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Believe the only bill on Pelosi or Reids 1st 100 day promise to pass is minimum wage--why?

They have been doing what they do best--not passing bills but spending time whining--

Thought this quite revealing---

BAIER: And by the numbers. By the administration's count, the Democrat-led Congress has launched more than 300 executive branch investigations, made more than 400 requests for documents, interviews or testimony, held more than 600 oversight hearings, and the administering has provided 430,000 pages.

Snow, then put the new video screens in the revamped briefing room to use.

SNOW: If you took those 430,000 pages and stacked them on top of each other, they would reach a height twice that of the executive mansion itself.
 

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Believe the only bill on Pelosi or Reids 1st 100 day promise to pass is minimum wage--why?

They have been doing what they do best--not passing bills but spending time whining--

Thought this quite revealing---

BAIER: And by the numbers. By the administration's count, the Democrat-led Congress has launched more than 300 executive branch investigations, made more than 400 requests for documents, interviews or testimony, held more than 600 oversight hearings, and the administering has provided 430,000 pages.

Snow, then put the new video screens in the revamped briefing room to use.

SNOW: If you took those 430,000 pages and stacked them on top of each other, they would reach a height twice that of the executive mansion itself.

Dogs, if you think the public is pissed off at the congress because of Pelosi, you're missing the point. The public is pissed off that congress can't get any constructive bills passed as the republican members have enough numbers to effectively block anything that's submitted. If you didn't like the outcome of how the Republicans were voted out in 2006, you're certainly not going to like how they're going to be thrown out in 2008. It's going to be a slaughter. Book it!
 

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Dogs, if you think the public is pissed off at the congress because of Pelosi, you're missing the point. The public is pissed off that congress can't get any constructive bills passed as the republican members have enough numbers to effectively block anything that's submitted. If you didn't like the outcome of how the Republicans were voted out in 2006, you're certainly not going to like how they're going to be thrown out in 2008. It's going to be a slaughter. Book it!

Did you ever hear of congress an these poll ratings before? I think this was started about a year ago, bringing up this silly stuff.
This is the new spin to make a pathetic president not look as pathetic as he is and this dope that started this thread falls for this type of stuff over and over again. Of course he also can't figure out that the anti american worker party he so proudly represents is blocking every thing and anything under the sun. Auspice it would be nice to see these pigs get wiped out and have a 65 35 difference but i still think this con man Gulliani is gonna win the presidency. He has all the stuff you need. He lies thru his teeth and he will play the fear card all the way until the last day. That is about all you need to fool a very naive country.
 

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A couple of opinions...

I am not satisfied with what has been accomplished thus far, I do have some blame to give the democrats and the leadership there. There is a majority, albeit small, but tougher stands could be taken in a mid-term year.

I do think the right has done its best to stonewall, and prohibit progress, which has limited effectiveness. This is no surprise, and doesn't have much bearing on dem performance, IMO. That's politics.

I don't put much stock in low ranking of congress, etc. Nearly half are republicans, so that's hardly an indictment on dems. I think the people polled are just tired and have a lot of negative blame to go around. Low ranking of the administration and the pres and vp are more accurate and representative - as they have had six years to gain a ranking. Cheney's speaks volumes as Joe Public probably assumes he makes many decisions and runs the show from behind the curtain, and tells you more than a congressional ranking.

As for the investigations, speaking as a left leaner that still wants things to get done, I am happy they are attacking this administration on many fronts. I am honestly offended as a voter and U.S. citizen by what this administration has done, and would love to see explanations and a bright line shining in the cockroach room. In many ways, considering what these people have done - unlike any before them - they deserve what they are getting. It's appropriate activity in a lot of ways, for the dems to stand up against them. If this administration lived in the real world and followed accepted laws, the constitution, and actually wanted to work with anyone, then there would not be the issues to examine now.
 

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it's very simple why congress has low ratings...they're always bickering,trying to show the other side up & blaming each other for failing to get anything done. and they don't take into consideration what's best for the amercian people.

that's both sides !!
 
