When does the trickle down start?
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Maybe you should read something beside NY Times??
Unemployment lower than when Clinton left office despite meltdown at 911
Interests rates and inflation at all time lows
Homeownership at all time highs
Considering> 911--the wars--corporate prosecution's of corruption that been rampant for years I'd say its a torrential downpour--not "trickle down" effect.
Now I am assuming you bring this up after day market drops to 05 low as does the NYTs but if both of you wish to go that route why not compare it to low point of Clintions(you know the boom years) just prior to handing things over to Bush.
18-Oct-00 9,975.02
Unemployment lower than when Clinton left office despite meltdown at 911
Interests rates and inflation at all time lows
Homeownership at all time highs
Considering> 911--the wars--corporate prosecution's of corruption that been rampant for years I'd say its a torrential downpour--not "trickle down" effect.
Now I am assuming you bring this up after day market drops to 05 low as does the NYTs but if both of you wish to go that route why not compare it to low point of Clintions(you know the boom years) just prior to handing things over to Bush.
18-Oct-00 9,975.02
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Stevie:
To answer your question directly - yes we do need to cut taxes.
For everyone who is working.
That clear??
Hope I could help.
To answer your question directly - yes we do need to cut taxes.
For everyone who is working.
That clear??
Hope I could help.
DOGS THAT BARK said:
21-Apr-05 10,010
So up one third of one percent in four and a half years?
Not quite sure what your point is here.
The poor wouldn't need trickle down if they would get off their lazy azses and work instead of having their hand out.
yes, and that describes all those struggling to make ends meet.saint said:
minimum wage is such a joke, if you work fulltime at that wage you need income credit in the form of tax credits just to have a liveable wage. and who pays for that - yet again - it's all of us.
why can't we just have an enforced reasonable mimum wage that allows people money to live on and doesn't require the rest of us to compensate for companies not willing to pay fair labor wages?
Are any of us "struggling"? Really?
I spend the same amount, on the same frills, that I have my whole life. I have not felt any economic strife over the course of my adult years.
Who cares who is "in office"? This game will never end.
I spend the same amount, on the same frills, that I have my whole life. I have not felt any economic strife over the course of my adult years.
Who cares who is "in office"? This game will never end.
Here's some more data for you, Wayne. I'm sure you're already aware of the numbers, but just as a reminder:
Nov-1992 - 3226
Apr-1997 - 6583 (up 104% in the same time frame that it has risen 1/3 of 1% under Bush)
Oct- 2000 - 9975, as you mentioned (up another 52% for good measure)
Now, I think we all can agree that the sitting president doesn't have a whole lot to do with the DOW, but my God. It's simply amazing how you can take shots at Clinton for his performance and somehow try to convince anybody that it's surprising how 'well' it has performed under Bush. Simply incredible.
Nov-1992 - 3226
Apr-1997 - 6583 (up 104% in the same time frame that it has risen 1/3 of 1% under Bush)
Oct- 2000 - 9975, as you mentioned (up another 52% for good measure)
Now, I think we all can agree that the sitting president doesn't have a whole lot to do with the DOW, but my God. It's simply amazing how you can take shots at Clinton for his performance and somehow try to convince anybody that it's surprising how 'well' it has performed under Bush. Simply incredible.
smurphy said:yes, and that describes all those struggling to make ends meet.
minimum wage is such a joke, if you work fulltime at that wage you need income credit in the form of tax credits just to have a liveable wage. and who pays for that - yet again - it's all of us.
why can't we just have an enforced reasonable mimum wage that allows people money to live on and doesn't require the rest of us to compensate for companies not willing to pay fair labor wages?
if someone doesnt pay you well, work somewhere else
why does the government have to spoon feed everyone?
why do you liberals want the government telling you how to run your business?
kosar do you scoff at what George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and other statesment said about arms?
Admit it the plan didn't work. You guys are cutting veteran's benefits while the deficit is out of control. On top of that inflation is kicking in. The rich didn't create any new jobs after getting their tax cut. Read my lips. IT DIDN"T WORK. After two wars I would hope that the economy would be much better than this. But you can't even properly fund the war. Great time to cut taxes. Maybe they don't tell you this on Fox but wars are usually good for the economy. They create jobs. Without it where would this one be?
dr. freeze said:
exactly! when it comes to minimum wage, the government ends up spoon-feeding to supplement the shortfall minimum wage leaves in terms of a liveable wage.
i don't want the government to have to give anybody much of anything really.
Raise the wage, eliminate EIC, and as a very non-liberal proposal I would seriously cut back on unemploymeny benefits. make the wage decent enough so that people have no excuse not to replace their job when they lose it. Maybe just a month or 2 to replace it.
