WHO WOULD YOU TO SEE AS OUR NEXT PRESIDENT
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Interesting that Obama's biggest seeming drawback is his lack of experience as a 3-term Senator, and you don't hear much about that with Rudy, who was a Governor for just 7 years. Not saying the knock on Obama is without merit...just saying.
chad....
rudy is perhaps the most qualified candidate running for office.
rudy was never governor....he was mayor of nyc, whose budget is probably larger than most states.
of all of the candidates who are running so far, rudy is the only one who has dealt with a major catastrophy (9/11)....& by all accounts he did very well. also under his time in office he is credited with cleaning up the city if it's crime. now it's impossible to rid a city like ny of crime completely, but he made many areas of the city (ie...times square) safe & walkable again. also before he became mayor, he was a federal prosecuter in the southern district of ny (which covers nyc) & helped weaken organized crime.
my only question about rudy is his stance on immigration.....which i will eventually look into....
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Al, you may as well give up on the immigration issue. Very little will be done on that front by anyone. If a major candidate says they will take a hard line, they are lying. If I were you, I'd start looking at ways to benefit from the influx. Buy stock in Univision or something. Our population will continue to grow, and most of that comes from Latin America. Whatever forces that allow this to continue are bigger than any candidate. Best to just accept it and move forward. It's really no different than the Irish and Italians 100-150 years ago. Doesn't matter what seems right or wrong, it just is what it is.
So, that out of the way - I guess Gulianni is OK.
So, that out of the way - I guess Gulianni is OK.
i don't mind people coming into this country...if it's done legally...& there is some kind of control.but it's pure chaos on the southern border & for anybody to deny it is not really paying attention.
Sorry, AR, I meant Mayor, not Governor. My bad. However, I would submit that there are a lot of people that are very critical of Rudy, pre-9/11. I really have no opinion of the man yet...just saying the experience thing for one/the other.
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you mean they actually lie to us to get in office ?:shrug:
I am beginning to think smurph is against freedom.
Yes, what you say is true. But nothing significantly will be done. I used to be outraged like you, but I did a little research and came to the conclusion that nothing will be done for at least another 100 million people. We are addicted to population growth and cheap labor - Our own citizens provide neither - so we happily allow both problems to be solved from accross an unguarded border.
How many kids to you have? Yeah, same here. You see, we aren't doing are part.
It's expensive for the government and business to arrange for a large-scale legal solution. So, they just let them come here and work. But don't worry - their kids will learn English and eventually become just as snobby as the rest of us. This is the same process that has been going on in this country ...forever.
We will continue to be this way until we reach about 700 million people - then we'll get kinda stagnant like Europe.
Chad,
Obama has been a US senator for only 2+ years. That's where all the sharks are circling. Not sure what you're talking about with the 3-term senator comment. State level, yes, but few consider that applicable when running for President.
However, just look at all the 'experience' that this admin has. Tons, seriously. And look what we have.
I submit that these people harping on 'experience', yet don't recognize the total clusterfu*k that we currently have with the experienced crew, are being intellectually dishonest.
If this crap is what we get with experienced politicians, let's try something else.
i agree there are/were many who didn't like rudy as mayor....but remeber rudy is a republican & nyc is/was a very liberal democratic city.those who were critical of him didn't vote for him & didn't like the fact that he ousted a very decent man (democrat david dinkins), who was a very weak mayor....those people wouldn't vote for him anyway.
i tend to agree with you that nothing will be done...but i don't want to have the same kind state taxes & state gov't. that california has....& that will happen if the immigration problem is not brought under some type of control.
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i think experience is now more important than ever for the presidency.and i do agree with you about how disappointing the experienced bush administration is handling iraq.
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Yes, I was referring to all of his senatorial experience, and it may be worth completely dismissing. I think I would like more experience in a President, and that probably will be a big factor in my decision.
I think there are probably a lot of business leaders and military leaders that would make better presidents than politicians, but that is an argument for another thread. I think it is important for a President to be considered to be connected and intelligent for a lot of reasons. I think Obama's lack of connections - despite how much I hate what connections can mean - is a deterrent to getting someone elected that best reflects my views. I also think that Rudy probably stands for a few things I believe in, too. But it will take a heckuva mismatch in candidates before I would consider a Republican in this next election for President. Not saying it can't happen, but I don't imagine it will from the current crop of frontrunners. Will look more at Rudy, and have actually liked some of the stances that McCain has taken, too.
I think there are probably a lot of business leaders and military leaders that would make better presidents than politicians, but that is an argument for another thread. I think it is important for a President to be considered to be connected and intelligent for a lot of reasons. I think Obama's lack of connections - despite how much I hate what connections can mean - is a deterrent to getting someone elected that best reflects my views. I also think that Rudy probably stands for a few things I believe in, too. But it will take a heckuva mismatch in candidates before I would consider a Republican in this next election for President. Not saying it can't happen, but I don't imagine it will from the current crop of frontrunners. Will look more at Rudy, and have actually liked some of the stances that McCain has taken, too.
Al,
After this debacle, I guess I just can't put 'experience' as any sort of pre-requisite.
Trump. I don't like the man but i think if he wanted to he would be terrific. Could see him now sending a ten team negotiating team over to the middle East to try and straighten that crap up. Could see him investing in the people of this country for a change instead of a selct few. The only problem i could see is him being bated into a sneaky deal which benefits him tremendously and gets caught. If he got elected we would immediately get some respect worldwide instead of being the laughingstock of the world.
2ND Elliot Spritzer a balls to the wall type of guy. Someday he will get a shot but i guess its to early.
Experience LMFAO. Ill take a guy without any but has some negotiation and business skills. This guy will hire the best people and not a bunch of cronies.
2ND Elliot Spritzer a balls to the wall type of guy. Someday he will get a shot but i guess its to early.
Experience LMFAO. Ill take a guy without any but has some negotiation and business skills. This guy will hire the best people and not a bunch of cronies.
