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--and from left leaning Brookline Institute and published in NYT:scared

NBC Skips Brookings's More Upbeat Iraq Judgment That ABC, CBS Find Newsworthy
By Brent Baker | July 30, 2007 - 21:11 ET
NBC Nightly News on Monday ignored a development both ABC and CBS found newsworthy, that after eight days in Iraq, two Brookings Institution scholars who describe themselves has ?harshly? critical of Bush's Iraq policy, determined the situation in Iraq is better than they assumed and so the ?surge? should continue into next year. Instead of reporting the fresh assessment from Michael O'Hanlon and Kenneth Pollack, NBC anchor Brian Williams, citing ?a draft U.S. report,? aired a full story on how ?there are disturbing new details about corruption at the very top of the Iraqi government.? But the NBC Nightly News has hardly been reticent before about running soundbites from O'Hanlon with dire warnings about Iraq.

ABC anchor Charles Gibson declared ?the column was the talk of Washington today.? From Iraq, Terry McCarthy related that ?the report tracks fairly closely with what we're seeing both in our visits to U.S. bases in and around Baghdad involved with the surge, and also our trips out to Baghdad neighborhoods talking to Iraqi population. Clearly, security is improving as the U.S. military footprint expands so the violence goes down, the sectarian killings go down.? Indeed, on CBS, David Martin noted how ?with one day left in the month, American casualties in July are the lowest since the troop surge began in February. And civilian casualties are down a third.? Martin aired soundbites from Pollack and O'Hanlon as he described ?just enough progress so that a critic like Michael O'Hanlon, who used to think the surge was too little too late, now believes it should be continued.?

Both ABC and CBS also highlighted a downbeat report on Iraq, an Oxfam report on the ?humanitarian crisis.?

In the Monday New York Times op-ed, ?A War We Just Might Win,? O'Hanlon and Pollack reported that they found that ?morale is high? amongst ?the soldiers and marines? who ?told us they feel that they now have a superb commander in Gen. David Petraeus; they are confident in his strategy, they see real results.? They duo detailed progress they saw, before concluding ?the surge cannot go on forever. But there is enough good happening on the battlefields of Iraq today that Congress should plan on sustaining the effort at least into 2008.?

An excerpt from their July 30 op-ed:


VIEWED from Iraq, where we just spent eight days meeting with American and Iraqi military and civilian personnel, the political debate in Washington is surreal. The Bush administration has over four years lost essentially all credibility. Yet now the administration?s critics, in part as a result, seem unaware of the significant changes taking place.

Here is the most important thing Americans need to understand: We are finally getting somewhere in Iraq, at least in military terms. As two analysts who have harshly criticized the Bush administration?s miserable handling of Iraq, we were surprised by the gains we saw and the potential to produce not necessarily ?victory? but a sustainable stability that both we and the Iraqis could live with.

After the furnace-like heat, the first thing you notice when you land in Baghdad is the morale of our troops. In previous trips to Iraq we often found American troops angry and frustrated ? many sensed they had the wrong strategy, were using the wrong tactics and were risking their lives in pursuit of an approach that could not work.

Today, morale is high. The soldiers and marines told us they feel that they now have a superb commander in Gen. David Petraeus; they are confident in his strategy, they see real results, and they feel now they have the numbers needed to make a real difference.

Everywhere, Army and Marine units were focused on securing the Iraqi population, working with Iraqi security units, creating new political and economic arrangements at the local level and providing basic services -- electricity, fuel, clean water and sanitation -- to the people. Yet in each place, operations had been appropriately tailored to the specific needs of the community. As a result, civilian fatality rates are down roughly a third since the surge began -- though they remain very high, underscoring how much more still needs to be done....

In Baghdad?s Ghazaliya neighborhood, which has seen some of the worst sectarian combat, we walked a street slowly coming back to life with stores and shoppers. The Sunni residents were unhappy with the nearby police checkpoint, where Shiite officers reportedly abused them, but they seemed genuinely happy with the American soldiers and a mostly Kurdish Iraqi Army company patrolling the street....

Another surprise was how well the coalition?s new Embedded Provincial Reconstruction Teams are working. Wherever we found a fully staffed team, we also found local Iraqi leaders and businessmen cooperating with it to revive the local economy and build new political structures. Although much more needs to be done to create jobs, a new emphasis on microloans and small-scale projects was having some success where the previous aid programs often built white elephants....

