Who will get Iraq's oil?

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We love our gas, we love our gas.
You idiots love your gas too. yu just like to pretend we dont have to fight for it
 

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So when you say WE, like all republicans, you don't mean you, you mean other people's kids go into Iran and get blownup. Yes i like gas, but i love my children more. I even like the lives of other young Americans more. I take the Bus and ride my bike pretty much all the time. If more people did this could save alot of gas.

Hillary being President won't change much because lobbyists run this country, to include Israel. America has seen it's best days. There are no real leaders here.

American leaders beat the drums of war, yet they don't show when the battle begins.
 

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Hillary being President won't change much because lobbyists run this country, to include Israel. America has seen it's best days. There are no real leaders here.
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damn spy you kinda sound like Nolan.

you made more sense in that last post than anything I have ever read from you.

One big thing that really gets me about anti semites, is you always accuse Israel of running this country.

When in fact the truth is that Israel does not run this country, the Jewish people in this country run this country. Or at least they have a great deal of influence that we dont even understand.

The reason Israel is supported and given money is that its the motherland of American jewish people.
Its not differant than mexicans sending money back home. Its just on a bigger scale.

But the other side of it , is that they have worked hard to get where they are. And they do alot to make this country great. There are two sides to the story .
 

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Corporate globalization is not OK. We are already seeing corporate fascism in America, and that is bad enough. America doesn't rule the world. There are geographical boundaries for a purpose: so that every country can govern their own people and maintain their own resources. We have absolutely NO right to Iraq's oil, much less to use Saddam as a means to this end and kill thousands of innocent people in the meantime. Give me a break. Scott, you can't possibly think that BLOOD FOR OIL is a righteous act by the U.S.?

Sure, we do need oil. Our society as we know it would fall apart without it. But perhaps we should pursue alternative energy sources, instead of killing people for oil. I have said it numerous times on this forum, but right after Bush was re-elected for his second term, he cut renewable energy research by nearly 70%. I know because I work directly with government grants. Considering the impending struggle we are going to have when the oil runs out, this is completely unacceptable.

Unfortunately, patterns of domination and violence are deeply imbedded in our culture, and we often use these means to solve problems instead of seeking out creative peaceful solutions. This current administration is deadset on maintaining our systems of domination: military, police, and other symbols of power.

The oil is going to run out one way or another, no matter how many people we kill to get it. This invasion of the middle-east is a short-term solution that comes at the expense of bloodshed and long-term negative international relations. Our assumed rights to this oil and our pursuit to get it has completely undermined the responsiblity and values that we should have as one of the most powerful countries in the world.

 

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damn spy you kinda sound like Nolan.

you made more sense in that last post than anything I have ever read from you.

One big thing that really gets me about anti semites, is you always accuse Israel of running this country.

When in fact the truth is that Israel does not run this country, the Jewish people in this country run this country. Or at least they have a great deal of influence that we dont even understand.

The reason Israel is supported and given money is that its the motherland of American jewish people.
Its not differant than mexicans sending money back home. Its just on a bigger scale.

But the other side of it , is that they have worked hard to get where they are. And they do alot to make this country great. There are two sides to the story .

Jewish people in this country buy off our government on behalf of Israel. I don't care about Israel, Israel is not a state of the United States. Does Israel produce anything? Part of the reason that Bush is in Iraq is because of Israel, doing their dirty work. Bush is now talking about Iran, how Iran wants to destroy Israel, so what? The war in Iraq is destroying American families.


Sharon's advisor: Urges US to accelerate aggression on Iraq, says postponement bad for Israel
Occupied Jerusalem: 18 January, 2003 (IAP News)

A former Israeli ambassador to Washington who is now advisor to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has urged the Israeli government to step up pressure on the Bush Administration to accelerate the war on Iraq.

Zalman Shuval said in an article in the Hebrew newspaper Yedeot Ahranot, published Thursday 16 January, that Israel should make behind-the-scene efforts to get the American administration to attack Iraq "sooner rather than later."

Shuval argued that postponing or delaying the war, let alone cancelling it, would have "very negative consequences" on Israel.

He suggested that in case the United States doesn't launch the war on Iraq in the near future, opposition to the war will gather momentum and the US will come under pressure to pressurize Israel.
 

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You could say the same thing about China, remember they had that Air Force plane and it's crew, why didn't Bush go in there and take care of China's rotten government, isn't China a bigger threat to our economy? You know why not, 1 they got the bomb and 2 they own us. China can pull the plug on our economy anytime it wants to.
That crazy bastard Saddam was our crazy bastard, the US made him, trained him, supposed him, gave him weapons, as long as him killed in the name of the US he was all right, this is how the US does business. Any thug in power that sees things the way the US does is a ally. So how about Iran? Think it's ok to go in there, and do you think you're be or any of your children enlisting to join the "fight for freedom"?

no,china`s not a bigger threat to our economy....what happens to china`s economy if we go under?....it`s a symbiotic relationship.....


and china hasn`t threatened the only democracy in that shithole you call home(the middle east)that would be nothing more than a sand dune if it weren`t sitting on enormous oil reserves,btw....

wtf have they given the modern world,other than misery?..a pair of socks?.....that`s right, the promise to turn back the clock to the dark ages....


the dreaded israel...thriving...democratic....while it`s neighbors underachieve....and live in squalor...

can`t have that,can we?....

".Any thug in power that sees things the way the US does is a ally".....of course...it`s called self interest,...

if iran`s moronic leader were smart enough to keep his mouth shut about wiping israel off the map....use that empty gourd on his shoulders instead of trying to be the next nebuchadnezzar,he might have been able to make his bomb while all the fuss over iraq was taking place.....

then he could destroy israel and use the weapon as a hedge to control the straits of hormuz,and actually BE the big shit he yearns to be instead of just making noise....

he was right,as was saddam,when he counted on europe sleeping through it all like they did with hitler......i`ll give him credit for that....but,that`s what europe does....

but europe isn`t his problem...he didn`t learn from saddam...so,not knowing squat from squat won`t stop him from touching the third rail with a solid copper ladder....like saddam did....
 

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One thing you should think about when it comes down to China or us, China can sink our economy. If the US disappeared from the face of the earth tomorrow, you know what? The world will go on. China goes on. China makes everything, what does America make? Why do you think the US owes China so much, more than any one nation owes another. I listen to Lynn Samuels, one caller, who was jewish and so is Lynn, told Lynn that she should support Israel, Lynn told her I'am an American if you love Israel so much go live there, the caller said no. Lynn asked her if there was a situation where it was bad for the US but good for Israel would that be good, and the caller said yes. Israel is a bastard child, the US should cut them loose.
 

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One thing you should think about when it comes down to China or us, China can sink our economy. If the US disappeared from the face of the earth tomorrow, you know what? The world will go on. China goes on. China makes everything, what does America make? Why do you think the US owes China so much, more than any one nation owes another. I listen to Lynn Samuels, one caller, who was jewish and so is Lynn, told Lynn that she should support Israel, Lynn told her I'am an American if you love Israel so much go live there, the caller said no. Lynn asked her if there was a situation where it was bad for the US but good for Israel would that be good, and the caller said yes. Israel is a bastard child, the US should cut them loose.

Spy, I am an evil liberal, but I love America, and I have hope and I pray that America will get back to what it is, a freedom loving, **** you to the King, free market no creed no color love fest. There once was a dream called Rome. We have attatched ourselves to the Jews because of some idiotic religious nonsense, and we have an evil embicile as a president. But are you an American, or just a moronic jihad douche who hates what is best and right in this great land of ours?
 
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