They have made several attempts to get the troops out, but they don't have enough of a majority to do so. They get painted into a corner when faced with funding the troops already there - so they ultimately do the right thing, which is to make sure the soldiers are funded. Perfect scenario for the spinners, because they can make it seem as if Dems are breaking campaign promises.....which of course they are not.
Where did Hillary Clinton's mojo go?
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They have made several attempts to get the troops out, but they don't have enough of a majority to do so. They get painted into a corner when faced with funding the troops already there - so they ultimately do the right thing, which is to make sure the soldiers are funded. Perfect scenario for the spinners, because they can make it seem as if Dems are breaking campaign promises.....which of course they are not.
good answer murph...
wish you took the sexiest newscaster thread as serious as this.....know your priorities pardner...
i answered honestly and seriously in that thread. ...and i don't appreciate you doubting my sincerity.:nono:
......pardner.
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I have noticed Daddy AR treats you like a child at times. Whats up with that.
Did he stop giving you your milk money.
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Chad
If Hillary gets the nomination is there any chance she would take Obama or Edwards as VP ? I dont think so as she will be pissed at them before its over.
She should get Bill to run as her VP . Lets face it, he will be spending alot of time in the Oval office with his feet propped up , smoking cigars, remembering the good times he had.
Scott, I think there is a chance she would, if she or her people (or the dem leaders) think it's the power play in the long run - which I think either one would be with the general public. I think Biden or Richardson - or possibly even Dodd - would be a stronger person in the position, but less appealing in many ways. Richardson sure seems to be positioning for the position, IMO.
I don't think she'd want either of them by her side when this is done, and I don't think either would want to play second fiddle to her, but I think they would help form a strong ticket. They are both extremely charismatic, which would help Hillary, are great for sound bites and pictures. To step a stretch, I think Obama and Edwards would be about as strong a ticket from the camera and soundbite angle as I could think of in the current market.
I'm not looking at this from a positions angle, just the base image and voter angle.
Bottom line, I think, if Hillary thinks Obama and/or Edwards would help her become president, she'd bite the bullet. Sure wouldn't be the first time people have paired up that didn't get along or like each other. And I think all of them kind of realize that a lot of the negativity is just politics, maybe more than personal. I dunno.
GRINNELL, Iowa (CNN) -- The college student who was told what question to ask at one of New York Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign events said "voters have the right to know what happened" and she wasn't the only one who was planted.
Student Muriel Gallo-Chasanoff said a staffer told her what to ask at a campaign event for Sen. Hillary Clinton.
In an exclusive on-camera interview with CNN, Muriel Gallo-Chasanoff, a 19-year-old sophomore at Grinnell College in Grinnell, Iowa, said giving anyone specific questions to ask is "dishonest," and the whole incident has given her a negative outlook on politics.
Gallo-Chasanoff, whose story was first reported in the campus newspaper, said what happened was simple: She said a senior Clinton staffer asked if she'd like to ask the senator a question after an energy speech the Democratic presidential hopeful gave in Newton, Iowa, on November 6.
"I sort of thought about it, and I said 'Yeah, can I ask how her energy plan compares to the other candidates' energy plans?'" Gallo-Chasanoff said Monday night.
According to Gallo-Chasanoff, the staffer said, " 'I don't think that's a good idea, because I don't know how familiar she is with their plans.' " Watch the student describe how she was approached ?
He then opened a binder to a page that, according to Gallo-Chasanoff, had about eight questions on it.
"The top one was planned specifically for a college student," she added. "It said 'college student' in brackets and then the question."
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Topping that sheet of paper was the following: "As a young person, I'm worried about the long-term effects of global warming. How does your plan combat climate change?" Watch the student ask the planted question ?
And while she said she would have rather used her own question, Gallo-Chasanoff said she didn't have a problem asking the campaign's because she "likes to be agreeable," adding that since she told the staffer she'd ask their pre-typed question she "didn't want to go back on my word."
Clinton campaign spokesman Mo Elleithee said, "This is not acceptable campaign process moving forward. We've taken steps to ensure that it never happens again." Elleithee said Clinton had "no idea who she was calling on."
Gallo-Chasanoff wasn't so sure.