As noted above, the NBC Nightly News hasn't hesitated to feature O'Hanlon's previous dire forecasts. On April 28, the newscast featured O'Hanlon's warning: ?We're going to have to see some pretty striking results from the surge pretty soon to continue to justify the strain and the sacrifice it's exacting on our forces.? A week earlier, on April 20, O'Hanlon predicted: ?If al-Sadr's people really fight us hard, we are in very bad trouble. If the car bombings continue like they did on Wednesday, we are not going to prevail.? And back on February 3, NBC brought O'Hanlon on to comment on a government report about the situation in Iraq: ?This report definitely leaves open the distinct possibility of utter chaos, outright civil war and complete mission failure. There is no doubt that Iraq could simply collapse.?

Monday's NBC Nightly News ran a story by David Gregory on British Prime Minister Gordon Brown's meeting with President Bush, which Williams set up by asking ?will the Brits, under Brown, change course? on Iraq? Then, after a plug for his Tuesday interview with Brown, Williams set up the corruption story from Lisa Myers:


?Tonight there are disturbing new details about corruption at the very top of the Iraqi government. A new draft U.S. report, obtained by NBC News, says corruption has hurt delivery of services, threatens vital public support for the government there and there are new indications that Iraq's new rulers have virtual immunity from prosecution. Or senior investigative correspondent, Lisa Myers, has our exclusive story tonight.?

The MRC's Brad Wilmouth transcribed some of the July 30 coverage on ABC and al of it on te CBS Evening News:

ABC's World News:


CHARLES GIBSON: A bit of a surprise today on Iraq. Two long and persistent critics of the Bush administration's handling of the war today wrote a column in the New York Times saying that after a recent eight-day visit to Iraq, they find significant changes taking place. Military analysts Michael O'Hanlon and Kenneth Pollack wrote, "We are finally getting somewhere in Iraq, at least in military terms." They added, "We were surprised by the gains we saw and the potential to produce not necessarily victory but a sustainable stability that both we and the Iraqis could live with.? The column was the talk of Washington today. So we are joined by Terry McCarthy in Baghdad, Martha Raddatz at the White House and Jake Tapper on Capitol Hill for reaction. Let's start with Terry. So, Terry McCarthy, let me start with you. Is what they say they saw in Baghdad a fair reflection of what's going on?

TERRY MCCARTHY: Charlie, the report tracks fairly closely with what we're seeing both in our visits to U.S. bases in and around Baghdad involved with the surge, and also our trips out to Baghdad neighborhoods talking to Iraqi population. Clearly, security is improving as the U.S. military footprint expands so the violence goes down, the sectarian killings go down. Now, what we're not seeing is political progress. The Iraqi parliament hasn't passed a single bill that the U.S. has been pushing for. And, in fact, today they went off on vacation. They're not due back until September 4.

CBS Evening News:


DAVID MARTIN: With one day left in the month, American casualties in July are the lowest since the troop surge began in February. And civilian casualties are down a third. U.S. officials attribute that to the dismantling of networks which make roadside bombs, and to American soldiers protecting the local population. It would only take a few spectacular attacks to reverse those trends, but even critics of the war strategy are encouraged.

KEN POLLACK, Saban Center at Brookings Institution: The moment that we got to Baghdad, everything felt very different from previous trips to Iraq.

MARTIN: Former CIA analyst Ken Pollack, who earlier this year published an article about Iraq titled "Things Fall Apart," now sees a sudden change in American fortunes.

POLLACK: This is the first time I have gone to Iraq and actually felt that the United States knew what it was doing and was actually creating some degree of progress.

MARTIN: Retired Marine General Jim Jones, who is conducting a congressionally ordered study of the Iraqi security forces, also came back from Iraq saying privately it was better than he expected. By any measure, Iraq is still a deadly mess, and no one is claiming to see light at the end of the tunnel.

POLLACK: We have not won this war, and we didn't see something that looked like victory over in Iraq. All we saw was progress.

MARTIN: Just enough progress so that a critic like Michael O'Hanlon, who used to think the surge was too little too late, now believes it should be continued.

MICHAEL O'HANLON, Brookings Institution: For me, gut instinct, just piecing all the information together subjectively, I thought we should give it a few more months into 2008.

