Who do you think are the top 5 programs......

[Scott4USC]

fletcher

Nice list, and I agree 100% with you about Maryland. They are def. heading in the right direction. I do disagree with you saying Miami will dominate the ACC. I am not sold on Coker and the discipline of that program. Look who they just recruited. Willie Williams, the guy got arrested 10 times and he is what, 18 years old. Give me a break. It is very important to look at the character of the players you recruit. For example, USC recruited Randy Estes, #1 safety in the nation, 5star recruit, he got caught with drugs and arrested, USC immediately withdrew their offer. I am proud of that and I do not want athletes like that on the team even though they are world class athletes. It will bite you back eventually taking those athletes and it does not make your University look good. I guess Miami likes being known as thugs and just a football school. I think Willie Williams violated his probation 3 different ways and might be heading to jail. BAD WAY TO RECRUIT FOR MIAMI.

 

[Mr Hockey]

Scott you have been called out on your biased ways & other bs for months. Do you sit here & enjoy looking like a fool to most here?

How many people actually find you to not be annoying on this board? You have lost alot of respect anyone might have had for you because you are biased & always want to be right.

Get a life seriously.

 

[Scott4USC]

Mr Hockey

I think you do not understand. I do not care if I make any friends of not. I like to talk and debate college football. Many of you like to bash and make personal attacks.

Scott you have been called out on your biased ways & other bs for months.

I have???? That is funny, nobody, NOBODY here was able to counter argue any of my debates. That is funny. If my write-ups are biased or not, that has nothing to do with anything. I also think if you were to debate, usually you are biased to the side your debating for. Think about it. I am also not ignorant and if someone could bring up a good counter argument or for once support their opinion, I might think differently. Nobody can and therefore people get ticked at me. That is fine with me because I always get the last laugh at the personal attacks back at me. That lets me know I did a damn good job with my write-up.

How many people actually find you to not be annoying on this board? You have lost alot of respect anyone might have had for you because you are biased & always want to be right.

Again, I do not care what you people think of me. I am not here to make friends and invite you over. If you do not like me, so be it. I do know and have been told by quite of few people they like what I write. Do you think silly polls or personal attacks bother me? Not at all, i just laugh at all who make them. Shows their lack of character and level of intelligence. Remember, I am not speaking about everyone here, just a handful.

Do I always want to be right? When have I said that? I do have a very very high credibility here at madjacks, like it or not. Very few times in my prognostications have I been wrong. And whenever I post my opinion I always give support behing it and mostly objective support. So then how can you dispute what I say when I support my opinions with objective facts?? Bias or not, you have no argument on that.

If you do not like me, that is fine. I am not going to try and make you like me. It is unfortunate if you do, because I try and treat everyone with respect and very rarely ever make any personal attacks. I def. try and refrain from participating in that nonsense. Anyone who calls me names obviously feels threatened by me. You may disagree but then ask yourself why call me names? Think about it. Nobody here gets under my skin. This post is not all directed towards you Mr. Hockey (majority is), but rather to those who have a problem with me.

 

[bbk]

hockey and ctown completely agree wish this joker would just get thrown off this site; i am not looking forward to next season when all i see is worthless usc threads on every single line
lucas needs to leave; hopefully madjack will help us and throw this scoob out of here

 

[Scott4USC]

bbk

First of all your not Madjack. Madjack even has told me I am valuable to his site so I do not think I will ever be thrown off. If Madjack ever has a problem with me, he will e-mail me and I will listen. You on the otherhand, I never will.

2nd, I would never clog up this forum with USC stuff every line during the college football season. College football season is more geared towards handicapping so at the most a single thread "if" there is a debate. If that would happen, it prob. be more towards the end of the year with teams in the title run. Again, you do not have to participate in any of my threads. I have never asked you too. I welcome anybody to debate with me, but I just hope they can debate intellectually.

3rd, every post I make I feel is valuable and well written. If you do not like it, do not read it. Too bad I cannot say the same things about your posts at the current moment.

4th, I am sorry you are so threatened by me.

 

[Avalanche]

SCOTT4USC:

I'm very sorry, but for you or ANYONE to say the PAC-10 is better than the SEC is absolutely, positively, completely ridiculous.

