Why not the Lions??

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Detroit Lions...Worst team in football.
Detroit Lions...Perpetual losers
Detroit Lions...NFC North Champs???

(waiting for laughter to subside)

The Greek lists the Lions at +1045 to win the NFC North. And I say...why not??

There have been plenty of surprising turnarounds in the NFL these past few parity-filled seasons.

The Rams went from 4-12 in 1998 to Super Bowl champions in 1999. The Saints of 1999 were 3-13 only to go 10-6 and win the NFC West the following season. There have been eight cases of first to worst since 2003 and six of them occurred in the NFC. There is much more parity in the NFC than in the top-heavy AFC. So why not the Lions?? Let's take a closer look.

The Lions finished a disappointing 3-13 in the North last season although they did show some glimmers of hope. Their final month of the season the offense began to gel under Mike Martz, averaging 22 points over their last five games. Detroit adds a player who's been described as the best athlete in the entire draft, a few more options in the backfield, and a re-vamped offensive line. Martz did wonders with a cast of retreads last season. Now he has the weapons. Could be scary.

Their competition does little to strike fear into my heart, either.

The Pack ended the season as one of the hottest teams in football, winning their last four games with a slew of rookies and unheralded contributors carrying the load. The coaching staff worked wonders with that roster last year. The four rookies that contributed tremendously are now all a year older, a year wiser. There's certainly reason for optimism. Can the Packers eclipse .500 this year, though? I think it'll be tough. Along with the Niners, Cardinals, and Vikings ? the Packers will be a popular sleeper pick in the NFC this season. I just don't see it. They didn't add nearly enough to get over the hump.

The Tank Johnson stuff, the Lance Briggs franchise tag/Washington trade debacle, the questionable Thomas Jones trade, and they appear to be planning to return all their eggs to Rex Grossman's basket ? a lot of Bears fans were left scratching their heads this off-season, asking what exactly was going on in the Windy City.

The Vikings face 2007 with Tarvaris Jackson, Brooks Bollinger and Tyler Thigpen at quarterback. In 2006, Jackson and Bollinger combined to throw two touchdown passes and five interceptions.

You heard it here first...The Detroit Lions will win the NFC North and be in the playoffs for the first time since 1999.
 
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It's -340 at the greek. Good Luck!!

Would you still bet it at -940? Since there's only value in a winner? Even if they give up 5+/carry on the ground this year?

"value" is the term thrown around by losers to justify their terrible wagers....seen mostly at race tracks but also in moneyline wagers in sports betting.

det at +150, +300, +500, +800, +1000 all are losers when they roll out their usual record of 4-12......their offense may have what it takes to win games but their defense is going to be atrocious and will kill this team every week.
 

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The Detroit Lions will win the NFC North and be in the playoffs for the first time since 1999.


Oh how I would like to be able to have My Team still Playing for something after Week 7.


I can't Wait....I always have a little something on them
 

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"value" is the term thrown around by losers to justify their terrible wagers....seen mostly at race tracks but also in moneyline wagers in sports betting.

While I don't necessarily think Det will win their Div...

...this is just about the single worst sentence I have seen posted...here or anywhere else!!

"Value" is absolutely key to any long term profit.

"Upsets" are a true fact of sporting life.

How do you weight up taking a spread? You believe that a particular team has a greater than even chances of winning (slightly more, but anyway...)
Would you take a spread @ 1.10, rather than 1.90?...even tho you saw it as a 'certain winner'?

A value bettor (and I mean someone who sees real value in a bet) may indeed lose 5 long-shot bets of +1100 (10/1...11.00...whatever!!), but the 6th one comes in and guess what? He's infront.
And the guy laughing at how easy it is to take the 1.10 favs in each game is suddenly down the tube.

I don't care what the price is...and I mean literally any price...if you think a team is a better chance than the posted odds, then you'd be silly not to take it.

...having said all that, long-term bets suck! :D
Long season, injuries, suspensions...who knnows what is down the track!!

I do like the logic tho Wayne.
Good luck :cool:

EDIT: Let me put it this way...

...a guy walks up to you on the street with a coin and offers you 10/1 that the flip will come up heads!
Now, there's no certain winner...There's no logical way you can pick which side the coin will land, but you're honestly telling us that you wouldn't take the 10/1 in an absolute 50/50 situation??
(Obviously an extreme example, but you get the idea.)

I understand where you are coming from, in saying that there's no point throwing money away on a bet that will NOT win...ie. Putting even $1 on Tibet to win the next Basketball World Champs would be a waste...
...but nowhere in Wayne's original post does it say, "Detroit will win the NFL North!! Jump onboard and we'll all be swimming in champagne and hookers come play-off time"...

...He's simply saying that he believes that Detroit's chances of winning are greater than the odds being offered.
And that is value in a nut-case...er, shell ;) :SIB
 
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While I don't necessarily think Det will win their Div...

...this is just about the single worst sentence I have seen posted...here or anywhere else!!

"Value" is absolutely key to any long term profit.

"Upsets" are a true fact of sporting life.

How do you weight up taking a spread? You believe that a particular team has a greater than even chances of winning (slightly more, but anyway...)
Would you take a spread @ 1.10, rather than 1.90?...even tho you saw it as a 'certain winner'?

