Which bet would you take.. *Golf Discussion*

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Coral make Garcia a 6/4 chance to break his major duck before the end of 2010 and 1/2 not to while the Silver Medal winner Rory McIlroy is 16/1 to win a major in the next three years.


I think there is more value for Rory.. :scared

I also don't think anything is better than the back 9 of a major. The pressure and theater is one of a kind
 

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You guys are nuts. Sergio is going to have plenty more chances and with that new putting stroke I will be on him!
 

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You guys are nuts. Sergio is going to have plenty more chances and with that new putting stroke I will be on him!

Is the stroke new, or is it just a new putter. :shrug: I will agree with agent that sergio is ultra talented. More so than Mickelson IMO. He can play all the course unlike Phil. Sergio has a ton of top 5's. His driver has a piercing ball flight, he controls his irons well and has a great game around the green but his mental game is shot. His press conf was a ****in joke. Complaining about everything from the guy raking the bunker to hitting the stick and not stopping. He still hasnt grown up. He has a great shot at the pga he was 1 shot off the lead heading into sunday but shot 77 (last time at southern hills).

I actually like Rory, the guys swing has the same principles as tigers. But theres more clubhead speed and better balance and control. Tiger now squats down too much and hits a ton of wayward shots. I'll say Rory has just as good of chance but 16/1 is a little low.
 

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I would like to see Adam Scott get into the final group once and lets see what he is made of. He has shown a tendency to hit snap hooks on the 72nd hole as well. (Sawgrass and at Houston). He has underachieved more than anyone in the game in my opnion, followed by CH3, Davis Love and Monty :shrug:
 

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His press conf was a ****in joke. Complaining about everything from the guy raking the bunker to hitting the stick and not stopping.

Didn't hear his press conference but would like to. Gonna search for it now. I was out yesterday and watched the replay of it all on DVR today and thought Sergio played well enough to win and handled himself well.:shrug:
 

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Let me know when Mickelson contends on a links course. Sergios game translates everywhere unlike Phils. Phil has missed 3 out of the last 4 cuts this year ( maybe its because of the injury..maybe not) :shrug: I didn't say right now Sergio is a better player I said he is more talented.

I actually think Sergio has more top 10's this year in a lot fewer tournies.
 

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Didn't hear his press conference but would like to. Gonna search for it now. I was out yesterday and watched the replay of it all on DVR today and thought Sergio played well enough to win and handled himself well.:shrug:


BERNIE McGUIRE: Sergio, there's no easy way to say this, but I know you're bitterly disappointed.
SERGIO GARCIA: No, I'm thrilled. Of course, you know, I felt -- I definitely struggled a little bit on the front nine. I had my opportunities. Unfortunately I didn't convert.
But then I felt like I played great on the back nine. I felt like when you need to play well, I rarely missed a shot, and I just couldn't really make any putts. Then when I started going a little bit, I made an unfortunate bogey on 15.
I hit some good shots coming in. It's just one of those things. I was hitting 3-iron, so it's not an easy shot. Having to wait 15 minutes in the fairway doesn't help when you're trying to win the British Open. But, you know, I still felt like -- I still don't know how that par putt missed. I'm still trying to ask myself, trying to find an answer on that.
And then, I don't know, I should write a book on how to not miss a shot in the playoff and shoot 1-over. It's the it is way it is. It's guess it's not news in my life. I just have to move on and hopefully do better next time.

Q. As you're standing on the 17th tee in regulation, Padraig's adventure is kind of unfolding in front of you. You have a clearer view than usual. What was going through your mind?
SERGIO GARCIA: What was going through my mind? I was trying to say -- I was telling myself, just play two solid holes, and I didn't know until I started walking towards the 18th tee, I didn't know if he made double or triple. I knew he hit it twice in the water, I think they said. I know he obviously made a putt for double. And I knew par was a winner.
I tried to play the right way. It's not an easy driving hole. So I made a good par on 17, hit a great putt, unfortunately it didn't break.
On 18 I hit a great tee shot. And as I said before, when you're one shot in front, hitting a 3-iron into a green where there's danger everywhere, having to wait at least 15 minutes to hit your shot doesn't help. It doesn't help at all. I wasn't very happy about that.
And then unfortunately just didn't cut it, went in the bunker. Hit a great bunker shot, just a little too far. And I hit a great putt. I thought it was right there. I thought it was in and kind of went a little left and lipped out. So that's the way it is.