As for your banter about Oklahoma, my point has been well-articulated already by others. You claim Stoops is a "whiner" and that Oklahoma got blown out in the last two games of the season.... sure K-State was a blowout, but Oklahoma almost tied the LSU game with 4 shots inside the red zone to send the game into OT against LOUSIANA STATE UNIVERSITY in the LOUSIANA Superdome in New Orleans, LOUSIANA. I dont hear Stoops whining about anything.. and if anyone is really whining in this whole process, its USC. For Pete Carroll to exclaim "We just won the national championship" when his team didn't even QUALIFY for the National Championship is the closest thing I can justify as being a "whiner."

While I can respect someone loving their team and pulling for them, and to a lesser degree blitzing this board with PR about their team of choice, it seems clear that you just seem to do this with one clear intention and that is simply to get a rise out of people and stir things up... get people pissed, etc... Where in the hell were you a few years ago anyway when USC was a decent PAC 10 team and nothing more?

I mean, come on..... how can ANY COMPETENT person claim that the PAC 10 is better than the SEC???? That is absolutely ridiculous. The SEC is loaded pretty much from top to bottom except for 1 or 2 teams... I'd put the BIG 12 and BIG 10 ahead of the Pac 10 too... lets hear you defend the PAC 10 rather than the usual banter of the Trojans (we've gotten the message, no need to continue the USC pub, thanks) and lets hear you defend the conference. Good luck with the Cals, Oregon States, Arizonas, Arizona States, and Washingtons..... The only other decent teams in the PAC 10 are WSU and Oregon (at home only).

 

[Scott4USC]

Avalanche

First time I seen you post i believe and I enjoyed reading it. Thanks for not making any personal attacks and acting immature as others here love to do. I am not sure you have not been reading the college forum on a daily basis for the last couple months. I hope that is the case because you said....

I'm very sorry, but for you or ANYONE to say the PAC-10 is better than the SEC is absolutely, positively, completely ridiculous.

I NEVER SAID THE PAC- 10 is better than the SEC I said the SEC is not a dominant conference as everyone likes to proclaim. I said at the very least, Pac 10 is on par with the SEC. The pac 10 is better than the SEC head to head and against BCS competition. Also the Pac 10 plays a tougher OOC schedule than the SEC. These are FACTS! Remember, I am not talking just about a specific season.

You said.....

I mean, come on..... how can ANY COMPETENT person claim that the PAC 10 is better than the SEC???? That is absolutely ridiculous.

Again, please do not put words into my mouth. I highly encourage you to read these 2 posts I provided for the board. You desperately need to read these and then come tell me how much more dominant the SEC is over everyone and the Pac 10. If you still have the same opinion, that is fine with me, but please counter my arguments. Remember, my arguments are mainly OBJECTIVE, so it will be pretty hard for you to counter them. Please go to this link and read "my" 1st post and my 3rd post in the link. I think you will come away impressed. I look forward to your reply.

http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=131102

lets hear you defend the PAC 10 rather than the usual banter of the Trojans (we've gotten the message, no need to continue the USC pub, thanks) and lets hear you defend the conference.

WRONG, i have debated the conferences prob. more than USC. Go to the link above that I provided you.

Why have i talked most about USC?
Didn't USC split a NC? Isn't there merit for a debate between USC and LSU? Didn't USC pull in the #1 recruiting class? Didn't USC bring in the most 5-star recruits in the history of recruiting? This is a college football forum, and I apologize if it bothers you or anybody else that USC is the hottest team in the country right now. There is reason to talk about them.

I agree with you that OU did not get blown out by LSU. Your right. I just thought OU team was not prepared to play and poorly coached. Stupid penalties and the QB could not read a defense. I was disapointed in OU this year. A coach should have his team playing the best football at the end of the year and OU got beat by the top 2 teams they faced that year and at the end of the year. Not very good. I also do not like how Stoops articulated himself. Did you hear his interview after the LSU loss? I just do not care for him, just my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I think Stoops is an excellent coach, but I have taken him off the pedistal that I once put him on. He still is a top 5 head coach IMO.

 

[scott]

Scott4usc,
Based on conference schedules, Who has a tougher Conference Schedule. Pac10 or SEC?

 

[Scott4USC]

Scott4usc,
Based on conference schedules, Who has a tougher Conference Schedule. Pac10 or SEC?

Sorry, but that was a dumb question. In this thread I already posted the SOS of all the conferences. Did you not read it? Here it is in case you did not see it and I do have a right to assume you read it since you participated in this thread. I am not calling you dumb, just your question.

#2 SEC 25.9

#3 Pac 10 28.9 (not bad for a "down" year in Pac 10)

VERY SIMILAR. Now, if you want to know who plays a tougher SOS in the last 10 years, the PAC 10 hands down. On average, the Pac 10 plays a tougher SOS than the SEC. SEC SOS was only 3pts better in a down year for the Pac 10. What does that tell you? Was it also a down year for the SEC???? These are not opinions shared by me, but rather facts.