"I don't know whether Hillary knew what my question was going to be, but it seemed like she knew to call on me because there were so many people, and ... I was the only college student in that area," she said. Watch the full interview ?
In a separate statement in response to the campus article, the campaign said, "On this occasion a member of our staff did discuss a possible question about Sen. Clinton's energy plan at a forum. ... This is not standard policy and will not be repeated again."
Gallo-Chasanoff said she wasn't the only person given a question.
"After the event," she said, "I heard another man ... talking about the question he asked, and he said that the campaign had asked him to ask that question."
The man she referenced prefaced his question by saying that it probably didn't have anything to do with energy, and then posed the following: "I wonder what you propose to do to create jobs for the middle-class person, such as here in Newton where we lost Maytag."
A Maytag factory in Newton recently closed, forcing hundreds of people out of their jobs.
During the course of the late-night interview on Grinnell's campus, Gallo-Chasanoff also said that the day before the school's newspaper, Scarlet and Black, printed the story, she wanted the reporter to inform the campaign out of courtesy to let them know it would be published.
She said the "head of publicity for the campaign," a man whose name she could not recall, had no factual disputes with the story. But, she added, a Clinton intern spoke to her to say the campaign requested she not talk about the story to any more media outlets and that if she did she should inform a staffer.
"I'm not under any real obligation to do that, and I haven't talked to [the campaign] anymore," Gallo-Chasanoff said, adding that she doesn't plan to.
"If what I do is come and just be totally truthful, then that's all anyone can ask of me, and that's all I can ask of myself. So I'll feel good with what I've done. I'll feel like I've done the right thing."
The Clinton campaign's acknowledgment that it planted a question reinforces a widely held criticism of the senator -- that she is not entirely honest, said Bill Schneider, CNN's senior political analyst.
"It's the same criticism often made of her husband," Schneider said. "Most Americans never felt Bill Clinton was honest and trustworthy, even when he got elected in 1992 -- with only 43 percent of the vote. His critics called him 'Slick Willy.' ... Will her critics start referring to the New York senator as 'Slick Hillary?' "
Asked if this experience makes her less likely to support Clinton's presidential bid, Gallo-Chasanoff, an undecided voter, said, "I think she has a lot to offer, but I -- this experience makes me look at her campaign a little bit differently."
"The question and answer sessions -- especially in Iowa -- are really important. That's where the voters get to ... have like a real genuine conversation with this politician who could be representing them."
While she acknowledged "it's possible that all campaigns do these kind of tactics," she said that doesn't make it right.
"Personally I want to know that I have someone who's honest representing me."
A second person has a story similar to Gallo-Chasanoff's. Geoffrey Mitchell of Hamilton, Illinois, on the Iowa border, said the Clinton campaign wanted him to ask a certain question at an Iowa event in April.
"He asked me if I would ask Sen. Clinton about ways she was going to confront the president on the war in Iraq, specifically war funding," said Geoffrey Mitchell, a supporter of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois. "I told him it was not a question I felt comfortable with."
No questions were taken at the event. Elleithee said this incident was different from what happened with Gallo-Chasanoff in Newton. Elleithee said the staffer "bumped into someone he marginally knew" and during a conversation with Mitchell, "Iraq came up." Elleithee denied the campaign tried to plant him as a friendly questioner in the audience.
Mitchell said he had never met the staffer before the event.
Former presidential adviser David Gergen said the front-runner's campaign could take a hit from the incident.
"When a campaign plants a question, it's a pretty minor infraction of the rules -- like a parking ticket," Gergen said. "The problem here is it feeds a damaging perception of Hillary Clinton that she can't quite be trusted." E-mail to a friend
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Student Muriel Gallo-Chasanoff said a staffer told her what to ask at a campaign event for Sen. Hillary Clinton.
In an exclusive on-camera interview with CNN, Muriel Gallo-Chasanoff, a 19-year-old sophomore at Grinnell College in Grinnell, Iowa, said giving anyone specific questions to ask is "dishonest," and the whole incident has given her a negative outlook on politics.
Gallo-Chasanoff, whose story was first reported in the campus newspaper, said what happened was simple: She said a senior Clinton staffer asked if she'd like to ask the senator a question after an energy speech the Democratic presidential hopeful gave in Newton, Iowa, on November 6.