MARTIN: Which is exactly what the American commander, General David Petraeus, wants: Continue the surge into next spring, then start a gradual withdrawal back to the pre-surge troop level of 130,000 by the end of 2008. David Martin, CBS News, the Pentagon.

?Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center
 

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yeah, nobody can tell the news quite like the fox opinion network.....major liberal conspiracy. Thought you might like the piece below Wayne.



Fox News wins in court
by Zwoof
Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 06:14:17 AM PDT
(From the diaries. It's nice to see Fox so clearly admit to their modus operandi -- kos)

In February 2003, a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously agreed with an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against distorting or falsifying the news in the United States.

Lawyers paid by Bill O'Reilly's bosses argued in court that Fox can lie with impunity.

It's their right under the 1st Ammendment

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Florida Court: Broadcasters Have Right to Lie
?By Staff, Organic Consumers Association


March 10, 2003 Issue



A Florida appeals court has overturned a jury verdict against FOX Television for attempting to force two reporters to falsify and distort a 1996 report on the effects of bovine growth hormone (BGH). According to a statement from the Organic Consumers Association, the husband-wife investigative team of Jane Akre and Steve Wilson had spent nearly a year battling with station officials at WTVT in Tampa, Florida, over the content of their BGH report. The award-winning reporters were eventually fired ?without cause? when they refused to make certain changes that would have clearly distorted the report. They filed suit in 1998 under the Federal Communications Act and the Florida whistle-blower protection law. While Wilson lost his case, a jury awarded Akre $425,000 in 2001 for wrongful termination. The appeals court overturned that verdict on a legal technicality, accepting FOX?s argument (which had previously been rejected six times by three different judges) that the FCC?s news distortion policy was not a ?law, rule, or regulation,? and that Akre therefore did not have a proper claim to whistle-blower protection. Akre and Wilson won the 2002 Goldman Environmental Prize for their efforts to bring their story to light. While the court did not dispute the facts of the case, FOX claims it was ?totally vindicated? by the verdict.
-Leif Utne
 
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I see-- your a KOS fan--not surprising.
They are not real happy with Fox after Oreilly gave their "anticipated" sponsor Jet Blue the heads up and Jet Blue dropped them like the plauge :)

Now they are trying to get their clan to boycott Foxs sponsors--quite amusing a liberal org who can't even keep enough listeners to keep air america or any other liberal talk show from bankruptcy--trying to go after the most viewed--we'll see who wins that battle;)

back to topic --Iraq and progress

Wonder what Reid-Pelosi-Murtha pres candidates and the rest of the liberal clan --who been staing for a year--we've lost-retreat- are looking like a deer in headlights--Saw Reid comment on report and he tried to reassure his party we that we have in fact lost despite report--

Such great leadership qualities--

Forunate for Iraqs soccer team or anyone else that believe in themselves that don't have to contend with the "i'm a loser"
leadership some entities have to.

but as they say--birds of a feather;)

--will have to admit I was a little dumbfound by NYT putting report in print--and just when I was recuperatiing from that I now see AP with big headlines--
AP
Consumer Confidence Hits 6-Year High
Tuesday July 31, 11:39 am ET
By Anne D'Innocenzio, AP Business Writer
Consumer Confidence Rebounds in July to 6-Year High Amid Healthy Employment Outlook
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070731/consumer_confidence.html?.v=6

--what is going on?????????????

---are they afraid Fox will tie them in with the Daily KOS:142smilie
 
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I see-- your a KOS fan--not surprising.
They are not real happy with Fox after Oreilly gave their "anticipated" sponsor Jet Blue the heads up and Jet Blue dropped them like the plauge :)

Now they are trying to get their clan to boycott Foxs sponsors--quite amusing a liberal org who can't even keep enough listeners to keep air america or any other liberal talk show from bankruptcy--trying to go after the most viewed--we'll see who wins that battle;)

back to topic --Iraq and progress

Wonder what Reid-Pelosi-Murtha pres candidates and the rest of the liberal clan --who been staing for a year--we've lost-retreat- are looking like a deer in headlights--Saw Reid comment on report and he tried to reassure his party we that we have in fact lost despite report--

Such great leadership qualities--

Forunate for Iraqs soccer team or anyone else that believe in themselves that don't have to contend with the "i'm a loser"
leadership some entities have to.

but as they say--birds of a feather;)

--will have to admit I was a little dumbfound by NYT putting report in print--and just when I was recuperatiing from that I now see AP with big headlines--
AP
Consumer Confidence Hits 6-Year High
Tuesday July 31, 11:39 am ET
By Anne D'Innocenzio, AP Business Writer
Consumer Confidence Rebounds in July to 6-Year High Amid Healthy Employment Outlook
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070731/consumer_confidence.html?.v=6

--what is going on?????????????