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Perhaps this side of the story can balance Wayne's "fair & balanced" assessment of dems performance thus far. I do find it interesting that now that they are the minority they promote the use of filibustering, block votes, and resist up or down votes on any issue other than their own. Of course these were WIDELY promoted as being political and not in the best interest of the country when the dems were doing it - a talking point for Wayne and others for a long time - and now they are just being pragmatic? It all comes back around to bite you in the butt, doesn't it? Can't wait 'til Hillary shuts her door and uses signing statements to her best discretion in the coming years...assuming that will be ok with Wayne and others... :142smilie
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Democrats Highlight Accomplishments In Face Of Republican Obstructionism

Washington, DC?Senators Charles Schumer and Debbie Stabenow and House Democratic Caucus Chair Rahm Emanuel today discussed Democrats? achievements since assuming the majority six months ago. Even with Republicans stalling progress at every turn, this Democratic Congress is delivering on our promises to move America forward.

Senate Democrats have made great progress in addressing America?s priorities and tackling problems this Administration and past Republican Congresses have ignored. Both houses of Congress have passed energy legislation that strengthens our economy and national security, the 9/11 Commission recommendations, and tough ethics and lobbying reform. We also raised the minimum wage and balanced the budget.

Unfortunately, Republicans have attempted to obstruct our progress us at every turn. Senate Republicans are forcing the Senate to waste hours upon hours debating meaningless motions ? wasting Congress?s time and the American people?s time. The American people are counting on Republican Senators to help us lead the way, not stand in the way. Schumer, Stabenow and Emanuel also unveiled a Web video today highlighting Republican obstructionism over the past six months: http://democrats.senate.gov/journal/entry.cfm?id=277868&.

?Once known as the Grand Ole Party, today the Republican Party can more aptly be described that the ?Grand Obstructionist Party,?? Schumer said. ?Perhaps they see progress in a new Congress as defeat for them rather than a win for the American people. Whatever the reason, they need to know that by their obstructionism, they?re not hurting Democrats, they?re slighting the American people.?

Said Stabenow: ?The Rubber Stamp Republicans have turned into the Road Block Republicans, and the American people deserve better. The new Democratic majority is making real progress on issues that matter to Americans, like homeland security, health care and the war in Iraq. Last year Americans stood up and demanded a new direction for our country and the Republicans have answered that call with a blind eye, a deaf ear and road block after road block.?

?On the very day that Jack Abramoff?s sidekick Stephen Griles was being sentenced to a jail term, Senate Republicans blocked landmark lobbying reform legislation from getting to the President?s desk. Old habits must die hard,? Emanuel said. ?Yesterday's court appearance served as a stark reminder of the Abramoff lobbying scandal, the control the special interests had over the Republican Congress, and the need for real lobbying reform. The American people aren?t surprised by the acts of Senate Republicans, but they are disappointed.?

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SENATE REPUBLICANS:
THE ?GRAND OBSTRUCTIONIST PARTY?

While Senate Democrats are determined to move America in a new direction, Senate Republicans are doing their best to stop change at every turn. Senate Republicans are forcing the Senate to waste hours upon hours debating meaningless motions ? wasting Congress? time and the American people?s time. Senate Democrats are trying to lead the way ? but Senate Republicans are determined to stand in the way.

?The strategy of being obstructionist can work or fail?and so far it's working for us.?
- Republican Whip Senator Trent Lott (Roll Call, 4/18/07)

FACTS ON REPUBLICAN OBSTRUCTIONISM



Senate Republicans have obstructed almost every bill in the Senate ? even ones with wide bipartisan support.
So far, in the first half of the first session of the 110th Congress, there have been THIRTEEN cloture votes on motions to proceed ? each one wasting days of Senate time. (110th Congress, Roll Call Votes #44, 51, 53, 74, 129, 132, 133, 162, 173, 207, 208, 227, and 228)
In comparison, in the first sessions of the 108th and 109th Congresses combined, there were a total of FOUR cloture votes on motions to proceed.
EIGHT times Republican obstruction tactics slowed critical legislation

Fulfilling the 9/11 Commission Recommendations (Passed 97-0, Roll Call Vote #53)
Improving security at our courts (Passed 93-3, Roll Call Vote #133)
Water Resources Development Act (Passed 89-7, Roll Call Vote #162)
A joint resolution to revise U.S. policy in Iraq (Passed 89-9, Roll Call Vote, #74)
Comprehensive Immigration Reform (Passed 69-23, Roll Call Vote #173)
Comprehensive Immigration Reform (Passed 64-35, Roll Call Vote #228)
CLEAN Energy Act (Passed 91-0, Roll Call Vote #208)
Funding for the Intelligence Community (Passed 94-3, Roll Call Vote #129)
FOUR times Republicans blocked legislation from being debated