"I sort of thought about it, and I said 'Yeah, can I ask how her energy plan compares to the other candidates' energy plans?'" Gallo-Chasanoff said Monday night.
According to Gallo-Chasanoff, the staffer said, " 'I don't think that's a good idea, because I don't know how familiar she is with their plans.' " Watch the student describe how she was approached ?
He then opened a binder to a page that, according to Gallo-Chasanoff, had about eight questions on it.
"The top one was planned specifically for a college student," she added. "It said 'college student' in brackets and then the question."
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Topping that sheet of paper was the following: "As a young person, I'm worried about the long-term effects of global warming. How does your plan combat climate change?" Watch the student ask the planted question ?
And while she said she would have rather used her own question, Gallo-Chasanoff said she didn't have a problem asking the campaign's because she "likes to be agreeable," adding that since she told the staffer she'd ask their pre-typed question she "didn't want to go back on my word."
Clinton campaign spokesman Mo Elleithee said, "This is not acceptable campaign process moving forward. We've taken steps to ensure that it never happens again." Elleithee said Clinton had "no idea who she was calling on."
Gallo-Chasanoff wasn't so sure.
"I don't know whether Hillary knew what my question was going to be, but it seemed like she knew to call on me because there were so many people, and ... I was the only college student in that area," she said. Watch the full interview ?
In a separate statement in response to the campus article, the campaign said, "On this occasion a member of our staff did discuss a possible question about Sen. Clinton's energy plan at a forum. ... This is not standard policy and will not be repeated again."
Gallo-Chasanoff said she wasn't the only person given a question.
"After the event," she said, "I heard another man ... talking about the question he asked, and he said that the campaign had asked him to ask that question."
The man she referenced prefaced his question by saying that it probably didn't have anything to do with energy, and then posed the following: "I wonder what you propose to do to create jobs for the middle-class person, such as here in Newton where we lost Maytag."
A Maytag factory in Newton recently closed, forcing hundreds of people out of their jobs.
During the course of the late-night interview on Grinnell's campus, Gallo-Chasanoff also said that the day before the school's newspaper, Scarlet and Black, printed the story, she wanted the reporter to inform the campaign out of courtesy to let them know it would be published.
She said the "head of publicity for the campaign," a man whose name she could not recall, had no factual disputes with the story. But, she added, a Clinton intern spoke to her to say the campaign requested she not talk about the story to any more media outlets and that if she did she should inform a staffer.
"I'm not under any real obligation to do that, and I haven't talked to [the campaign] anymore," Gallo-Chasanoff said, adding that she doesn't plan to.
"If what I do is come and just be totally truthful, then that's all anyone can ask of me, and that's all I can ask of myself. So I'll feel good with what I've done. I'll feel like I've done the right thing."
The Clinton campaign's acknowledgment that it planted a question reinforces a widely held criticism of the senator -- that she is not entirely honest, said Bill Schneider, CNN's senior political analyst.
"It's the same criticism often made of her husband," Schneider said. "Most Americans never felt Bill Clinton was honest and trustworthy, even when he got elected in 1992 -- with only 43 percent of the vote. His critics called him 'Slick Willy.' ... Will her critics start referring to the New York senator as 'Slick Hillary?' "
Asked if this experience makes her less likely to support Clinton's presidential bid, Gallo-Chasanoff, an undecided voter, said, "I think she has a lot to offer, but I -- this experience makes me look at her campaign a little bit differently."
"The question and answer sessions -- especially in Iowa -- are really important. That's where the voters get to ... have like a real genuine conversation with this politician who could be representing them."
While she acknowledged "it's possible that all campaigns do these kind of tactics," she said that doesn't make it right.
"Personally I want to know that I have someone who's honest representing me."
A second person has a story similar to Gallo-Chasanoff's. Geoffrey Mitchell of Hamilton, Illinois, on the Iowa border, said the Clinton campaign wanted him to ask a certain question at an Iowa event in April.
"He asked me if I would ask Sen. Clinton about ways she was going to confront the president on the war in Iraq, specifically war funding," said Geoffrey Mitchell, a supporter of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois. "I told him it was not a question I felt comfortable with."