---are they afraid Fox will tie them in with the Daily KOS:142smilie

you mean this soccer team?

Iraqi Soccer Team Wins Asian Cup - Team Captain Wants U.S. Out Of Iraq
By: Logan Murphy on Monday, July 30th, 2007 at 10:41 AM - PDT AP Via Yahoo: (h/t Firedoglake)

Iraq won the Asian for the first time Sunday, a beacon of hope for a nation divided by war.

Iraq?s 1-0 victory over Saudi Arabia on a 71st-minute header by captain Younis Mahmoud was an inspirational triumph for a team whose players straddle bitter and violent ethnic divides. After the game, Mahmoud called for the United States to withdraw its troops from his nation.

?I want America to go out,? he said. ?Today, tomorrow, or the day after tomorrow, but out. I wish the American people didn?t invade Iraq and, hopefully, it will be over soon.?

Mahmoud also said he will not return to Iraq to celebrate.

?I don?t want the Iraqi people to be angry with me,? he said. ?If I go back with the team, anybody could kill me or try to hurt me.? Read more?

As expected, this part of the story isn?t getting much coverage from the media. For the Iraqi citizens who were lucky enough to have electricity to watch or listen to the game, these men are national heroes. Is there any doubt Mahmoud speaks for the majority of Iraqis? Shall we take bets on how long it will take for the right to attack this man?


What was that right wing talking point? Oh yeah...hearts and minds. You're clearly winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people, Dogs....LOL
 
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So, I guess you are saying the NY Times, ABC and CBS are doing a good job reporting the true story of what's going on in Iraq, right? Important to use that scenario to criticize one of the big four dark-siders. Talk about reaching...

Another shining example of solid journalistic professionals. Way to go ABC, CBS and NT Times.
 

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--and from left leaning Brookline Institute and published in NYT
Apparently the man nominated to be Bush's next Chairman of the Joint Chiefs sees things a bit differently than the reporter does.


Admiral Mullen cites limited progress in Iraq
By KIMBERLY HEFLING
Associated Press

WASHINGTON - President Bush's choice to head the military Joint Chiefs of Staff said Tuesday an increase of troops in Iraq is giving commanders the forces needed to improve security there.

Security is better, not great, but better," said Navy Adm. Michael Mullen, speaking before the Senate Armed Services committee at his nomination hearing.

However, Mullen acknowledged under questioning that, "there does not appear to be much political progress" in Iraq.

"I believe security is critical to providing the government of Iraq the breathing space it needs to work toward political national reconciliation and economic growth, which are themselves critical to a stable Iraq," Mullen said. "Barring that, no amount of troops and no amount of time will make much of a difference."

He said morale is still high, but he doesn't take for granted the service of U.S. troops. He said the war has spread forces thin.

"I worry about the toll this pace of operations is taking on them, our equipment and on our ability to respond to other crises and contingencies," he said.

In written answers to prepared questions, Mullen earlier said he and other Joint Chiefs met with the president and Defense Secretary Robert Gates to discuss the plan last January to pour as many as 30,000 more U.S. forces into Iraq.

"We had rigorous and thorough discussions and debates" of the troop buildup plan, he said in the written response. "The president then made his decision, and I am in support of that decision and working to make it succeed."

Ambassador Ryan Crocker and Gen. David Petraeus, the U.S. commander in Iraq, are to report to Congress in September on conditions related to the war strategy. Already, however, lawmakers from both parties have expressed impatience with progress in Iraq. Earlier this week, the chief lawmaking body in Iraq went into recess until September.

If the United States fails in Iraq, Iran would be a winner, Mullen said. He said there's a strong indication that Iran is supporting the Taliban in Afghanistan, and indications Iran has fed technology into Iraq and Afghanistan that has led to the deaths of U.S. troops.

He said a combination of factors "makes me concerned about Iran and where they're headed."

Mullen acknowledged that slow progress in Iraq is hurting U.S. credibility and encouraging Iran's regional ambitions.

He said it's important to see results more than four years into the war. Some 160,000 U.S. troops are in Iraq, and more than 3,640 Americans have been killed.

"A protracted deployment of U.S. troops to Iraq, with no change in the security situation, risks further emboldening Iranian hegemonic ambitions and encourages their continued support to Shia insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanistan," Mullen wrote.

Mullen, the chief of naval operations, was chosen to replace Marine Corps Gen. Peter Pace as the nation's top military officer. Gates decided not to reappoint Pace for a second two-year term to avoid an acrimonious confirmation hearing over how the Bush administration has handled the war in Iraq.

Pace, who was vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs before being appointed chairman, was involved in all the key decisions leading to the March 2003 invasion of Iraq and the planning for the post-Saddam Hussein era. His term ends Oct. 1.

The Senate Armed Services Committee is expected to vote on his nomination before Congress adjourns Friday for its August recess.

Mullen's answers reflect the separation Gates wants to achieve. In one of the pre-hearing questions, Mullen is asked by the committee what he considers to be "the most significant mistakes the United States has made to date in Iraq."

He lists seven mistakes, including the May 2003 decision to disband the Iraqi army, which he says was a "potentially valuable asset for security, reconstruction, and provision of services to the Iraqi people."

Turning the troops loose, Mullen says, provided "a recruiting pool for extremist groups."
 

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Admiral Mullen also seems to think that we will be in Iraq for many years.


U.S. officials say Iraq role to last years, cost more
By Susan Cornwell and Richard Cowan

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush's nominee to be top military adviser said on Tuesday the United States will be in Iraq for "years not months" and a Pentagon official said the war was costing even more than expected.

Navy Adm. Michael Mullen, picked as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned U.S. lawmakers unhappy with the conflict against seeking a rapid pullout from Iraq, saying it could turn the country into a "caldron."

While prudence dictated planning for an eventual pullout, Mullen said that under one scenario it could take three to four years just to halve the 160,000 U.S. troops now in Iraq. Many Democrats want to pull out combat troops by April.

"I do think we will be there for years, not months," Mullen told the Senate Armed Services Committee at his confirmation hearing. "But I don't see it (Iraq) as a permanent -- you know, on a permanent base at this point."

Mullen, 60, now chief of naval operations, was nominated last month after the Bush administration decided against seeking a second two-year term in the job for Marine Gen. Peter Pace. Defense Secretary Robert Gates concluded Pace's role in the unpopular Iraq war would have led to contentious hearings to reconfirm him. Mullen appeared headed for approval.

In testimony to the House Budget Committee, Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England said next year's war tab will exceed the administration's existing request for $141.7 billion. That's on top of over $600 billion in war checks already written for Iraq and Afghanistan, with 70 percent for Iraq.

Besides needing more money to build and deliver mine-resistant vehicles to repel insurgent attacks, England said Bush's request did not include next year's costs for the extra 30,000 U.S. troops sent into combat this year.

House Budget Committee Chairman John Spratt, the South Carolina Democrat who must juggle war funding, pay for skyrocketing health and retirement benefits for the elderly and also make the budget deficit vanish, complained, "We're actually spending more and more each year" on the war.

Spratt called it an "ominous indication the costs are continuing to increase."

House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee Chairman John Murtha said he thought next year's war tab would rise by tens of billions: "I think they (the administration) will need $30 billion to $40 billion more" than the $141.7 billion request, he told reporters outside the House chamber.

Murtha said the extra cost was likely even though he also thought the Pentagon might announce a drawdown of 30,000 troops in the autumn. "They say things are going better in Iraq; if things are going better, they can get them out."

The Pennsylvania Democrat had planned to offer an amendment this week to start withdrawals in 60 days. But he said he would wait until fall, when he hoped for more Republican support.

In the Senate, Mullen said Bush's troop buildup brought more stability to Iraq but there was not much political progress.

"Based on the ... lack of political reconciliation at the government level, obviously ... I would be concerned about whether we'd be winning or not," he said.

Ultimately "no amount of troops" could solve Iraqi political problems, Mullen acknowledged, but he said strategic decisions should wait until U.S. Iraq Ambassador Ryan Crocker and Iraq commander Gen. David Petraeus report in September.

Mullen expressed concern about the "increasingly hostile" role played by Iran. He said Tehran supported the Taliban in Afghanistan and was trying to drive the United States out of Iraq but he hoped the issue could be solved diplomatically.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office provided an analysis for long-term war costs. It estimated that if troops in Iraq and Afghanistan were reduced to 75,000 over the next five years and stayed at that level through 2017, it would cost the U.S. Treasury $845 billion over the 10-year period.

"We don't have that sort of assumption," England said of the 75,000 troop estimate. He did not give any estimate of how large a U.S. force would be over the next 10 years.
 

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Chad I doubt they went out of their--someone was going to print the report especially in light of it coming from left leaning think tank.

--but I was surprised

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per Auspice comment

yeah, nobody can tell the news quite like the fox opinion network.....major liberal conspiracy.

would someone inform him it wasn't Fox however there is clue in headline on who did write it.;)
 

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Chad:

Once again, proof that the corporate media, NY Times, ABC, CBS etc continue to do the administration's bidding and cherry pick stories favoriable to the white house and there respective stockholders. The media in the US is unlike any other in the world. The reeason Bush was elected for a second term was the corporate conservative-owned media failure to investigate the white house story line.

These guys have stopped being journalists and have become part of the corporate team.

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Fox is entertainment. Well maybe one news show Smith's. So we found two experts who in 8 days in Iraq have answers. Sad when in a few years we find they were paid for this report. And it will not be ABC or CBS.
 

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I saw much of his speech Gregg--somehow they only seemed to put up the quotes they wanted--I'll see if I can find entire transcript this evening--

by they-- I mean AP and Reuters (your sources above)

Appreciate your doing putting up their views--now if we can get entire transcript and see if we have instant replay of initial thread--should be interesting ;)

and to begin with-- initial search of 1st page on your Cowan/Cornwell team might lead one to believe there might be a tad of bias-would you agree :)

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If you want the real scoop on this story watch Michael Weir on CNN who actually lives there. He agrees with portions but then he explains those portions. This guy lives outside the green zone and has been there for years. The most disturbing part of the story is the deals we are cutting with the enemy. I'll agree to anything to get the hell out of there but we are now siding with an anti gov't group who we wouldn't deal with for 4 years. After hearing this who knows how long the puppet gov't we set up in Iraq will last. What a tremendous neocon mess. I couldn't imagine how bad this would sound on nitwit neocon radio if Clinton was in charge.
 

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WHATS THIS -- and from left leaning Brookline Institute and published in NYT :scared
I found the following commentary posted at another site and thought that it would be appropriate to copy it hear for the benefit of this discussion.
I think it's important to note that O'Hanlon and Pollack have been strong proponants of the invasion of Iraq from the get go. Pollack even wrote a pre-invasion book called "The Threatening Storm: the Case for Invading Iraq". Both were, and remain, strongly in favor of the surge strategy, in fact they promoted the idea enthusiastically through their "liberal" think tank The Brookings Institute with neo-con architects like Fred Kagan. So, in their op-ed, they're essentially telling us that a strategy that they strongly favored, and are strongly invested in, is working. Not really surprising. The surge may or may not be working, I'm just pointing out that O'Hanlon and Pollack are not exactly "anti-war" activists who've suddenly had a road to Damascus conversion.

Instead, the media presents them as harsh critics of Bush's Iraq policies. No doubt, they have been critical of many aspects of Bush's post-invasion strategy, but who hasn't been? Even card-carrying neo-cons have been harshly critical of the numerous blunders and missteps along the way. But always underpinning these guys is the fundamental conviction that the invasion was the right thing to do, and that America must have a large military presence in that region indefinately.

And bear in mind that the NY Times played an enormously important role in presenting the rationale for invading Iraq. NYT reporter Judy Miller, in particular, was fed propaganda by the likes of Ahmed Chalabi and churned it out as facts to support the invasion policy.

O'Hanlon and Pollack are routinely used in serious news pieces as the "liberal" voice on national security and foreign policy matters, despite the fact that they are much more closely aligned with the neo-conservative worldview which argues for the projection of American power abroad. Did the so-called "liberal" mainstream media ever point out these descrepancies?
 

