Again to get it thru your thick head. Clinton didn't replace any his second term. This is where the problem lies. Bush felt a need to get rid of eight who were not palying nicey nice with there corrupt bullshit. Try to realize these rotten pricks you blow are as corrupt as it gets. That is why there are so many hearings. If the dems really had some balls there would be twice as many hearings and these two pigs would have been impeach by now along with the rest of this anti american worker collection of thieves.
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Again to get it thru your thick head. Clinton didn't replace any his second term. This is where the problem lies. Bush felt a need to get rid of eight who were not palying nicey nice with there corrupt bullshit. Try to realize these rotten pricks you blow are as corrupt as it gets. That is why there are so many hearings. If the dems really had some balls there would be twice as many hearings and these two pigs would have been impeach by now along with the rest of this anti american worker collection of thieves.
IT SIMPLY IS NOT TRUE. The "administration" is using very creative math here. As DJV points out - it's not even mathematically possible to have held 600 hearings since they took office. I know you will blindly believe anything the "administration" says, but all you have to do is use your brain to see that some thaings simply don't ad up.
Smurph I put up the #'s and who gave the #'s in press interview
You can put up any Dems that dispute them.
Haven't seen any yet myself?
Don't know if they are correct or not--I do know a week hasn't went by that they are not on some agenda vs admin--but having hard time seeing anything on issues.
Can you inform us of Dems stance on curbing immigration--how about stabalizing SNN and medicare funding?
You can put up any Dems that dispute them.
Haven't seen any yet myself?
Don't know if they are correct or not--I do know a week hasn't went by that they are not on some agenda vs admin--but having hard time seeing anything on issues.
Can you inform us of Dems stance on curbing immigration--how about stabalizing SNN and medicare funding?
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Why should anybody answer you on these points? I've gone after these more than once in this forum and proven the differences. I've shown EXACTLY how the GOP is responsible for the above. I've shown - clearly - the differences in the firing of justices, and why one is worthy of closer looks and obstructing justice, and the other is not.
What IS in fact bull shit, is how you continue to try to gloss over those situations and facts, and try to compare them to Clinton (as always), when there is no real comparison. Comparing these things eternally just shows a deflection from the situation at hand - and that's really the only defense here.
Dogs, since you're so fond of the Daily Kos, I thought you might like todays tidbit re 'projected' 2008 congressional races.
The latest Democracy Corps poll finds that:
In the battleground of the 70 most competitive congressional districts (35 Democratic and 35 Republican-held), the Democratic incumbents, including the big class of freshmen, have quickly moved into dramatic leads in the named congressional ballot (52% to 40%.)
In the 35 Republican battleground districts, the named Republicans trail their generic Democratic opponent by 5 points, 49% to 44%.
In a poll across seven Republican-held U.S. Senate seats, the named U.S. Senators had a vote to re-elect of only 37% and were garnering only 44% of the vote against a generic challenger.
The overall image of the Democratic Party has fallen back from the honeymoon post-election period to essentially where it stood for the whole 2006 election period -- and that has been stable since April. On the other hand, the Republicans have weakened in the current period since April to their lowest thermometer score in the past half century.
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One point I will readily concede, the 'poll' didn't mention squat about Democratic Senators and their respective 'vote to elect' percentage and their 'garnering' percentage against a generic challenger. Wish they'd have enclosed that info.
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Kos Democracy Corps Poll was all I need to read--
thank you
your self proclaimed public profile is showing
thank you
your self proclaimed public profile is showing
Kos Democracy Corps Poll was all I need to read--
thank you
your self proclaimed public profile is showing
Doesn't pay to bury your head in the sand. I read right wing sites as well. They however, havent yet put up a projection on their perceived status in the upcoming 2008 congressional elections (or at leasst the couple I frequent). But if you completely think the Daily Kos is such a SOS, I"m sure I can find someone to take a bet re 'lost seats' in the 2008 race....since you're a 'walk the walk' kinda guy. Heck, you might be able to book the entire forum here.
and this today from Dogs' favorite site (kos) about Gulliani and his ties to the Fox opinion network.
The Fox News Candidate
by Devilstower
Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 07:39:21 AM PDT
If you were running for the Republican presidential nomination, whose support would be worth the equivalent of many millions in campaign dollars? Newt? Nah. Bush? Ha. Try Roger Ailes, the head of Fox News and former media adviser to Richard Nixon.