 

[scott]

With tenn, florida, georgia(injuries) (by their standards) auburn, and alabama all not having good years, you could call this a down year for the SEC, but still they did pretty good, too bad that two of the best teams could not win their bowl games. 7-0 was extremely possible.

 

[mansa_musa]

1 USC
2 Georgia
3 LSU
4 Ohio St
5 Oklahoma

Not a big difference from 2-5, but I think SC is just a monster program right now.

Blackman

"A conference is only as strong as it's weakest team when judging them by SOS." I think this is the most intelligent comment on conf strength I have heard in this forum. That's why I think the Pac 10 is the strongest conf. The Vandy's, Kentucky's, Miss St's, Temple's, Baylor's & Rutger's of the world going 3-5 yrs w/o winning a conf game is what weakens those conf's. Yeah the Pac 10 teams have extremely bad seasons, but a 1-10 Cal team has managed to turn around their fortunes somewhat in less than 3 yrs. I dont see the bottom teams in the Big 12, Big 10, ACC or SEC making themselves more competitive nationally. Since 1990 every single Pac 10 team (except Cal I think) has won or shared the conf title. Every single Pac 10 team in that same time span has finished the season ranked top 10 by AP & Coaches polls. The only other conf I think that can challenge that is the Big 10, but I dont have the stats.

bbk

I think you may be letting your personal animosity toward Scott4USC go too far. Your comments about the strength of the SEC compared to the Pac 10 are way off base & comical at best. I, personally, would much rather read Scott's ramblings about SC than your childish attacks & uninformed opinions. Especially when the main goal is to make $$ at this!

gman2

I have to disagree with your point that the total defense stats dont lie. All football stats are a function of who you play. SC plays in a much more offensively explosive conf. Let's take all the yardage OSU gained v SC for example. Name the team on either OU or LSU's schedule that featured a pro quality QB, RB & WR like OSU did. The teams at the top of the total defense stats year in & year out are usually the teams that face offenses that are not good. LSU's best defensive games last yr came v AZ, W. Ill, LA-Monroe, Miss St, LA Tech -- not an offensive murderer's row by any stretch of the imagination.
Remember, OU had the #1 off in the country, when they were facing the soft defenses in the Big 12 (6 teams allowed over 30 ppg to BCS teams). Then when they faced stiffer comp & needed to score late, that same off was completely inept & overmatched.

 

[Mr Hockey]

Scott you have been called out numerous times. All because people don't debate you point by point on alot of your gospel obsession doesn't mean they haven't called you out at all.

No one with half a brain can call USC a monster program right now. They have the "POTENTIAL" to be a monster program no doubt but the key word is "POTENTIAL"

It has to be proven on the field & with national titles.

Potential doesn't always equal success, ask a team like Texas over the last # of years.

 

[Scott4USC]

Mr Hockey

No one with half a brain can call USC a monster program right now. They have the "POTENTIAL" to be a monster program no doubt but the key word is "POTENTIAL"

I got news for you, USC is a monster program right now. Just look at all the media. USC without a doubt is the hottest program in the country. PERIOD!

You are right that USC has the "potential" to dominate college football for the next 5-10 years. You do not think USC is a monster program? Where have you been the last 2 years???

MANY people will argue USC had the best college football team at the end of the year the last 2 years.

2 years ago USC went 11-2 with the #1 Strength of Schedule and many argued it was one of the toughest schedules of all time.

USC won an AP National Championship in what was suppose to be a "rebuilding" year!!!!

USC in the last 3 years has NEVER lost in November. Always playing their best football at the end of the year like your suppose too!

USC won a Heisman Trophy 2years ago and has 3 players who are candidates to win it this year.

USC beat their opponents last year by an "average" of 4 touchdowns!!!

USC just recruited back to back #1 recruiting classes. USC this year recruited 8 5-star players, that has NEVER been done before. USC right now has more talent than just about any other college football program.

USC has the #1 OC in the country (Chow) and Carroll is a top 3 DC.

USC has won 2 straight BCS bowl games and dominated each opponent!!!!

USC has won 27 of their last 31 games!!!!

Your right USC has the potential to be a dynasty in college football, but like it or not, USC is already is a monster program along with OU, LSU, Miami, etc..

I guess mansa_musa and I just have a half a brain.