No questions were taken at the event. Elleithee said this incident was different from what happened with Gallo-Chasanoff in Newton. Elleithee said the staffer "bumped into someone he marginally knew" and during a conversation with Mitchell, "Iraq came up." Elleithee denied the campaign tried to plant him as a friendly questioner in the audience.
Mitchell said he had never met the staffer before the event.
Former presidential adviser David Gergen said the front-runner's campaign could take a hit from the incident.
"When a campaign plants a question, it's a pretty minor infraction of the rules -- like a parking ticket," Gergen said. "The problem here is it feeds a damaging perception of Hillary Clinton that she can't quite be trusted." E-mail to a friend
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Spitzer's plan sparked a national debate over the extension of certain privileges to illegal immigrants and haunted Democratic presidential front-runner New York Sen. Hillary Clinton on the campaign trail.
Clinton's equivocating answer to a question in a debate about whether she supported Spitzer's plan prompted lingering criticism from her closest Democratic rivals, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards
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Clinton's equivocating answer to a question in a debate about whether she supported Spitzer's plan prompted lingering criticism from her closest Democratic rivals, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards
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Anyone else find this appealing? Its a golden, open your arms and come together "perception" ticket......the white,Southern Democrat and the black, Yankee civil rights activist....... the Baptist and the muslim.......one a babe-in-the-woods on the national stage, the other a veteran of the national campaign trail......their platforms dovetail nicely (of course, that could be because they're tactically trying to advance onto the same Ole Hill).......there's potential for a powerful dynamic with ticket.
Maybe instead of who the one great leader would be, they could think of the potential for the sum being greater than the parts? Its a bit dreamy to think one could defer to the other at this stage, but its a fantastic what if.......
Thoughts??
it's the ultimate politically correct ticket...but they would get trounced in the general elction & would do damage to the democratic party....
How so AR? Trounced? Damage to the party? :shrug:
It seems to me the GOP is starting to focus on who can beat Hillary; this would look like some off-speed stuff to their machine.....imo
Not sure how it damages Dem party....
How do you see this particular fantasy of mine playing out like that?........just curious.
they are both viewed as being liberal...& liberals make up about 10% of the population. very few moderates would vote for this ticket, imo...& history has shown that when politicians have run as moderates or even right of center they have a much better chance of winning the general election then when they run as liberals.
additionally both obama & edwards are senators....& congress (wash. insiders) has a whole has a lower approval rating than bush...& besides the last time a senator won the presidency was in 1960 when jfk was elected.
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I see what you mean........lets see how the messages stand up as we move into primary season. You think the chasers (Obama/Edwards) a little too far left, huh? Think we could use a move to the left, myself.
Looking forward to tomorrow's debate to see if they start ratcheting up the pressure on Hill. Its about time for her to start answering some of the attacks on her non-positions (got let off the hook on immigration today, huh?),and fire back at her opponents weaknesses (inexperience does not count!) as well.
Good thread so far...
Looking forward to tomorrow's debate to see if they start ratcheting up the pressure on Hill. Its about time for her to start answering some of the attacks on her non-positions (got let off the hook on immigration today, huh?),and fire back at her opponents weaknesses (inexperience does not count!) as well.
Good thread so far...
I really don't see those two together as being a big detriment or getting trounced by the current crop of Republicans in any way. Those two on the campaign trail and in debates would easily take care of business compared with who they would be up against, IMO. I understand your premise of the liberal angle, but against a pair like Romney and Giuliani? McCain and Thompson? I don't see any kind of trouncing coming down the pike.
Not sure about the 10% liberal angle either. Not sure how a supposed liberal media could survive to such a degree if the only real supporters of it make up 1/10th of the population. And if you care to read any of Wayne's posts, there are a lot of liberals out there who do nothing for the country except vote to maintain their entitlements. More than 10%, if you believe the stats he props up.
What do you estimate the conservatives number to be? 10%, and the middle of the road swayables to be 80% or 70% with a fringe element that doesn't fit any mold? Just curious, talking this through.
Not sure about the 10% liberal angle either. Not sure how a supposed liberal media could survive to such a degree if the only real supporters of it make up 1/10th of the population. And if you care to read any of Wayne's posts, there are a lot of liberals out there who do nothing for the country except vote to maintain their entitlements. More than 10%, if you believe the stats he props up.