Mr. Ailes was the media consultant to Mr. Giuliani?s first mayoral campaign in 1989. Mr. Giuliani, as mayor, officiated at Mr. Ailes?s wedding and intervened on his behalf when Mr. Ailes?s company, Fox News Channel, was blocked from securing a cable station in the city.
This year, they were tablemates at the White House correspondents dinner, which Mr. Giuliani attended as a guest of Fox?s parent company, the News Corporation.
The festival of back-scratching continues with Giuliani's presidential campaign. Despite Fox claims of impartiality, Giuliani has certainly been getting his turn as the scratchee.
So far this year, one political journal found, Mr. Giuliani has logged more time on Fox interview programs than any other candidate. Most of the time has been spent with Sean Hannity, an acknowledged admirer of the former mayor, according to the data compiled by the journal, known as The Hotline.
Should Rudy ever get the opportunity, I'm sure Roger -- and Rupert -- have a few ideas about how he might pay them back for their favoritism.
With all the rope that Ailes is tossing Giuliani, the wonder is not that the Democratic presidential candidates won't conduct a debate on Fox, the wonder is that the Republican candidates will agree to debate on a network that already has it's champion.
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Read this one Auspice. When you have a country filled with naive people they will want a guy just like them. Kerry was to prissy but you could have a beer with George Bush. That is what people want. To sit down and have a beer with someone as dumb as them. A guy who would have a beer with them only there fairy tale imagination. A guy who owns the biggest silver spoon in the world. that was the real Bush who they thought was one of them. I rather have a smart guy in there and to hell with the beer. Now we are gonna get this because like i said he has all the tools to fool the gullible. Now this is from a Reagan guy.
The Criminal Career of Rudy Giuliani
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Republican magazines have begun their pimp operations for the GOP?s 2008 presidential candidates.
In a recent issue of National Review, Jennifer Rubin, described as "a freelance writer in Washington, D.C.," pumps up Rudolph Giuliani as "America?s mayor" and "America?s prosecutor."
Giuliani is a media creation. Giuliani was unknown until in search of name recognition he staged a stormtrooper assault on the financial firm Princeton/Newport involving fifty federal marshals outfitted with automatic weapons and bulletproof vests. On another occasion he had two New York investment bankers hauled off their trading floor in handcuffs.
Giuliani?s victims had done nothing and were exonerated. But Giuliani?s media stunts served to turn public sentiment against white-collar defendants.
Giuliani once bragged that by giving negative treatment to his targets, "the media does the job for me." Giuliani certainly had no difficulty manipulating Wall Street Journal reporters James B. Stewart, Daniel Hertzberg and Laurie Cohen or The Predators? Ball author Connie Bruck. Milken, who had done nothing except make a lot of money by proving Wall Street wrong about non-investment grade bonds, was branded the "Cosa Nostra of the securities world."
Milken?s "junk bonds" financed such household names as CNN, Barnes & Noble, Stone Container Corporation, Time-Warner, Safeway, and Mattel. Milken provided capital to companies with promising futures that lacked investment-grade credit rankings. Milken operated out of Los Angeles, not Wall Street. His earnings and those of his upstart firm, Drexel Burnham Lambert, aroused envy and hatred among the Wall Street hot shots. Milken failed to use his money to purchase political protection in Washington. Instead, he gave his money to organizations that help poor black children.
Milken was set up perfectly for an ambitious and unscrupulous prosecutor like Giuliani.
Giuliani leaked to his media pimps that a 98-count indictment was coming down against Milken. As Milken had done nothing and Giuliani had no case against him, Giuliani?s strategy was to coerce Milken into a plea bargain. When Milken failed to send his attorneys to work out a plea arrangement, Giuliani used Laurie Cohen to report eighteen times in the Wall Street Journal that Milken would imminently face an expanded superseding indictment of between 160 and 300 counts.
To increase the pressure on Milken, prosecutors threatened to indict Milken?s younger brother, Lowell, unless Milken made a plea deal. US Attorney General Dick Thornburgh quipped to his deputies: "A brother for a brother." Afterwards, Giuliani?s assistant US attorney, John Carroll, told Seton Hall Law School students in April 1992 that Lowell Milken was a "sort of ready chip in the negotiations." Giuliani even went so far as to send FBI agents to hound Milken?s 92-year old grandfather.