My plan would seriously cut down what the government gives out.
this is a tough option when illegals are lowering the standard of what people should be paid. not everyone is as brilliant, resourceful, and lucky as the people on this board. Some people simply don't have an incredible amount of options. I don't want to pay to support them any more than you. That's exactly why I want their wages higher instead of the tax system supplementing them.dr. freeze said:
smurphy said:
exactly? under your plan the government IS spoon feeding everyone
they should get the heck out of the economy and get out of business
let the worker COMPETE for his wage
quit telling the businessman how to run his business
get the socialism out of the country and any liberals can go with it
smurphy said:
get the illegal out of the country too!!!
dont bandage one problem with more government when the government can't handle the main problem!!!
June 8, 1783, Washington reported to the States, in surrendering the solemn trust of his command:
"The Militia of this Country must be considered as the Palladium of our security, and the first effectual resort in case of hostility..."
Do you scoff at this guy Kosar? Do you think he knew anything about defense of his country? Is he a nut in your book?
"The Militia of this Country must be considered as the Palladium of our security, and the first effectual resort in case of hostility..."
Do you scoff at this guy Kosar? Do you think he knew anything about defense of his country? Is he a nut in your book?
StevieD said:
Why do you think Inflation is kicking in?
What do you think makes the dollar less valuable?
Giving it away for NOT WORKING perhaps has some influence.
Bush is giving it away like there is no tomorrow. The people working for it pay taxes and Bush, like Clinton and his daddy before him, has not met a spending bill he couldnt sign
THe Republican Congress is just as bad as the Democrat Congress...and is definitely a HUGE FAILURE in defending the border
I also am now TOTALLY against the social security privatization act. Nothing would be worse than the Government invested in half of the stockmarket.
The only solution is to take it on the cheek and get rid of SS altogether.
Raise the retirement age for SS and phase it out so that we can save for ourselves.
Get the government out of our lives as much as possible as it fails in every endeavor it undertakes.
Freeze, I don't understand where you think I'm suggesting MORE government.
I'm suggesting higher minimum wage - that's all. The rest I'm suggesting is much less government. No Earned Income Credits, Cut back on lenght of unemployment benefits, and I would love for there to be some kind of flat tax, free of loopholes.
Regarding illegals - can't you see that because they are here it completely destroys any kind of fair competition for lower paying jobs?
I'm suggesting higher minimum wage - that's all. The rest I'm suggesting is much less government. No Earned Income Credits, Cut back on lenght of unemployment benefits, and I would love for there to be some kind of flat tax, free of loopholes.
Regarding illegals - can't you see that because they are here it completely destroys any kind of fair competition for lower paying jobs?
Yep Kosar- and do you believe Gore invented the internet???
I am sure you are smart enough to know what caused the boom and when boom ended and why if not no use debating point.
Now if Bush let things go and didn't retaliate on terrorist and looked the other way as Slick did we wouldn't have that cost--if they had been more resourceful in 1st try of trade center under Slicks watch we had the economic jolt then. I assume some are naive think that corporations weren't cooking the books then --they just weren't investigated or procescuted.
Easy to be a do nothing president.
---and jobs if you want to work you can work if your a lazy fck you won't. Wife moved here from China and has had no problem finding work as well as most Asians in fact had to make her quit one of 3--they aren't used to the liberal way of years of welfare --and 70% illigitemacy --food stamps--ect--and have something called pride.
Any able body young person that has ambition enough to finish high school--has access to job with decent pay--room and board--and college paid if they wish to go that route simply by joining armed forces.
oops forgot--I'm arguing with the liberals that say illegals serve purpose in doing all the jobs no one wants--and then complain people can't find work because there are no jobs.
I know "the pay" hmm maybe if they work long enough they can get promoted and step up to welfare--right
I am sure you are smart enough to know what caused the boom and when boom ended and why if not no use debating point.
Now if Bush let things go and didn't retaliate on terrorist and looked the other way as Slick did we wouldn't have that cost--if they had been more resourceful in 1st try of trade center under Slicks watch we had the economic jolt then. I assume some are naive think that corporations weren't cooking the books then --they just weren't investigated or procescuted.
Easy to be a do nothing president.
---and jobs if you want to work you can work if your a lazy fck you won't. Wife moved here from China and has had no problem finding work as well as most Asians in fact had to make her quit one of 3--they aren't used to the liberal way of years of welfare --and 70% illigitemacy --food stamps--ect--and have something called pride.
Any able body young person that has ambition enough to finish high school--has access to job with decent pay--room and board--and college paid if they wish to go that route simply by joining armed forces.
oops forgot--I'm arguing with the liberals that say illegals serve purpose in doing all the jobs no one wants--and then complain people can't find work because there are no jobs.
I know "the pay" hmm maybe if they work long enough they can get promoted and step up to welfare--right
