Where Have All the ChickenHawks Gone?
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That is exactly why the system is broken. It gives the illusion of debate between the two parties while they both continue to fuck you in the ass. Over and over again. Even more sad is when people actually defend their actions.
Well, when it comes to the Middle East, as far as I am concerned, they only understand one thing and that is force. As I have posted in this thread or another, the area has always been ruled by dictators and despots. We are not going to change that and it is a fool's errand.
If Bush et al were after oil, they should have invaded, taken control of the oil fields, set up bases, etc and pumped the field dry and left.
This 'nation-building' exercise is a waste of human life. At least that way, we would have gotten something out of the money we spent and, important note here - the ME hates the US anyway so it's not like it would have damaged our reputation.
As far as Iran goes - I think the only solution there will be military unfortunately. Iran and China scare the living bahjezuzz out of me.
I would not say that the right is better than the left in this arena - Fox is the only real right outlet along with talk-radio and the left is still in control of the mainstream media sources and Hollywood so both have their avenues.
If Bush et al were after oil, they should have invaded, taken control of the oil fields, set up bases, etc and pumped the field dry and left.
This 'nation-building' exercise is a waste of human life. At least that way, we would have gotten something out of the money we spent and, important note here - the ME hates the US anyway so it's not like it would have damaged our reputation.
As far as Iran goes - I think the only solution there will be military unfortunately. Iran and China scare the living bahjezuzz out of me.
I would not say that the right is better than the left in this arena - Fox is the only real right outlet along with talk-radio and the left is still in control of the mainstream media sources and Hollywood so both have their avenues.
Originally Posted by ssd View Post
Well, when it comes to the Middle East, as far as I am concerned, they only understand one thing and that is force. As I have posted in this thread or another, the area has always been ruled by dictators and despots. We are not going to change that and it is a fool's errand.
We should be supporting democracy in the Middle East with our words and with humanitarian aid where and whenever we can. Democracy cannot be spread at the end of a gun barrel.
Look at how they treat their own people. Force is all they understand. We should not be there in any form.
If Bush et al were after oil, they should have invaded, taken control of the oil fields, set up bases, etc and pumped the field dry and left.
And what on earth could possibly give us the right to do that?
You miss my point. What gave us the right to go to war there? All I'm saying, if the issue was oil, we would have been better off to just take the oil than what we have done
This 'nation-building' exercise is a waste of human life. At least that way, we would have gotten something out of the money we spent and, important note here - the ME hates the US anyway so it's not like it would have damaged our reputation.
Wrong. The Middle East does NOT hate the U.S.
Middle East nationalists hate interventionist U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East and until we make radical changes in our foreign policy, that will continue and will only get worse.
Really? Spent anytime in the Middle East? I would say the uprisings in the ME are a result of the people being tired of the regimes that have been set up and supported by the US - they do not see the US as a place of freedom but as a repressor nation. They do not want us there
As far as Iran goes - I think the only solution there will be military unfortunately. Iran and China scare the living bahjezuzz out of me.
Sorry, but I'll never understand this kind of boogeyman mentality.
Islamo-facism and communism do not scare you? The fact that if Iran gets a nuclear weapon, they will use it? The fact the the US has essentially made China into the next superpower, since 1971 and at any moment, they could dump their US Treasury holdings and economically cripple the US? Does a 20% rate on your mortgage sound fun?
I would not say that the right is better than the left in this arena - Fox is the only real right outlet along with talk-radio and the left is still in control of the mainstream media sources and Hollywood so both have their avenues.
I wasn't referring to the media. I was referring to party politics.
I would disagree here. The Dems are much better at the propaganda and mind control. There is a reason Dems held the House for so long, from 1952 - 1992 before a Republican Majority was installed.
Well, when it comes to the Middle East, as far as I am concerned, they only understand one thing and that is force. As I have posted in this thread or another, the area has always been ruled by dictators and despots. We are not going to change that and it is a fool's errand.
We should be supporting democracy in the Middle East with our words and with humanitarian aid where and whenever we can. Democracy cannot be spread at the end of a gun barrel.
Look at how they treat their own people. Force is all they understand. We should not be there in any form.