Q. Does the pain of losing, particularly the way you did, hurt more than the satisfaction of playing well? One could argue that you were the best player throughout the course of the week, and a centimeter here or there with the putts and you've got the Jug. I was wondering about the mix of emotions you're going through right now?
SERGIO GARCIA: I'm fine. I'm disappointed. But the week is over. Padraig played well today and well enough to win. So just have to get better, I guess. There's nothing else I can really think about at the moment.

Q. I'm just wondering, when you've missed putts by a fraction over and over and then a shot hits a flagstick and bounces 15 feet away.
SERGIO GARCIA: It's funny. It's funny how some guys hit the pin or hit the pin and go to a foot. Mine hits the pin and goes 20 feet away.

Q. It's just not meant to be?
SERGIO GARCIA: It's -- you know what's the saddest thing about it? It's not the first time. It's not the first time, unfortunately. So, I don't know, I'm playing against a lot of guys out there, more than the field.

Q. How tough is it carrying the lead into the last round of a major and particularly since you led all three days? Is will a pressure there?
SERGIO GARCIA: Definitely, definitely. I was definitely a little bit nervous at the beginning and it's understandable. If you're trying to win an Open Championship and you're leading and you're not nervous, then you must be dead.
But I don't know how I managed to do these things. It seems to me like every time I get in this kind of position I have no room for error. I need to miss one shot and I really get many good breaks. The birdie I made on 3 I made out of a divot on the fairway. And then missed a couple of putts and hit a couple of not very good shots, but actually not that bad either. That's it.

Q. Did you know where you stood? You started the day three shots and next day you were four ahead. I just wondered did you look at the leaderboards?
SERGIO GARCIA: I always look at the leaderboards, always.

Q. So you knew what was going on?
SERGIO GARCIA: Of course.

Q. By my count 15, 17 and 18 in regulation and all four holes on the playoff you missed on the high side by just an absolute fraction.
SERGIO GARCIA: They all touched the hole.

Q. Is that just -- is that the first time it's ever happened to you?
SERGIO GARCIA: (Laughing). Obviously you haven't been watching me much (laughter). You only watch the guys that make the putts and get the good breaks and things like that.

Q. What was that 15-minute delay avoidable or was it one of those things? What were you seeing in front of you?
SERGIO GARCIA: Well, the first -- I guess the first kind of five minutes or seven minutes you couldn't avoid because the guys were in front of -- they were putting. Then it seemed to take a long time to rake two bunkers. I don't know. It took a long time, a very long time. It's not fun, not fun standing there, when you know you're hitting the ball well and you know what you have to do. You know you need to hit -- if you get me with an 8-iron or 9-iron, still not easy, but at least -- but you're hitting a 3-iron and you know you need to make par, it's not very easy.

Q. First shot you waited all day, 18?
SERGIO GARCIA: No, obviously you're not going to -- it's not about waiting. We waited on some of the holes, but we waited for the guys to finish. I'm just not happy about the extra a lot of time it took to get everything ready for me to be able to hit my second shot.

Q. You hit driver on 18 in the playoff?
SERGIO GARCIA: I needed to, two back.

Q. But you hit an iron off the tee in regulation. Did you feel like you just needed to play it safe?
SERGIO GARCIA: No, well, I mean, I'm trying to play the right way. Unfortunately you guys cannot know the feeling of standing there and it's a tough driving hole. I could have hit drive, definitely I could have hit drive and then I could have hit it in the burn like Padraig did or Stewart Cink did or I could hit a good drive, definitely. But I'm trying to play the right way, trying to make sure I'm in the fairway, make sure I get a shot to the green. I know I have to make four. So I'm playing it easier off the tee, tougher to the green, but at the moment it feels like it's the right way.
And the way I was hitting my long irons, I was flushing 3-iron after 3-iron on 12, on 14, straight at the pin. So I knew -- on 16, too -- so I knew I was able to do it, I was comfortable with it. But I definitely would like to have hit that shot a little quicker.
 

