Where is The Obama's Plan II

[azbob]

This thread was first posted on July 23rd and today, with disaster looming, according to the administration, The Obama still has not forwarded, devised, advised, provided leadership for, advocated, endorsed, created or outlined any plan.

The House will approve a plan tomorrow (the second plan it developed). The Senate has a plan that won't get voted upon.

The Obama will be left with using the 14th amendment or signing off on the House bill with the short term debt limit extended.

Following, in the next few weeks, our bond rating will fall.

At least Boehner is showing some leadership which is surprising to me. McCain proves he is still out of touch with anything going on in this century and The Obama is wondering why this "community won't organize."

 

[Duff Miver]

This thread was first posted on July 23rd and today, with disaster looming, according to the administration, The Obama still has not forwarded, devised, advised, provided leadership for, advocated, endorsed, created or outlined any plan.

The House will approve a plan tomorrow (the second plan it developed). The Senate has a plan that won't get voted upon.

The Obama will be left with using the 14th amendment or signing off on the House bill with the short term debt limit extended.

Following, in the next few weeks, our bond rating will fall.

At least Boehner is showing some leadership which is surprising to me. McCain proves he is still out of touch with anything going on in this century and The Obama is wondering why this "community won't organize."

And as I told you at that time, the assbob, it is not the job of the President to draft budget legislation. That is the responsibility of the House of Reps.

Learn something, sometime, the assbob.

 

[Chadman]

As mentioned, the President does not propose legislation, but of course it's easy to blame him. Of course the House is proposing plans that suit their majority party, repeatedly, and of course they come up for vote because they have a majority. The Senate is a tougher sell, but there is a senate plan, but one side refuses to vote on it.

This should come as no surprise (other than blaming the President for not proposing legislation that he can't propose, I guess... :facepalm: ), and I expected it to go this route.

However, to say that nothing will get done because there is only a week to go is pretty shortsighted (I held back the real words I wanted to use). Of course there is time to come up with new solutions and ideas, and of course both sides will realize they have to try something else or merely be obstructionist to the other side - which both sides will have to live with.

If you ask me, legislators and the President have too much to lose at this point to let this deadline pass without some kind of deal. I'm guessing the actual legislation and deal has not been formerly introduced yet, and I'm guessing both sides probably know what it will probably be like when they come down to the deadline.

Sorry - I don't think for one second with so much time to go that things won't change in the next week. But, I can understand why you would forward that idea for political purposes...

 

[Skulnik]

This thread was first posted on July 23rd and today, with disaster looming, according to the administration, The Obama still has not forwarded, devised, advised, provided leadership for, advocated, endorsed, created or outlined any plan.

The House will approve a plan tomorrow (the second plan it developed). The Senate has a plan that won't get voted upon.

The Obama will be left with using the 14th amendment or signing off on the House bill with the short term debt limit extended.

Following, in the next few weeks, our bond rating will fall.

At least Boehner is showing some leadership which is surprising to me. McCain proves he is still out of touch with anything going on in this century and The Obama is wondering why this "community won't organize."

Obama probably played a TOP SECRET round of GOLF somewhere, obama is a FRAUD, not a leader.

JMHO

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[BobbyBlueChip]

This thread was first posted on July 23rd and today, with disaster looming, according to the administration, The Obama still has not forwarded, devised, advised, provided leadership for, advocated, endorsed, created or outlined any plan.

Maybe cause he's winning :shrug:

 

[azbob]

Thank you for the civics lesson.

I guess I am old enough to remember President's who led...not ones who whined and waited.

The President, if not impotent, can shape the discussion, rally his party and lead the compromise...when not fixated on re-election.

The President, if not scared, can sign an executive order using the 14th amendment...when not afraid of taking a stand.

The President, if not overwhelmed, can influence by the power of his position and power of his personality...if that is part of his DNA.

The President, if not a puppet, can reassure the citizens and the markets that there will be a resolution to this crisis...if that suits him politically.

A community organizer does not a leader make.

 

[Cie]

A community organizer does not a leader make.

Your message is clear to the most with an objective perspective.

 

[Duff Miver]

Your message is clear to the most with an objective perspective.

Like it or not, Obama is nonetheless the President.

I find his method too conciliatory and timid; I'd rather he drew a line somewhere which he would not cross, the Taliban faction of the Republicans be damned. He's too willing to try to compromise with the "my way or the highway" crowd.

I know he's bright and well read. Why he didn't learn more from the likes of Lincoln, TR and Truman, I don't know.

But he's the only President we have, so I wish him well.

 

[Cie]

Like it or not, Obama is nonetheless the President.

I find his method too conciliatory and timid; I'd rather he drew a line somewhere which he would not cross, the Taliban faction of the Republicans be damned. He's too willing to try to compromise with the "my way or the highway" crowd.

I know he's bright and well read. Why he didn't learn more from the likes of Lincoln, TR and Truman, I don't know.

But he's the only President we have, so I wish him well.

I hear ya. I am as hopeful as anyone that this paper tiger succeeds, but not sure he has the stones for it.

 

[StevieD]

I hear ya. I am as hopeful as anyone that this paper tiger succeeds, but not sure he has the stones for it.

He was thrust into office with a huge mandate. He campaigned on change. The American people threw the Republicans out in record numbers. The first thing he did was try to be bi-partisan. Why? We had just voted the stiffs out. He has been a major disapointment. I agree, it's time he grew some balls.

 

[azbob]

Finally a consensus. This thread should be closed before someone says they wish McCain would have won.

 

[ssd]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41575850/ns/politics-white_house/t/obama-unveils-trillion-budget/


:shrug:

 

[Duff Miver]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41575850/ns/politics-white_house/t/obama-unveils-trillion-budget/


:shrug:

Can the azzbob read the date on that?

 

[Duff Miver]

Finally a consensus. This thread should be closed before someone says they wish McCain would have won.

I wish Ralph Nader had won.

 

[azbob]

I knew some knucklehead would introduce some inane comment and interupt our bliss.

Yes the article is dated Feb 2011...his "plan" was voted down by the Senate 97-0. THAT is your example of leadership from The Obama?

You know I like others in this thread am trying to maintain some optimism but, you are making it hard to do Duff.

 

[Chadman]

I would agree that Obama often does not take a strong position, deferring some of the heavy lifting to other party leaders. The thing is, people criticize him for not leading or putting out strong positions - and those people would be the first to rip them apart and be critical of those positions - and he would be publicly attacked by the talking heads that dominate our political discourse for many people these days.

But if the point is, he should take a stronger public position - I agree. I think he's losing support from his own party and supporters.

 

[Skulnik]

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[Skulnik]

CBO says that they can't score a SPEECH. :mj07:

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[Skulnik]

Douglas Elmendorf, the director of the Congressional Budget Office, told the House Budget Committee this morning that his office was unable to estimate the long-term viability of the "budget framework" President Obama outlined in his April 13 budget speech.

"We don't estimate speeches," said Elmendorf. "We need much more specificity than was provided in that speech for us to do our analysis."


You can't make this shit up.

Obama is a FOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[StevieD]

How did Boehner's bill make out? Oh yeah, they couldn't vote because he can't get his own party behind it. So just what is the Republican Plan you are so much in favor of?