Senate Republicans blocked raising the minimum wage. (54-43, Roll Call Vote #23)
Senate Republicans blocked ethics reforms (Rejected 51-46, Roll Call Vote #16)
Senate Republicans blocked comprehensive immigration reform (Rejected 45-50, Roll Call Vote #206)
Senate Republicans blocked funding for renewable energy (Rejected 57-36, Roll Call Vote #223)
FOUR times Republicans stopped bills from reaching a vote

Senate Republicans blocked funding for the intelligence community. (Rejected 41-40, Roll Call Vote #130)
Senate Republicans blocked raising the minimum wage. (54-43, Roll Call Vote #23)
Senate Republicans blocked ethics reforms (Rejected 51-46, Roll Call Vote #16)
Senate Republicans blocked funding for renewable energy (Rejected 57-36, Roll Call Vote #223)
TWICE Republicans blocked bills from going to conference

Senate Republicans blocked appointing conferees on the 9/11 Commission Recommendations (6/26/07)
Senate Republicans blocked appointing conferees on ethics reform (6/26/07)


THE EFFECTS OF OBSTRUCTIONISM

Senate Republicans blocked funding for the intelligence community? ?For the second day in a row, Senate Republicans Tuesday blocked a Democratic attempt to limit debate on the FY07 intelligence authorization bill and open the way for its approval. The vote on the cloture motion was 50-45. Sixty votes were needed for approval. Only two Republicans, Sens. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., and Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, supported the motion. Before the vote, Intelligence Chairman Rockefeller called on Republicans to ?put politics aside? and vote for cloture?Earlier in the day, the Senate accepted several amendments proposed by Rockefeller to address objections by the White House last week when it threatened to veto the legislation.? (National Journal Congress Daily, 4/18/07)

?denying our country the tools to fight the war on terror. This bill would have provided funding for the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) and the U.S. government?s 15 intelligence agencies and entities, including the CIA, FBI and NSA. It would have provided funds for combating terrorism, enhancing our intelligence-collection capabilities, and strengthening intelligence oversight. (DPC Report)

Senate Republicans blocked a vote on reforming the Medicare Prescription Drug plan??Senate Republicans yesterday blocked a bill that would permit the federal government to negotiate lower drug prices for Medicare beneficiaries, a measure backed by Massachusetts Senator Edward M. Kennedy and other Democrats. The 55-42 vote was five short of what Democrats needed to end debate and begin voting. While Democrats hold majorities in the US House and Senate, yesterday's procedural move by Republicans could indicate rough waters for other proposals that affect pharmaceutical and biotechnology companies, including legislation to permit generic versions of biologic drugs.? (Boston Globe, 4/19/07)

...and denied seniors lower prescription drug prices. S. 3, would have repealed the current-law prohibition on Medicare?s using the bargaining power of its 43 million beneficiaries to negotiate lower prescription drug prices. S.3 would also make Medicare drug plans more accountable and improve the level of information available to seniors about prescription drugs. In blocking S. 3 from even being debated, Senate Republicans have resorted to obstructionism in an effort to protect the drug industry at the expense of our seniors. (DPC Report)

Senate Republicans blocked raising the minimum wage? ?Senate Republicans rejected an effort by Democrats to pass minimum-wage legislation without breaks for small businesses on Wednesday, setting the stage for a potential impasse with the House, where lawmakers are demanding a ?clean? bill. The Senate vote of 54 to 43 was six votes short of the 60 needed to move ahead with a wage measure that does not include tax benefits for employers. Earlier this month, the Senate Finance Committee voted to add $8.3 billion in tax breaks to the bill.? (New York Times, 1/25/07)

?delaying a much needed raise for hard-working Americans. H.R. 2 would have raised the minimum wage for the first time in ten years to $7.25. Senate Republicans preferred to have hard-working Americans continue to wait. (DPC Report)

Senate Republicans are blocking the appointment of conferees on the 9/11 Commission Recommendations? ?In blocking the appointment of conferees for the bill, Senate Republicans are leaving open/delaying implementation of reforms and initiatives that will fill/ dangerous gaps in our homeland security and enable us to more effectively guard against and mitigate terrorist threats.? (DPC Report)

?leaving the United States vulnerable to terrorist threats. ?The Senate passed legislation yesterday on a 60-38 vote to implement recommendations of the September 11 commission, despite the threat of a presidential veto over a provision to allow airport screeners to unionize. The measure calls for cargo on passenger planes to be screened as carefully as luggage, guarantees each state its share of $3.1 billion in annual security funding for the next three years, with $1.3 billion allocated for high-risk urban areas, and creates an emergency-communications grant program.? (Washington Times, 3/14/07)