What do you estimate the conservatives number to be? 10%, and the middle of the road swayables to be 80% or 70% with a fringe element that doesn't fit any mold? Just curious, talking this through.
i would like to move a little more to the left also but stay a little right of center...if there is such a thing.
chad...
with all due respect, if you don't see those 2 being a detriment to our way of life, then you are being blinded by your ideology....& if they do get elected (thankfully highly unlikely) we'll all have to get another job to cover the extra increase in taxes that will certainly happen if they get elected as a team.
well if it does happen i will bet you anywhere up to $5000 that the obama/edwards ticket never wins the presidential election...against any republican candidate.
to be honest with you i'm not sure about the 10%liberal thing...i read it someplace but not real sure of the number....in any event i do believe there are many more people who identify themselves as conservatives than there are people who identify themselves as liberals.
I'm dissappointed. You don't normally make ridiculous statements like this.
All this tax raising stuff is so overblown it's laughable. Nobody wants to increase any taxes more than they were before Bush's unwise cuts.
But I guess deficits mean nothing? Don't you realize that bad budgets will catch up to us eventually and we will all end up paying more in the long run because of that?
i believe both edwards & obama have preached some type of universal heath care not to mention other entitlement programs that they are sure to come up with.....how will that be paid ?
If that were true, that they were advocating these "increases", then there are ways to pay for it. The thought that comes to mind is that when the dems were in control during the Clinton 1 years, there was a balanced budget with actual surpluses, and not record deficits. And, had taxes not been cut, then there would be no talk at all of increases, which are actually just a restoration of previous tax rates.
I'd personally like to see the 30% of my tax dollars currently going to service the interest on the national debt go to ANYTHING other than just that. As anyone who has to live and do a budget and plan for the future knows, paying on interest is the dumbest thing you can do. It does nobody any good, other than perhaps foreign countries who hold that debt, which makes the situation even more reprehensible.
I'm not sure how many conservatives are happy with what they pay for health care and services these days. I certainly am not. And where are those costs going? Who is doing anything to stop any of that, or take any sensible action to address it? I'm certainly willing to look at solutions that try to make some sense of this - maybe not National Health care run by the government, but SOMETHING that makes some sense. Conservatives are so willing to blast dems who are looking at alternatives, while not proposing ANYthing to deal with the problem on their own.
I'd personally like to see the 30% of my tax dollars currently going to service the interest on the national debt go to ANYTHING other than just that. As anyone who has to live and do a budget and plan for the future knows, paying on interest is the dumbest thing you can do. It does nobody any good, other than perhaps foreign countries who hold that debt, which makes the situation even more reprehensible.
I'm not sure how many conservatives are happy with what they pay for health care and services these days. I certainly am not. And where are those costs going? Who is doing anything to stop any of that, or take any sensible action to address it? I'm certainly willing to look at solutions that try to make some sense of this - maybe not National Health care run by the government, but SOMETHING that makes some sense. Conservatives are so willing to blast dems who are looking at alternatives, while not proposing ANYthing to deal with the problem on their own.
concerning Hilliaries mojo--I think it is becoming obvious what many knew long ago-- her forte is canned interviews--straddle fence on important issues. Unfortunetly for her she was exposed on the important immigration issues in debate -and to see to just what extent she will flop to public opinion was quite amusing--believe Obama's camp said iy best--
""When it takes two weeks and six different positions to answer one question on immigration, it's easier to understand why the Clinton campaign would rather plant their questions than answer them," said Barack Obama spokesman Bill Burton, referring to the Clinton campaign's admission that aides had staged a question for her at an Iowa event.
Now my question to Obama would be--why is it one party refuses to debate or appear on any news network that isn't pro Dem when the other party appears on any that will give them opportunity?
What are they scared of:shrug:
""When it takes two weeks and six different positions to answer one question on immigration, it's easier to understand why the Clinton campaign would rather plant their questions than answer them," said Barack Obama spokesman Bill Burton, referring to the Clinton campaign's admission that aides had staged a question for her at an Iowa event.
Now my question to Obama would be--why is it one party refuses to debate or appear on any news network that isn't pro Dem when the other party appears on any that will give them opportunity?
What are they scared of:shrug:
