At the risk of getting jumped on, I'll add my .02 here. I watched the replay (thanks to bogdog for the link) and it seems like a good call to me. The rules say no helmet to helmet, and so the refs made a good call IMHO. You can debate whether the rule is bogus or not, but I don't see anyway you can argue it was a bad call.
When did the NFL become flag football???
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hf, first off glad to see you around, as I remember it you were pretty sick in the spring. Glad your feeling better and your health is well, good health is everything, sometimes people take for granted.
Secondly, got to disagree with you on that penalty brother. When the ball is high, leaving the receiver Hung in the Air, unable to protect himself, its illegal for a defender to launch himself and with his helmet or shoulder direct a hit at the vulnerable receiver s head. That's the rules. And their is a reason for it, Darryl Stingley is a good friend of mine, he has been unable to move since 1977 because of that exact hit. And there are many other football players like Chuckie Mullins who ultimately died from such a injury, there are many others.
Let me say unequivocally the NFL has got a little over zealous protecting players. I see defensemen lineman that unintentionally slap the QB on the helmet and are given 15 yard penalties, also defensive players arriving seconds late and simply pushing the QB down also penalized. These hits in no way equate to that hit on Caldwell. The NFL needs to undoubtedly clarify these circumstances. There are RULES, AND RIGHTLY SO, for kickers, QB s and receivers that are in vulnerable positions, unable to defend themselves. Whether it be throwing kicking or in the Air receiving a ball, and unable to protect their body from serious injury, this only makes sense. However it has become more difficult, as kickers and QB s now throw themselves on the ground looking for penalties, which in essence only complicates their own safety.
65 was absolutely correct when he blamed Brady for this collision, and Brady admitted it himself on radio in Boston this morning. He stated himself he should have thrown the ball closer to the sideline on Caldwell outside shoulder, this would have minimize the possibility of such a tremendous hit. Instead what Brady threw was a hospital pass. Majority of the time QB s look off receivers in this position, or throw to the outside as stated above.
I see all kinds of name calling and such above, people sometimes forget football is a game, a great game, but entertainment. Nobody should get paralyzed for life or killed for entertainment in a game. I played football many years, complete knee reconstruction on one knee, cartilage surgery on the other. Broken ankle with steel plate and 9 screws still in my right ankle, and a dislocated left shoulder I still can t sleep on. These all come with the territory of playing football, I have no bitterness or regrets. But getting crippled or killed is another issue. Players deserve to be protected in instances where the action leaves them unable to. The NFL owes them that. That's why those rules exist. Frankly I love football, but I don't care to see someone like Dennis Byrd or Darryl Stingley get crippled for life on Sunday afternoon, that won't make my day any better.
Secondly, got to disagree with you on that penalty brother. When the ball is high, leaving the receiver Hung in the Air, unable to protect himself, its illegal for a defender to launch himself and with his helmet or shoulder direct a hit at the vulnerable receiver s head. That's the rules. And their is a reason for it, Darryl Stingley is a good friend of mine, he has been unable to move since 1977 because of that exact hit. And there are many other football players like Chuckie Mullins who ultimately died from such a injury, there are many others.
Let me say unequivocally the NFL has got a little over zealous protecting players. I see defensemen lineman that unintentionally slap the QB on the helmet and are given 15 yard penalties, also defensive players arriving seconds late and simply pushing the QB down also penalized. These hits in no way equate to that hit on Caldwell. The NFL needs to undoubtedly clarify these circumstances. There are RULES, AND RIGHTLY SO, for kickers, QB s and receivers that are in vulnerable positions, unable to defend themselves. Whether it be throwing kicking or in the Air receiving a ball, and unable to protect their body from serious injury, this only makes sense. However it has become more difficult, as kickers and QB s now throw themselves on the ground looking for penalties, which in essence only complicates their own safety.
65 was absolutely correct when he blamed Brady for this collision, and Brady admitted it himself on radio in Boston this morning. He stated himself he should have thrown the ball closer to the sideline on Caldwell outside shoulder, this would have minimize the possibility of such a tremendous hit. Instead what Brady threw was a hospital pass. Majority of the time QB s look off receivers in this position, or throw to the outside as stated above.