 

[Blackman]

Of course USC is a "monster" program. Top team in a BCS conference, nationwide media coverage, great reputation. Teams that weren't even all that great this year are still monster programs. Perfect example is Penn St.

On a Saturday afternoon in central PA, you can go into any store and there will be a TV with the PSU game on. Win or lose, Saturday afternoon is dedicated to the Nittany Lions. While I'm not familiar with all of the programs around the nation, I'd have to think that most of the State schools with major football programs are the same way. (Texas, Nebraska, OU, Ohio St, Michigan etc..)

 

[Mr Hockey]

Mr Hockey


I got news for you, USC is a monster program right now. Just look at all the media. USC without a doubt is the hottest program in the country. PERIOD!

You are right that USC has the "potential" to dominate college football for the next 5-10 years. You do not think USC is a monster program? Where have you been the last 2 years???

MANY people will argue USC had the best college football team at the end of the year the last 2 years.

2 years ago USC went 11-2 with the #1 Strength of Schedule and many argued it was one of the toughest schedules of all time.

USC won an AP National Championship in what was suppose to be a "rebuilding" year!!!!

USC in the last 3 years has NEVER lost in November. Always playing their best football at the end of the year like your suppose too!

USC won a Heisman Trophy 2years ago and has 3 players who are candidates to win it this year.

USC beat their opponents last year by an "average" of 4 touchdowns!!!

USC just recruited back to back #1 recruiting classes. USC this year recruited 8 5-star players, that has NEVER been done before. USC right now has more talent than just about any other college football program.

USC has the #1 OC in the country (Chow) and Carroll is a top 3 DC.

USC has won 2 straight BCS bowl games and dominated each opponent!!!!

USC has won 27 of their last 31 games!!!!

Your right USC has the potential to be a dynasty in college football, but like it or not, USC is already is a monster program along with OU, LSU, Miami, etc..

I guess mansa_musa and I just have a half a brain.

Once again clown learn to read & understand what is written.

HYPE DOES NOT EQUAL MONSTER PROGRAMS

WHAT YOU DO ON THE FIELD & WINNING TITLES = MONSTER PROGRAMS.

God you are pathetic.

 

[Scott4USC]

Mr Hockey

Wait a second, did you not read my post? I do not understand where you are coming from. Blackman, mansa_musa and I all agree USC is a monster program. You do not? Why? Explain why?
Please read my post and everything I wrote about USC, and tell me why that does not make USC a monster program. Who has done better? If USC is not a monster program, then by your definition no team in the country is a monster program. Simple as that.

What USC has done in the last 2 years is not hype, it is fact. USC did it.

WHAT YOU DO ON THE FIELD & WINNING TITLES = MONSTER PROGRAMS.

That comment supports my claim USC IS A MONSTER PROGRAM. :lol:

Again, you have the right to your own opinion (I am sure not too many intelligent fans agree with you) but please read my post again and tell me how each and every single thing I wrote does not make USC a Monster Program. Otherwise your opinion is worthless because of lack of support. You failed to provide an example of a Monster Program and you failed to explain why USC is not a Monster Program. All in all, you failed to support your ridiculous opinion. Please do not debate with me if you have no substance.

 

[Kdogg21]

http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=135871

 

[Mr Hockey]

Mr Hockey

Wait a second, did you not read my post? I do not understand where you are coming from. Blackman, mansa_musa and I all agree USC is a monster program. You do not? Why? Explain why?
Please read my post and everything I wrote about USC, and tell me why that does not make USC a monster program. Who has done better? If USC is not a monster program, then by your definition no team in the country is a monster program. Simple as that.

What USC has done in the last 2 years is not hype, it is fact. USC did it.



That comment supports my claim USC IS A MONSTER PROGRAM. :lol:

Again, you have the right to your own opinion (I am sure not too many intelligent fans agree with you) but please read my post again and tell me how each and every single thing I wrote does not make USC a Monster Program. Otherwise your opinion is worthless because of lack of support. You failed to provide an example of a Monster Program and you failed to explain why USC is not a Monster Program. All in all, you failed to support your ridiculous opinion. Please do not debate with me if you have no substance.

Oh god shut the hell up. So because you & your cheerleader say your school is a monster program, that makes it FACT? God you are an idiot if you truly believe that.

You bring up their record, whipee do da, how many titles have they won on a field of play in a national title game again? The answer is none!

Who cares how much media attention a team gets. Since when does that prove anything? Yet another stupid statement by yours truly.