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Transcript evidently not out yet even checked cspan--but it will be out in day or 2

--when out it will shed some light on his thoughts progress of upsurge--military moral--what happens if we leave without winning--things I would think to important from news sources like AP reuters ect

I will be back when transcript surfaces--maybe someone can check cspan for video.

on your note from other site--would you share with us which site--

---and on the
"And bear in mind that the NY Times played an enormously important role in presenting the rationale for invading Iraq. NYT reporter Judy Miller, in particular, was fed propaganda by the likes of Ahmed Chalabi and churned it out as facts to support the invasion policy."

did the site tell you about all numerous retractions NYT has had because of unknown sources-fake sources-fake photos ect to the contrary--I'd be happen to fetch them-again

P.S. Talk left--Think Progress and the other blogs are beating same drum on issue ;)

Google search on

Web Results 11 - 20 of about 96,300 for O'Hanlon and Pollack iraq. (0.07 seconds)

democracyarsenal.org: The Trouble with O'Hanlon and PollackO'Hanlon and Pollack claim that from a military perspective the surge is working. Having not been to Iraq I will not try to quibble with their assertions ...
www.democracyarsenal.org/2007/07/the-trouble-wit.html - 30k - Jul 31, 2007 - Cached - Similar pages

The Credibility (Or Lack Thereof) of O'Hanlon and Pollack ...The Credibility (Or Lack Thereof) of O'Hanlon and Pollack. By Big Tent Democrat, Section War In Iraq Posted on Mon Jul 30, 2007 at 01:42:38 PM EST ...
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Michael Leon: MAL Contends . . .: Brookings? O?Hanlon and Pollack ...Oh right, children starving, Iraqi civilians being killed, and Iraqis' wishes do not figure in O?Hanlon and Pollack's military terms. ...
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Bloggers analyze the O'Hanlon-Pollack op-ed. - By Christopher Beam ...Bloggers analyze Michael O'Hanlon and Kenneth Pollack's progress report on the Iraq war and discuss the FBI's raid on Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens' home. ...
www.slate.com/id/2171470/ - 36k - Jul 31, 2007 - Cached - Similar pages

Think Progress ? Murtha On O?Hanlon/Pollack Propaganda: ?I Dismiss ...If O?Hanlon and Pollack think things are so peachy, why didn?t they stay, ... Bush Regime wants the OIL of Iraq, but their whole scheme is collapsing upon ...
thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/ - 33k - Jul 31, 2007 - Cached - Similar pages

Media Views PermalinkO?Hanlon's and Pollack's claims about the "good happening on the battlefields of Iraq today" might be more believable were they not lobbying for extending a ...
www.fair.org/index.php?page=22&media_view_id=9133 - 13k - Jul 30, 2007 - Cached - Similar pages

Lawyers, Guns and Money: The O'Hanlon PrimaryThe same can be said for O'Hanlon and Pollack's claim that "everywhere, Army and Marine units were focused on securing the Iraqi population, working with ...
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California Conservative ? O?Hanlon, Pollack Giving Reid, Pelosi ...The Democrats? worst nightmare is having the NY Times saying that Iraq can be won. ... The thing that stands out here is that Mssrs. O?Hanlon and Pollack ...
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Letters: The really smart, serious, credible Iraq experts O'Hanlon ...The really smart, serious, credible Iraq experts O'Hanlon and Pollack. Like most liberal "war hawks," the Brookings "scholars" falsely pretend that they ...
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memeorandum: The really smart, serious, credible Iraq experts O ...The really smart, serious, credible Iraq experts O'Hanlon and Pollack ? (updated below) ? What is the most vivid and compelling evidence of how broken our ...
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by the way I thought the one by --
californiaconservative (above) was rather amusing :)

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update this morning
Appears others noticed --rampant attack by liberal blogs
-- from the grapevine

When Blogs Attack

Liberal blogs have reacted with special outrage to Monday's New York Times op-ed piece by liberal war critics Michael O'Hanlon and Kenneth Pollack of the Brookings Institution that said the Iraq war surge is working.

Glenn Greenwald writes on salon.com ? "For sheer deceit and propaganda, it is difficult to remember something quite this audacious and transparently false."

Logan Murphy writes on crooksandliars.com that the op-ed "uses cherry picked data to give the false impression that there is real progress being made militarily."

And from Duncan Black at the Eschaton blog ? "What's amazing how simple it is, how willing our media - universally - are willing to catapult George Bush's propaganda. I do not believe they are all that stupid, so they are willing accomplices in this disgusting game which perpetuates misery, death, and destruction. If our grand poobahs in the mainstream media want to know why us dirty (expletive) hippie bloggers hate them, this is why."
 
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