If Bush et al were after oil, they should have invaded, taken control of the oil fields, set up bases, etc and pumped the field dry and left.
And what on earth could possibly give us the right to do that?
You miss my point. What gave us the right to go to war there? All I'm saying, if the issue was oil, we would have been better off to just take the oil than what we have done
This 'nation-building' exercise is a waste of human life. At least that way, we would have gotten something out of the money we spent and, important note here - the ME hates the US anyway so it's not like it would have damaged our reputation.
Wrong. The Middle East does NOT hate the U.S.
Middle East nationalists hate interventionist U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East and until we make radical changes in our foreign policy, that will continue and will only get worse.
Really? Spent anytime in the Middle East? I would say the uprisings in the ME are a result of the people being tired of the regimes that have been set up and supported by the US - they do not see the US as a place of freedom but as a repressor nation. They do not want us there
As far as Iran goes - I think the only solution there will be military unfortunately. Iran and China scare the living bahjezuzz out of me.
Sorry, but I'll never understand this kind of boogeyman mentality.
Islamo-facism and communism do not scare you? The fact that if Iran gets a nuclear weapon, they will use it? The fact the the US has essentially made China into the next superpower, since 1971 and at any moment, they could dump their US Treasury holdings and economically cripple the US? Does a 20% rate on your mortgage sound fun?
I would not say that the right is better than the left in this arena - Fox is the only real right outlet along with talk-radio and the left is still in control of the mainstream media sources and Hollywood so both have their avenues.
I wasn't referring to the media. I was referring to party politics.
I would disagree here. The Dems are much better at the propaganda and mind control. There is a reason Dems held the House for so long, from 1952 - 1992 before a Republican Majority was installed.
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The guy is so far right but acts like he is an independent. His questions for the board were so Foxed laced they were painfull to read and then two other guys agree with them like they have no other news sources then nitwit rightwing radio or Fox News. I agree with about 80 percent of what Trent said but the very sad part is these guys not knowing the answers. Are these guys this clueless that they have very limited news sources and just believe everything that is shoveled to them? Nobody with an ounce of brains think we went over to Iraq for just oil. The money made from just the war alone is as criminal as it gets. 60 billion here 100 billion there. Who does this Ssd character think got this money? Heck there was a time ten billion just vanished into thin air and nobody but the crooks knew where it went. They love to say that Fox is the only new organization that gets out the other side. Time and time again that side is littered with manipulating bullshit but they still swear by it. Go figure. If that is the other side of an issue then these guys will stay dumb till the day they take their last ride to the cemetary. Let me go now. Im gonna go hang out under that palm tree in Wisconsin and start up some more trouble. Fukin dopes.
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I'm so far right? Really. Really?
That is laughable.
Just because I do not agree with your point of view on everything means I MUST be a Neocon?
Wow. I thought liberals were an open-minded bunch but not if you disagree with them, I guess.
That is laughable.
Just because I do not agree with your point of view on everything means I MUST be a Neocon?
Wow. I thought liberals were an open-minded bunch but not if you disagree with them, I guess.
Thanks for the advice, Cie. I probably won't.
Notice my join date and # of posts. Thought it might be fun to add my opinion to the 'discussion' in here but it isn't so much of a discussion as a one-sided diatribe and anyone who doesn't agree with the overwhelming opinion here is flamed.
I am starting to think of it in the same light as I think of talk-radio. I believe all the talk-radio listeners listen to Rush and Hannity, etc and cycle through them so when you hear that Rush has x million listeners and Hannity has y million listeners, etc - they are all the same millions and they listen in so that they can have their point of view reinforced.
Same thing here.
Que sera sera....i have other ways to spend my time.
Notice my join date and # of posts. Thought it might be fun to add my opinion to the 'discussion' in here but it isn't so much of a discussion as a one-sided diatribe and anyone who doesn't agree with the overwhelming opinion here is flamed.
I am starting to think of it in the same light as I think of talk-radio. I believe all the talk-radio listeners listen to Rush and Hannity, etc and cycle through them so when you hear that Rush has x million listeners and Hannity has y million listeners, etc - they are all the same millions and they listen in so that they can have their point of view reinforced.
Same thing here.
Que sera sera....i have other ways to spend my time.