Senate Republicans are blocking the appointment of conferees on ethics reform? ?Despite voting overwhelmingly for the ethics bill when the measure was on the floor today, Senate Republicans blocked the appointment of conferees to the bill and in so doing stopped the legislation dead in its tracks and further delayed the effort to clean-up politics in Washington.? (DPC Report)

?halting progress on the ?most significant ethics reform since Watergate.? ?The Senate legislation, hailed by proponents as the most significant ethics reform since Watergate, would ban gifts, meals and travel funded by lobbyists, and would force lawmakers to attach their names to special-interest provisions and pet projects that they slip into bills. Lawmakers would have to pay charter rates on corporate jets, not the far-cheaper first-class rates they pay now.? (Washington Post, 1/19/07)

Senate Republicans are blocking a bill to bring transparency to campaign fundraising??The search continues for the mysterious Republican senator or senators who have blocked legislation that would require senators to file campaign disclosure forms electronically?Feinstein added that if the senators do not want to be identified, she would like McConnell to show her the proposed amendments. If they have bipartisan support, Feinstein said, she might be able to change the bill accordingly. (The Washington Post, 05/09/07)

?denying the American people the right to know who funds Senate campaigns. ?The bill would end the Senate practice by which senators and Senate candidates file their campaign disclosure reports on paper, which then requires the Federal Election Commission to have them input electronically, delaying their release. House members and party campaign committees have filed electronically for years. Feinstein has sought to pass the bill by unanimous consent, which would not allow for debate or amendments. Senate rules allow any senator anonymously to block such passage.? (Washington Post, 5/9/07)

Senate Republicans blocked a vote on holding Attorney General Gonzales accountable? ?Senate Republicans blocked a vote of no confidence in Attorney General Alberto Gonzales on Monday, dashing Democratic hopes of embarrassing Gonzales and his boss, President George W. Bush, with a formal demand for his ouster.? (Reuters, 06/11/07)

?refusing to hold the Attorney General accountable. This resolution would have expressed Congress?s and the American people?s disappointment with the performance of Alberto Gonzales as the Attorney General of the United States. Recent questions have been raised about the Attorney General?s role in last year?s firing of eight U.S. Attorneys for alleged political reasons and about the forthrightness of his statements regarding those firings. Other serious concerns involve Mr. Gonzales?s role in 1) the misuse of National Security Letters by the Federal Bureau Investigation; 2) allowing the National Security Agency to violate the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act in conducting domestic warrant-less wiretapping; 3) politicizing the hiring of career attorneys in the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice; and 4) developing the legal framework for the use of torture and the creation of military commissions.

Senate Republicans blocked legislation to make forming unions easier? ?Senate Republicans have vowed to kill organized labor's top legislative priority of the year, and it looks like they'll soon get their chance. The measure, which would make it easier for workers to form unions, cleared the House earlier this year on a party-line vote. It's been awaiting action in the Senate since March, and Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., is circulating word that he'll seek passage before lawmakers begin their July 4 vacation.? (Associated Press, 06/15/07)

?siding with corporations against average American workers. The Employee Free Choice Act (EFCA), sponsored by Senate and House Democrats, would level the playing field and restore workers? freedom to form unions and collectively bargain by: 1) strengthening penalties for companies that coerce, intimidate, or retaliate against employees during an organizing campaign or during negotiations for a first contract; 2) establishing a timeline for negotiating a first contract that gets employers to the table, and gives the parties the option of mediation and binding arbitration when employers and workers cannot agree on a first contract; and 3) giving employees the choice of selecting a union via majority sign-up over an election. (DPC Report)

Senate Republicans delayed debate on Iraq for weeks? ?For weeks, Republican leaders have used procedural maneuvers to delay a debate over Iraq? (The New York Times, 03/27/07)

?and 480 soldiers have lost their lives since the President?s failed surge strategy began. (Department of Defense Casualty Reports)
 

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The Dems have done nothing to endear themselves to the American Public. The big blink on Iraq and letting Bush run all over them has been their downfall. They got voted in to stop this madman and his henchmen and so far they have caved in. I dunno what's going on with this country. I thought we were stong enough to survice Bush but now I don't know.
 