Milken?s attorneys concluded that Giuliani, lacking any case, was far out on a limb and desperate for a face-saving plea. They worked out a plea to six minor technical offenses that had never carried any prison time. But Giuliani was determined to have his victim, and Milken was double-crossed by sentencing judge, Kimba "Bimbo" Wood, and spent two years of his life in prison.
Giuliani?s assistant US attorney John Carroll later bragged to Seton Hall Law students that in the Milken case "we?re guilty of criminalizing technical offenses. . . . Many of the prosecution theories we used were novel. Many of the statutes that we charged under . . . hadn?t been charged as crimes before. . . . We?re looking to find the next areas of conduct that meets any sort of statutory definition of what criminal conduct is."
It is a damning indication of the collapse of American law that an assistant US attorney can be well received when he brags to law school students that federal prosecutors frame Americans with novel interpretations that create ex post facto law and violate mens rea ? no crime without intent ? the foundation of the Anglo-American legal system.
In his book, Payback: The Conspiracy to Destroy Michael Milken and His Financial Revolution, University of Chicago law professor and dean Daniel Fischel proves Milken?s innocence. But when prosecutors are corrupt, innocence is no protection.
Giuliani?s crimes were not limited to Milken and Princeton/Newport. After investigating, I concluded that Giuliani framed Leona Helmsley with the suborned perjury of one of Helmsley?s accountants, whose own infraction in helping to defraud the Miller Brewing Company was dropped in exchange for false witness against Helmsley.
I wrote about Helmsley?s frame-up in National Review, and my story was picked up by one of the TV shows of the era. Both Alan Dershowitz and Robert Bork share my conviction that Helmsley was framed with suborned perjury.
Today National Review is a Giuliani partisan, as is the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal. During Giuliani?s "white-collar crime heyday," the Wall Street Journal editorial page was busy exposing Giuliani?s duplicity and misuse of the media to create cases against innocent targets.
Giuliani rode his prosecutions of the rich to the NYC mayoralty, just as he rode 9/11 to become a GOP presidential candidate. Giuliani?s career never served justice; it served his personal ambition, his ego. That a person so short on integrity could become a candidate for president is a damning indictment of the US political system.
The account of Giuliani?s prosecution of Milken comes from my book with Lawrence Stratton, The Tyranny of Good Intentions.
May 11, 2007
Paul Craig Roberts wrote the Kemp-Roth bill and was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is author or coauthor of eight books, including The Supply-Side Revolution (Harvard University Press). He has held numerous academic appointments, including the William E. Simon Chair in Political Economy, Center for Strategic and International Studies, Georgetown University and Senior Research Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University. He has contributed to numerous scholar journals and testified before Congress on 30 occasions. He has been awarded the U.S. Treasury's Meritorious Service Award and the French Legion of Honor. He was a reviewer for the Journal of Political Economy under editor Robert Mundell. He is the co-author of The Tyranny of Good Intentions. He is also coauthor with Karen Araujo of Chile: Dos Visiones ? La Era Allende-Pinochet (Santiago: Universidad Andres Bello, 2000).
Copyright ? 2007 Creators
The Criminal Career of Rudy Giuliani
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Republican magazines have begun their pimp operations for the GOP?s 2008 presidential candidates.
In a recent issue of National Review, Jennifer Rubin, described as "a freelance writer in Washington, D.C.," pumps up Rudolph Giuliani as "America?s mayor" and "America?s prosecutor."
Giuliani is a media creation. Giuliani was unknown until in search of name recognition he staged a stormtrooper assault on the financial firm Princeton/Newport involving fifty federal marshals outfitted with automatic weapons and bulletproof vests. On another occasion he had two New York investment bankers hauled off their trading floor in handcuffs.
Giuliani?s victims had done nothing and were exonerated. But Giuliani?s media stunts served to turn public sentiment against white-collar defendants.
Giuliani once bragged that by giving negative treatment to his targets, "the media does the job for me." Giuliani certainly had no difficulty manipulating Wall Street Journal reporters James B. Stewart, Daniel Hertzberg and Laurie Cohen or The Predators? Ball author Connie Bruck. Milken, who had done nothing except make a lot of money by proving Wall Street wrong about non-investment grade bonds, was branded the "Cosa Nostra of the securities world."