I see all kinds of name calling and such above, people sometimes forget football is a game, a great game, but entertainment. Nobody should get paralyzed for life or killed for entertainment in a game. I played football many years, complete knee reconstruction on one knee, cartilage surgery on the other. Broken ankle with steel plate and 9 screws still in my right ankle, and a dislocated left shoulder I still can t sleep on. These all come with the territory of playing football, I have no bitterness or regrets. But getting crippled or killed is another issue. Players deserve to be protected in instances where the action leaves them unable to. The NFL owes them that. That's why those rules exist. Frankly I love football, but I don't care to see someone like Dennis Byrd or Darryl Stingley get crippled for life on Sunday afternoon, that won't make my day any better.
Thanks Shamrock....
I just hate to see football get too regulated...
Maybe its me but I loved it when Torri Robertson squared off against John Kordic....
Probert v Domi....
Semenko v anyone who breathed on Gretz...
Physicality was part of the sport of Hockey
I cant even watch these clutch and grab, stick using euros in hockey anymore..
That said I love football more I dont want it to become MISL soccer....
Thanks for the kind words....
See you at a Big Red game?????
Beers on me after...
I just hate to see football get too regulated...
Maybe its me but I loved it when Torri Robertson squared off against John Kordic....
Probert v Domi....
Semenko v anyone who breathed on Gretz...
Physicality was part of the sport of Hockey
I cant even watch these clutch and grab, stick using euros in hockey anymore..
That said I love football more I dont want it to become MISL soccer....
Thanks for the kind words....
See you at a Big Red game?????
Beers on me after...
perfect example was that roughing passer call on Philly, Walker threw himself down as hard as Brett. Certainly nobody was going to get seriously injured on that play, yet it carries same penalty as the play on Caldwell. Anyone who doesn't see a difference I can't argue with.
Anyway, I couldn't post Darryl Stingleys name and not post this story that was written about him years ago. Take a minute & check it out. He is a special person .
http://www.thirdside.org/stories_26.cfm
Anyway, I couldn't post Darryl Stingleys name and not post this story that was written about him years ago. Take a minute & check it out. He is a special person .
http://www.thirdside.org/stories_26.cfm
Everyone' got an opinion-which is good, but the change of big MO that the refs can interject into a game by making a call at a certain time is I believe underestimated and understated! Sure the penalties can look evenly distributed by the end of a game, but the timing is everything...
hf,I answered your post in general last week, not sure if you ever saw it, copied2 your NCAA football thread, not sure you saw that either lol
I went for 1 Quarter against Sharon, 28-0 went back home.
I understand your point, I'm not much of a hockey guy anymore, but I used to love O'Reilly, Jay Miller etc., but even in hockey there are rules, nobody is going to let someone get killed in a fight, referee s or players jump in. There are even rules in Boxing, even ultimate fighting has rules protecting a participant that is unable to defend himself. Same thing with head hunting in baseball, someone could get killed.
People speak of the old days in NFL, athletes are way stronger faster & bigger now. I don't think you have to worry about having it turn to soccer, the violence if anything is more now.
Anyway glad your feeling better. Definitely have to get together. My parents are right across from the fire station on Kelly Boulevard. I'm right down next to the new bank on same St.
bogdog-what does a contact sport have to do with that particular play?
Try this, go to your back yard about 30 yards or so and run full speed towards your house, recognize your going less than half the speed as a NFL receiver, then without slowing or putting your arms out (then you would be a pussy) run full speed into your home, when you get up (if you Can't your a pussy) do it a few more times for good luck.
I went for 1 Quarter against Sharon, 28-0 went back home.
I understand your point, I'm not much of a hockey guy anymore, but I used to love O'Reilly, Jay Miller etc., but even in hockey there are rules, nobody is going to let someone get killed in a fight, referee s or players jump in. There are even rules in Boxing, even ultimate fighting has rules protecting a participant that is unable to defend himself. Same thing with head hunting in baseball, someone could get killed.
People speak of the old days in NFL, athletes are way stronger faster & bigger now. I don't think you have to worry about having it turn to soccer, the violence if anything is more now.
Anyway glad your feeling better. Definitely have to get together. My parents are right across from the fire station on Kelly Boulevard. I'm right down next to the new bank on same St.
bogdog-what does a contact sport have to do with that particular play?
Try this, go to your back yard about 30 yards or so and run full speed towards your house, recognize your going less than half the speed as a NFL receiver, then without slowing or putting your arms out (then you would be a pussy) run full speed into your home, when you get up (if you Can't your a pussy) do it a few more times for good luck.
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Look it up yourself
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_sport
Sounds like you have tried your own experiment a few too many times, make sure your mom puts your red helmet on before you go back outside.