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The Dems have done nothing to endear themselves to the American Public. The big blink on Iraq and letting Bush run all over them has been their downfall. They got voted in to stop this madman and his henchmen and so far they have caved in. I dunno what's going on with this country. I thought we were stong enough to survice Bush but now I don't know.


Agree 100% They've put their party ahead of what the people's interests that voted them in. But they have met so much resistance from the right on any semblence of governing (ex. hell, they can't even agree on debating a fuking war that's been sucking the life out of our country now for 5 yrs.......just a debate for fuk's sake!) that meaningful change appears impossible.

The partisan political landscape isn't going to change. It's now a part of our fractured political culture IMO. Vote on the party and forget the man at this point, because he will vote his side of the isle on every major issue. Pathetically it's come down to that.....which party issues do you support, not which candidate is better.

Sponge, the republican party doesn't have a viable candidate to run in 2008, but I'm not real excited about any democratic candidate either. Hillary appears vunerable for many reasons. Obama is black, and Edwards doesn't have the money. Even if elected, I'm not confident of the type of change needed from any democratic candidate. It's probably too late now anyway, so why sweat it. Our bed has been made.
 
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Amen to AR182 and Stevie D. - brief but hard to disagree with either in this case. Unfortunately, this has been going on long before W. stepped into the picture. Little is ever accomplished for the main stream people without a lot of strings attached.
 

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As for the investigations, speaking as a left leaner that still wants things to get done, I am happy they are attacking this administration on many fronts. I am honestly offended as a voter and U.S. citizen by what this administration has done, and would love to see explanations and a bright line shining in the cockroach room. In many ways, considering what these people have done - unlike any before them - they deserve what they are getting. It's appropriate activity in a lot of ways, for the dems to stand up against them. If this administration lived in the real world and followed accepted laws, the constitution, and actually wanted to work with anyone, then there would not be the issues to examine now.
I absolutely agree with this assessment, Chad.
 

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Dogs, if you think the public is pissed off at the congress because of Pelosi, you're missing the point. The public is pissed off that congress can't get any constructive bills passed as the republican members have enough numbers to effectively block anything that's submitted. If you didn't like the outcome of how the Republicans were voted out in 2006, you're certainly not going to like how they're going to be thrown out in 2008. It's going to be a slaughter. Book it!

Maybe you could inform us what these constructive bills are??--thats what I thought.

Book it ??--there are plenty of odds out their maybe you'd like to show us your huge wager tickets on this sure thing--again thats what I thought--

You walk the walk or just talk the talk--

I put up all my polical wagers in 04 (5-0)
--somehow yours were missing??
You'll note bought half were on Kerry--

http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=154642
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=165020&highlight=Bush+WSEX

Have put up this years so far--Obama not to get dem nomination
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=290537

Now as far as your Book It--You have the opp to book it--maybe just not the confidence--or are you'll still recovering from 04 :)
 

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Maybe you could inform us what these constructive bills are??--thats what I thought.

Book it ??--there are plenty of odds out their maybe you'd like to show us your huge wager tickets on this sure thing--again thats what I thought--

You walk the walk or just talk the talk--I put up all my polical wagers in 04 (5-0)
--somehow yours were missing??
You'll note bought half were on Kerry--

http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=154642
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=165020&highlight=Bush+WSEX

Have put up this years so far--Obama not to get dem nomination
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=290537

Now as far as your Book It--You have the opp to book it--maybe just not the confidence--or are you'll still recovering from 04 :)

I've got ten dimes that say the Republican party loses seats in the 2008 elections. Kosar can hold the money. Sooooo.....you walk the walk or just talk the talk?
 
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I've got ten dimes that say the Republican party loses seats in the 2008 elections. Kosar can hold the money. Sooooo.....you walk the walk or just talk the talk?

Auspice, you are taking a side which you might be fighting harder for then them themselves. On paper you have a slam dunk but in the world of fear there isnt a low the republicans would not use to their advantage. When you have a nation of fools that fall for this crap over and over again i think i would save my money. Now if the Dems are gonna hire you as their Karl Rove i'll jump in on this bet with you. Unfortunately they still havent learned how to do this.
 
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Auspice you are taking a side which you might fight harder for them then them themselves. On paper you have a slam dunk but in the world of fear there isnt a low the republicans would not use to their advantage. When you have a nation of fools that fall for this crap over and over again i think i would save my money. Now if the Dems are gonna hire you as their Karl Rove i jump in this bet with you. Unfortunately they still havent learned how to do this.