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BERNIE McGUIRE: Sergio, there's no easy way to say this, but I know you're bitterly disappointed.
SERGIO GARCIA: No, I'm thrilled. Of course, you know, I felt -- I definitely struggled a little bit on the front nine. I had my opportunities. Unfortunately I didn't convert.
But then I felt like I played great on the back nine. I felt like when you need to play well, I rarely missed a shot, and I just couldn't really make any putts. Then when I started going a little bit, I made an unfortunate bogey on 15.
I hit some good shots coming in. It's just one of those things. I was hitting 3-iron, so it's not an easy shot. Having to wait 15 minutes in the fairway doesn't help when you're trying to win the British Open. But, you know, I still felt like -- I still don't know how that par putt missed. I'm still trying to ask myself, trying to find an answer on that.
And then, I don't know, I should write a book on how to not miss a shot in the playoff and shoot 1-over. It's the it is way it is. It's guess it's not news in my life. I just have to move on and hopefully do better next time.

Q. As you're standing on the 17th tee in regulation, Padraig's adventure is kind of unfolding in front of you. You have a clearer view than usual. What was going through your mind?
SERGIO GARCIA: What was going through my mind? I was trying to say -- I was telling myself, just play two solid holes, and I didn't know until I started walking towards the 18th tee, I didn't know if he made double or triple. I knew he hit it twice in the water, I think they said. I know he obviously made a putt for double. And I knew par was a winner.
I tried to play the right way. It's not an easy driving hole. So I made a good par on 17, hit a great putt, unfortunately it didn't break.
On 18 I hit a great tee shot. And as I said before, when you're one shot in front, hitting a 3-iron into a green where there's danger everywhere, having to wait at least 15 minutes to hit your shot doesn't help. It doesn't help at all. I wasn't very happy about that.
And then unfortunately just didn't cut it, went in the bunker. Hit a great bunker shot, just a little too far. And I hit a great putt. I thought it was right there. I thought it was in and kind of went a little left and lipped out. So that's the way it is.

Q. Does the pain of losing, particularly the way you did, hurt more than the satisfaction of playing well? One could argue that you were the best player throughout the course of the week, and a centimeter here or there with the putts and you've got the Jug. I was wondering about the mix of emotions you're going through right now?
SERGIO GARCIA: I'm fine. I'm disappointed. But the week is over. Padraig played well today and well enough to win. So just have to get better, I guess. There's nothing else I can really think about at the moment.

Q. I'm just wondering, when you've missed putts by a fraction over and over and then a shot hits a flagstick and bounces 15 feet away.
SERGIO GARCIA: It's funny. It's funny how some guys hit the pin or hit the pin and go to a foot. Mine hits the pin and goes 20 feet away.

Q. It's just not meant to be?
SERGIO GARCIA: It's -- you know what's the saddest thing about it? It's not the first time. It's not the first time, unfortunately. So, I don't know, I'm playing against a lot of guys out there, more than the field.

Q. How tough is it carrying the lead into the last round of a major and particularly since you led all three days? Is will a pressure there?
SERGIO GARCIA: Definitely, definitely. I was definitely a little bit nervous at the beginning and it's understandable. If you're trying to win an Open Championship and you're leading and you're not nervous, then you must be dead.
But I don't know how I managed to do these things. It seems to me like every time I get in this kind of position I have no room for error. I need to miss one shot and I really get many good breaks. The birdie I made on 3 I made out of a divot on the fairway. And then missed a couple of putts and hit a couple of not very good shots, but actually not that bad either. That's it.

Q. Did you know where you stood? You started the day three shots and next day you were four ahead. I just wondered did you look at the leaderboards?
SERGIO GARCIA: I always look at the leaderboards, always.

Q. So you knew what was going on?
SERGIO GARCIA: Of course.

Q. By my count 15, 17 and 18 in regulation and all four holes on the playoff you missed on the high side by just an absolute fraction.
SERGIO GARCIA: They all touched the hole.