Milken?s "junk bonds" financed such household names as CNN, Barnes & Noble, Stone Container Corporation, Time-Warner, Safeway, and Mattel. Milken provided capital to companies with promising futures that lacked investment-grade credit rankings. Milken operated out of Los Angeles, not Wall Street. His earnings and those of his upstart firm, Drexel Burnham Lambert, aroused envy and hatred among the Wall Street hot shots. Milken failed to use his money to purchase political protection in Washington. Instead, he gave his money to organizations that help poor black children.
Milken was set up perfectly for an ambitious and unscrupulous prosecutor like Giuliani.
Giuliani leaked to his media pimps that a 98-count indictment was coming down against Milken. As Milken had done nothing and Giuliani had no case against him, Giuliani?s strategy was to coerce Milken into a plea bargain. When Milken failed to send his attorneys to work out a plea arrangement, Giuliani used Laurie Cohen to report eighteen times in the Wall Street Journal that Milken would imminently face an expanded superseding indictment of between 160 and 300 counts.
To increase the pressure on Milken, prosecutors threatened to indict Milken?s younger brother, Lowell, unless Milken made a plea deal. US Attorney General Dick Thornburgh quipped to his deputies: "A brother for a brother." Afterwards, Giuliani?s assistant US attorney, John Carroll, told Seton Hall Law School students in April 1992 that Lowell Milken was a "sort of ready chip in the negotiations." Giuliani even went so far as to send FBI agents to hound Milken?s 92-year old grandfather.
Milken?s attorneys concluded that Giuliani, lacking any case, was far out on a limb and desperate for a face-saving plea. They worked out a plea to six minor technical offenses that had never carried any prison time. But Giuliani was determined to have his victim, and Milken was double-crossed by sentencing judge, Kimba "Bimbo" Wood, and spent two years of his life in prison.
Giuliani?s assistant US attorney John Carroll later bragged to Seton Hall Law students that in the Milken case "we?re guilty of criminalizing technical offenses. . . . Many of the prosecution theories we used were novel. Many of the statutes that we charged under . . . hadn?t been charged as crimes before. . . . We?re looking to find the next areas of conduct that meets any sort of statutory definition of what criminal conduct is."
It is a damning indication of the collapse of American law that an assistant US attorney can be well received when he brags to law school students that federal prosecutors frame Americans with novel interpretations that create ex post facto law and violate mens rea ? no crime without intent ? the foundation of the Anglo-American legal system.
In his book, Payback: The Conspiracy to Destroy Michael Milken and His Financial Revolution, University of Chicago law professor and dean Daniel Fischel proves Milken?s innocence. But when prosecutors are corrupt, innocence is no protection.
Giuliani?s crimes were not limited to Milken and Princeton/Newport. After investigating, I concluded that Giuliani framed Leona Helmsley with the suborned perjury of one of Helmsley?s accountants, whose own infraction in helping to defraud the Miller Brewing Company was dropped in exchange for false witness against Helmsley.
I wrote about Helmsley?s frame-up in National Review, and my story was picked up by one of the TV shows of the era. Both Alan Dershowitz and Robert Bork share my conviction that Helmsley was framed with suborned perjury.
Today National Review is a Giuliani partisan, as is the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal. During Giuliani?s "white-collar crime heyday," the Wall Street Journal editorial page was busy exposing Giuliani?s duplicity and misuse of the media to create cases against innocent targets.
Giuliani rode his prosecutions of the rich to the NYC mayoralty, just as he rode 9/11 to become a GOP presidential candidate. Giuliani?s career never served justice; it served his personal ambition, his ego. That a person so short on integrity could become a candidate for president is a damning indictment of the US political system.
The account of Giuliani?s prosecution of Milken comes from my book with Lawrence Stratton, The Tyranny of Good Intentions.