They're dead meat at this point. It's all caught up to them and they're stewing in it. The Dems will win, but I'm not seeing this as a battle of good vs evil. The Dems have to take the stick out of their asses and get the job done rather than playing party politics like the Republicans have for the past 10 years. I ain't liking what I'm seeing of their act either at this point.
 

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They're dead meat at this point. It's all caught up to them and they're stewing in it. The Dems will win, but I'm not seeing this as a battle of good vs evil. The Dems have to take the stick out of their asses and get the job done rather than playing party politics like the Republicans have for the past 10 years. I ain't liking what I'm seeing of their act either at this point.

Could you imagine if we could just form a new party called the "party of balls"? Probably can get about 20 dems to join as well as maybe two or three republicans. If i ever become a billionaire i will work on this. Problem is that pigeons like DTB will start calling me George Soros junior. I will demand equal press and hire Chadman as my spokesman. Chadman is finally getting to the point where he is finally getting a little testy. Only the Bushy's can do that to a person.
 

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Hey Dogs, got a little question for you below. The piece below sort of highlights what I was saying about partisan politics.

GOP Congress blocked Clinton push for anti-terror legislation
by John Aravosis (DC) ? 9/04/2006 11:10:00 AM ET
Discuss this post here: Comments (131) ? digg it ? reddit ? FARK ? ? Link


CNN, July 30, 1996
Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, emerged from the meeting and said, "These are very controversial provisions that the [Clinton] White House wants. Some they're not going to get." ....[Hatch] also said he had some problems with the president's proposals to expand wiretapping.
So Bill Clinton, rather than just breaking the law as Bush did (then again, perhaps this is why Bush broke the law - he knew from history that the Republicans controlling the congress would oppose his efforts to expand wiretapping), decided to go to the Republican congress in 1996 and ask them for increased authority to do more eavesdropping in order to stop the terrorists - stop September 11. Senior Republican Senator Orrin Hatch, one of the GOP's top picks for the Supreme Court and a GOP committee chair, objected.

The Republicans stopped President Clinton from getting all the tools he needed to stop the next September 11 - well, no, actually they opposed giving President Clinton all the tools he needed to stop the actual September 11. Could September 11 have been stopped if the GOP had given President Clinton the tools he requested to stop Osama and Mohammad Atta from killing 3,000 people in New York, Pennsylvania and Washington?

Maybe we need to ask the Republicans up for re-election why they wanted to appease the terrorists?
President Clinton urged Congress Tuesday to act swiftly in developing anti-terrorism legislation before its August recess.

"We need to keep this country together right now. We need to focus on this terrorism issue," Clinton said during a White House news conference.

But while the president pushed for quick legislation, Republican lawmakers hardened their stance against some of the proposed anti-terrorism measures.
There's even an audio clip of President Clinton practically begging the Republicans to give him the tools he needed to stop Osama and the terrorists. Trent Lott said no. Orrin Hatch said no. Do these men really deserve to run the Congress during a time of war?

well Dogs, do they? Wouldn't it be better to have politicans commited to a stewartship of the american people rather than playing party politics? Why should we be listening to anything these political hags have to say now after all they've been completely wrong about? Why no accountablity?
 
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I've got ten dimes that say the Republican party loses seats in the 2008 elections. Kosar can hold the money. Sooooo.....you walk the walk or just talk the talk?

1st on your wager
Rarily wager over $100 on any bet--and would not be fool hardy enough to wager the $100 year and half from election when know one even knows who candidates are. Not an emotional driven better myself--
Now if you do and really want to make that wager as such for that amount--I'll see if I can locate book taking props--and you can show us your ticket--

---on your
"The Republicans stopped President Clinton from getting all the tools he needed to stop the next September 11 - well, no, actually they opposed giving President Clinton all the tools he needed to stop the actual September 11. Could September 11 have been stopped if the GOP had given President Clinton the tools he requested to stop Osama and Mohammad Atta from killing 3,000 people in New York, Pennsylvania and Washington?"

Did they make him retreat from Somlolia and leave troops to be drug and set on fire in the street-

Did Rebs force him to give UBL get out jail free card--

Did they force him to not do squat 1st time trade towers were attacked

Somehow I believe he had the same executive priviledge GW has and had authority to do something with out Rebs approval- if his preoccupation of shoving cigars up interns didn't trumped national security--as his legacy would dictate.:)
 
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