Q. Is that just -- is that the first time it's ever happened to you?
SERGIO GARCIA: (Laughing). Obviously you haven't been watching me much (laughter). You only watch the guys that make the putts and get the good breaks and things like that.

Q. What was that 15-minute delay avoidable or was it one of those things? What were you seeing in front of you?
SERGIO GARCIA: Well, the first -- I guess the first kind of five minutes or seven minutes you couldn't avoid because the guys were in front of -- they were putting. Then it seemed to take a long time to rake two bunkers. I don't know. It took a long time, a very long time. It's not fun, not fun standing there, when you know you're hitting the ball well and you know what you have to do. You know you need to hit -- if you get me with an 8-iron or 9-iron, still not easy, but at least -- but you're hitting a 3-iron and you know you need to make par, it's not very easy.

Q. First shot you waited all day, 18?
SERGIO GARCIA: No, obviously you're not going to -- it's not about waiting. We waited on some of the holes, but we waited for the guys to finish. I'm just not happy about the extra a lot of time it took to get everything ready for me to be able to hit my second shot.

Q. You hit driver on 18 in the playoff?
SERGIO GARCIA: I needed to, two back.

Q. But you hit an iron off the tee in regulation. Did you feel like you just needed to play it safe?
SERGIO GARCIA: No, well, I mean, I'm trying to play the right way. Unfortunately you guys cannot know the feeling of standing there and it's a tough driving hole. I could have hit drive, definitely I could have hit drive and then I could have hit it in the burn like Padraig did or Stewart Cink did or I could hit a good drive, definitely. But I'm trying to play the right way, trying to make sure I'm in the fairway, make sure I get a shot to the green. I know I have to make four. So I'm playing it easier off the tee, tougher to the green, but at the moment it feels like it's the right way.
And the way I was hitting my long irons, I was flushing 3-iron after 3-iron on 12, on 14, straight at the pin. So I knew -- on 16, too -- so I knew I was able to do it, I was comfortable with it. But I definitely would like to have hit that shot a little quicker.


Thanks man!:toast:
 

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I will say minus the second shot on the first playoff hole Sergio pured all 3 irons into the green. He just was unlucky on the putts but thats golf. Take it like a man and move on.
 

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By the way Jack maybe you should ask Mick about Sergio from Sundays Ryder Cup Singles match where Sergio put it on him :shrug:
 

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The guy had a two stroke lead going into the last day of this thing. He coughed it up.

I don't want to back him at this point in time is all I'm saying.

He's always been known as a non-closer.
 

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So, I don't know, I'm playing against a lot of guys out there, more than the field.


This is the only comment that bothers me. WTF is he saying here?
 

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The guy had a two stroke lead going into the last day of this thing. He coughed it up.

I don't want to back him at this point in time is all I'm saying.

He's always been known as a non-closer.

3 shot lead actually, over 1 guy, then I think 5 over the next.

But he shot 73, not 85.....and hit many many good putts that just as easily could have gone in as missed.
 

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So, I don't know, I'm playing against a lot of guys out there, more than the field.


This is the only comment that bothers me. WTF is he saying here?
Not sure but i guess he means inner daemons


Q. I'm just wondering, when you've missed putts by a fraction over and over and then a shot hits a flagstick and bounces 15 feet away.
SERGIO GARCIA: It's funny. It's funny how some guys hit the pin or hit the pin and go to a foot. Mine hits the pin and goes 20 feet away.

You only watch the guys that make the putts and get the good breaks and things like that.

Those comments bother me..
 

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The one thing the USGA should learn from this is that birdies should be accessible. It was good to see Padraig, els and romero make runs.. You would never see that shit at the US Open. You see leaders falter but you dont see people coming from behind.
 

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The one thing the USGA should learn from this is that birdies should be accessible. It was good to see Padraig, els and romero make runs.. You would never see that shit at the US Open. You see leaders falter but you dont see people coming from behind.

They won't learn, they never have and never will. PGA gets it the best year in and year out IMO.

If you don't have guys this good getting to -10 (insane weather aside), then the golf course is tricked up.

EDIT: And I'm saying they DID get to -10 at Carnoustie because of the par 71.
 
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