May 11, 2007
Paul Craig Roberts wrote the Kemp-Roth bill and was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is author or coauthor of eight books, including The Supply-Side Revolution (Harvard University Press). He has held numerous academic appointments, including the William E. Simon Chair in Political Economy, Center for Strategic and International Studies, Georgetown University and Senior Research Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University. He has contributed to numerous scholar journals and testified before Congress on 30 occasions. He has been awarded the U.S. Treasury's Meritorious Service Award and the French Legion of Honor. He was a reviewer for the Journal of Political Economy under editor Robert Mundell. He is the co-author of The Tyranny of Good Intentions. He is also coauthor with Karen Araujo of Chile: Dos Visiones ? La Era Allende-Pinochet (Santiago: Universidad Andres Bello, 2000).
Copyright ? 2007 Creators
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Guess we'll have to agree on Gulliani and disagree re Mike Milken. He was dirty and deserved to be prosecuted. Not with the methods Gullianai used but he did deserve to be prosecuted. He deserved a lot worse for the outcome of all the people losing millions (in many cases all they owned) with him walking away with a fortune. Not my favorite guy. Don't want to debate the issue, sore spot. Had friends' parents lose tons in the junk bond thing with no knowledge they were invested in it.
1st I've read on this take on the whole Michael Miliken "being set up" as it were, Sponge.
I'm with Auspice; the dude was as guilty as the day is long as I understood it at the time. Might have to do some digging on this one. Could be interesting to read some other opinions on Miliken and Drexel Burnham Lambert...
Remember when they made a huge deal out of fining Miliken something like 600 million dollars? That left him with "only" a billion or so that he looted from the unsuspecting clients of his.
I'm with Auspice; the dude was as guilty as the day is long as I understood it at the time. Might have to do some digging on this one. Could be interesting to read some other opinions on Miliken and Drexel Burnham Lambert...
Remember when they made a huge deal out of fining Miliken something like 600 million dollars? That left him with "only" a billion or so that he looted from the unsuspecting clients of his.
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All i remember about Milken was bad press but I wasn't close to the story. I was kinda hesitant about putting this up because of his name being in it. I was mainly talking about some of Rudy's tactics. Maybe Milken told him that story.
Let me tell you what a liberal KOS affilliate is Auspice--
They are someone who comes on political forum since 1991--makes near 500 posts of which not one post contains an opinion on sporting event outcome-stocks or anything else-
Why? no confidence or dread of failure before your peers?
7 years of nothing but opinion on politics for most part.
---and you speak of walking the walk
you think throwing out a $10,000 wager you know won't be accepted is walking the walk--
If I ever considered a wager of such-by check- it might be $9,999--and if you are the accountant you profess you should understand why
Let me tell you what a liberal KOS affilliate is Auspice--
They are someone who comes on political forum since 1991--makes near 500 posts of which not one post contains an opinion on sporting event outcome-stocks or anything else-
Why? no confidence or dread of failure before your peers?
7 years of nothing but opinion on politics for most part.
---and you speak of walking the walk
you think throwing out a $10,000 wager you know won't be accepted is walking the walk--
If I ever considered a wager of such-by check- it might be $9,999--and if you are the accountant you profess you should understand why
Geez, you got me. I know nothing about gambling. I confess, I hang around the gaming forums to gleem all I can from those like yourself that wager a $100 a play. It adds to my self-worth and makes my days go by. I will follow in your regal wake wherever you lead. Please oh royal one, teach me the ways of the force.
Wrong amount--my standard wager is $50 don't have any 2 ,3 ect unit plays--however if you get up around 5am central time when I wager tomorrow and pick out any golf match at 5 dimes or Hollywood-- I'll show you how to move line 10 points with $50 wager.
Been asked that question several time Smurph--and as I always replied-- It not the money it's the challenge--rarily deviate from original wager amount since I started.
I understand that may sound far fetched but can prove my point.
Would be happy to post any of below at your request.
All Neteller transactions for last 5 years showing all EFT's into bank--and none out
-or correspondence turning down pay sites offering compensation to post plays there.
Its a recreational thing to me--and also believed if I bet more it might detrimental as $50 allows me to bet totally stress free and nullifies most emotion in general--don't generally even look at results till next day.
I understand that may sound far fetched but can prove my point.
Would be happy to post any of below at your request.
All Neteller transactions for last 5 years showing all EFT's into bank--and none out
-or correspondence turning down pay sites offering compensation to post plays there.
Its a recreational thing to me--and also believed if I bet more it might detrimental as $50 allows me to bet totally stress free and nullifies most emotion in general--don't generally even look at results till next day.
