/paste, you really should take the time to READ what you're posting.
1. He reflected the views of the voters in his district.
2. He helped reform the state penal codes.
3. He helped create tax breaks for the poor.
4. He worked with critics to build consensus.
5. He worked to solve the the state budget deficit.
6. He opposed the use of banned handguns.
7. He supported abortion rights, family planning services and health insurance coverage of female contraceptives.
8. He was viewed by members of both parties of the Illinois State Legislature as someone whose view they listened carefully to.
9. He supported common sense gun control measures in Chicago.
10. He refused to become a rubber stamp for his allies lesislation.
11. He always wanted to understand an issue and think it through.
12. He listened to police groups concerns and improved a bill supporting a statewide study of racial profiling in traffic stops.
13. He worked on welfare reform with Republicans.
14. He helped write ethics laws to fight government corruption.
15. He sponsored legislation to bar job and housing discrimination.
16. He helped create earned income tax credits for the poor.
17. He fought federal rules jeopordizing overtime pay.
Once again, keep up the good work supporting the Obama campaign! :mj07: :mj07:
Yes... That Neocons shouldn't judge articles by their title. They should actually READ the articles before they attempt to use them to further their anti-Obama whisper campaign. :142smilie
your interpretation of what the rev wright said is wrong.... people like me know that a smart free thinker like Obama can have friends & even a mentor like the rev wright and still be his own man and think for himself.....obama was playing politics or pandering to people closer to but not as far gone as the DTB's of the world.... I think we need people in leadership roles of government that have been exposed to the many types of ideas that obama has..... like it or not, there are Americans that share the few of the rev wright ..............do we want a leader that has never been exposed to the real world ? Do we want a leader that will only surround himself with like minded individuals ? I think we have seen the last 8yrs, what kind of leader that is ........
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