A value bettor (and I mean someone who sees real value in a bet) may indeed lose 5 long-shot bets of +1100 (10/1...11.00...whatever!!), but the 6th one comes in and guess what? He's infront.
And the guy laughing at how easy it is to take the 1.10 favs in each game is suddenly down the tube.

I don't care what the price is...and I mean literally any price...if you think a team is a better chance than the posted odds, then you'd be silly not to take it.

...having said all that, long-term bets suck! :D
Long season, injuries, suspensions...who knnows what is down the track!!

I do like the logic tho Wayne.
Good luck :cool:

EDIT: Let me put it this way...

...a guy walks up to you on the street with a coin and offers you 10/1 that the flip will come up heads!
Now, there's no certain winner...There's no logical way you can pick which side the coin will land, but you're honestly telling us that you wouldn't take the 10/1 in an absolute 50/50 situation??
(Obviously an extreme example, but you get the idea.)

I understand where you are coming from, in saying that there's no point throwing money away on a bet that will NOT win...ie. Putting even $1 on Tibet to win the next Basketball World Champs would be a waste...
...but nowhere in Wayne's original post does it say, "Detroit will win the NFL North!! Jump onboard and we'll all be swimming in champagne and hookers come play-off time"...

...He's simply saying that he believes that Detroit's chances of winning are greater than the odds being offered.
And that is value in a nut-case...er, shell ;) :SIB

Loser! :mj07:
 

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While I don't necessarily think Det will win their Div...

...this is just about the single worst sentence I have seen posted...here or anywhere else!!

"Value" is absolutely key to any long term profit.

"Upsets" are a true fact of sporting life.

How do you weight up taking a spread? You believe that a particular team has a greater than even chances of winning (slightly more, but anyway...)
Would you take a spread @ 1.10, rather than 1.90?...even tho you saw it as a 'certain winner'?

A value bettor (and I mean someone who sees real value in a bet) may indeed lose 5 long-shot bets of +1100 (10/1...11.00...whatever!!), but the 6th one comes in and guess what? He's infront.
And the guy laughing at how easy it is to take the 1.10 favs in each game is suddenly down the tube.

I don't care what the price is...and I mean literally any price...if you think a team is a better chance than the posted odds, then you'd be silly not to take it.

...having said all that, long-term bets suck! :D
Long season, injuries, suspensions...who knnows what is down the track!!

I do like the logic tho Wayne.
Good luck :cool:

EDIT: Let me put it this way...

...a guy walks up to you on the street with a coin and offers you 10/1 that the flip will come up heads!
Now, there's no certain winner...There's no logical way you can pick which side the coin will land, but you're honestly telling us that you wouldn't take the 10/1 in an absolute 50/50 situation??
(Obviously an extreme example, but you get the idea.)

I understand where you are coming from, in saying that there's no point throwing money away on a bet that will NOT win...ie. Putting even $1 on Tibet to win the next Basketball World Champs would be a waste...
...but nowhere in Wayne's original post does it say, "Detroit will win the NFL North!! Jump onboard and we'll all be swimming in champagne and hookers come play-off time"...

...He's simply saying that he believes that Detroit's chances of winning are greater than the odds being offered.
And that is value in a nut-case...er, shell ;) :SIB


thanks.....

i hear losers like you rationalize their future win bets all day long, especailly at the track with the term "value"

they wont bet a horse they've handicapped to win because the odds are....2-1.....instead they will take a horse to win @ 8-1 becasue it offers "value"......guess what always happens....that 2-1 horse usually wins and that 8-1 win bet pays nothing while that 2-1 win bet pays double.....nice value!

play a win bet to win, based on you thinking that is the actual WINNER not based on the odds or "value" of a payout
 
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thanks.....

i hear losers like you rationalize their future win bets all day long, especailly at the track with the term "value"

they wont bet a horse they've handicapped to win because the odds are....2-1.....instead they will take a horse to win @ 8-1 becasue it offers "value"......guess what always happens....that 2-1 horse usually wins and that 8-1 win bet pays nothing while that 2-1 win bet pays double.....nice value!

play a win bet to win, based on you thinking that is the actual WINNER not based on the odds or "value" of a payout

I think you are missing MC's point. Some of us know what he's saying, others would rather just call him a loser. He's not saying anything against the 2-1 favorite and it could just as easily be the better value depending on the situation.
 

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Oh well...At least I got my excuse in nice and early for a shite season ahead... ;)

(gjn23, you could not have possibly missed the point by any further!! :scared )
 

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Lions @ +1050 has value.
You guys betting the Bears at -350 to win their division need to have your heads examined... pure and simple. I'm sure you are the same bettors who were all over Tiger last weekend in the British open and will bet the Colts every week.

The Bears can have injuries, they could be very overconfident, and they still have a crappy QB. I thought Chicago was very lucky last season and teams will be ready for them this season.
 

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LIONS win NFC NORTH pick @+10.00 X 2.5

Just had to Post this Play. The LIONS have just a chance to Win...A chance just like the Bears...They will be strong....Vikings...Hate the Purple...No Way...The Pack...Is Farve still there....Da Bears will be the Team, LIONS....Matt has driven us to the bottom...Maybe they can keep their heads above Water and be the sneaky Team this year.
 
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