I can give two shits how many #1 recruiting classes someone has in a row, I like many others are interested in what that translates to on the field & in number of championships & nothing else!

Texas is a classic example of a team that had great recruiting classes, hell alot called Mack Brown the recruiting national champion & what did that get him so far?

Winning titles is so much more then just recruiting classes. Lets see USC win a title or two in a legit national championship before screaming they are the best.

Also if anyone would sit here & say that the USC from 2 years ago was the top team in the nation then they truly are stupid as I don't see how anyone with half a brain can say a two loss team is better then 2 undefeated teams.

God get a clue moron.

 

[Scott4USC]

Mr Hockey

Who cares how much media attention a team gets. Since when does that prove anything? Yet another stupid statement by yours truly.

I think that is a valid argument by me because a monster program would get a lot of media attention. USC recieved a lot of media attention from winning a Heisman Trophy, destroying a very good Iowa team in a BCS game, winning an AP NC by dominating a very good Michigan team, and in this last recruiting class USC signed more 5-star recruits than any team ever has. What other program has recieved more pub? I think this is a valid argument that USC is a monster program.

Texas is a classic example of a team that had great recruiting classes, hell alot called Mack Brown the recruiting national champion & what did that get him so far?

You cannot compare Texas or Mack Brown to USC because USC has recruited better classes than Texas and USC coaching staff is leaps and bounds better than Texas staff. That is why USC has won 27 of their last 31 games. That is why USC has dominated their last 2 BCS opponents. That is why USC has won an AP National Championship! GREAT COACHING + GREAT TALENT

Winning titles is so much more then just recruiting classes. Lets see USC win a title or two in a legit national championship before screaming they are the best.

I never said USC was the best in this argument. I said USC is a monster program, along with a few other select schools. Do you even understand the argument? The argument is if USC is a monster program or not.

Also if anyone would sit here & say that the USC from 2 years ago was the top team in the nation then they truly are stupid as I don't see how anyone with half a brain can say a two loss team is better then 2 undefeated teams.

I am sorry, there are a lot of people 2 years ago felt USC was the best team in the country at the end of the year. This year many people felt USC, LSU, Michigan were the best teams in the country at the end of the year. USC destroyed MIchigan who many considered one of the best teams in the country. 2 years ago, USC had the #1 SOS, toughest schedule a team has played in 20+ years. USC went 11-2 and completely dominated their last 8 opponents. USC then dominated a very good IOWA team who were co-champs to OSU in the Big 10. OSU deserved the NC, but in my opinion were not the best team in the nation that year. I am not alone on that opinion. I wonder why OSU "never" got the respect National Champions usually get. I can tell you why. OSU all year would win ugly. Win close games. Win with "luck" you can say. Last second prayer plays. OSU was not a dominating team. Then OSU beat an AWESOME Miami team, but wait. Miami had 5 turnovers, #1 player leave in the 3rd quarter from injury, OSU needing a 4th down pass to stay "alive", then OSU needed that ref to call (very questionable) a PI in the end zone to keep "alive" and Dorsey leaving in OT. If Miami turned the ball over 5 times against USC, USC would have won by 40+ points. OSU barely beat Miami in OT :lol:. Sure OSU was the best team in the nation. NO WAY you can tell me OSU dominated anybody in college football a way a NC should. Look at USC and how they dominated MIchigan in the Rose Bowl. That is why USC has all the media loving them and pulling in #1 recruiting classes. Players want to play for a team who dominates and leaves little room for who is the best team in the nation. Your living in a LA LA land if you think I am in the minority who felt USC was the best team in the nation 2 years ago.

Ohio St. deserved the National Championship, but I strongly feel USC was the best team at the end of that year.

Again, you failed to explain to me who is a Monster Program, and I feel your counter arguments against USC were not very good. They lacked any support or comparisons. Saying anybody who feels that way is an idiot is not good support for your opinion.

 

[mansa_musa]

Mr Hockey

Please dont characterize me as Scott4USC's cheerleader. We happen to agree on a few opinions. I made no personal observations, insults or comments. I made it a point in another thread to completely separate myself from his remarks about you all. I added my opinion to the man's post. That's all!

Yet another stupid statement by yours truly.

"Yours truly," means you. So the next time you call somebody an idiot, make sure you are grammatically correct. Plus, how can you call anybody an idiot, when you have a picture of Steve Spurrier underneath your name? His national titles can be counted on, hmmmm -- 0 hands! I guess your parents never taught you to keep quiet when grown folks are talking! So let me be the first to tell you -- Shut the **** up!!!