Will U.S. Troops Fire On American Citizens?

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Will U.S. Troops Fire On American Citizens?

Who would believe that in the year 2012 one would have to ask if the U.S. Military would fire on American Citizen?s?


The question of troop involvement in a possible upcoming Martial Law scenario that is being predicted is no imaginary possibility ? nor is it a ?conspiracy theory?.


Other tough questions are being discussed such as, ?Will the U.S. government confiscate Gold and Silver in an economic collapse?? and ?Will there be a round-up of American Citizens to be put into FEMA Camps

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Ahhhhh....the old Faux News strawman trick: ask questions about phoney possibilities:

Will US troops fire on Citizens?

Will Obama nuke San Francisco?

Will the sun burn up the Earth next Tuesday?

Will the FDA release a man-eating virus?

Will Lumi marry Skulnutz?

The answer to the first four is no. Number five? We'll need to hear about that from a panel of Faux "experts". Sean Hannity will think it's very likely.
 

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Ahhhh,

The usual Duff reply, or Alinsky tactic :shrug:

really not much of a difference.

Try to ridicule the messenger, bring up absurd possibilities to deflect from the truth !

DEFLECT THIS

The following survey was given to U.S. Marines at the 29 Palms Marine Corps base in California:
DD Form 3206 (Rev 2/96)JOINT SERVICES TRAINING COMBAT ARMS SURVEYPart A (Confidential when filled in)This questionnaire is to gather data concerning the attitudes of combat trained personnel with regard to non-traditional missions. All responses are confidential and official. Write your answers directly on the form. In Part II, place an ?X? in the space provided for your response.Date:_____________Part 1. Demographics.1. Branch of Service: Army ( ) USAF ( ) Navy ( ) Marines ( ) ANG ( ) NG ( ) USCG ( ) Other: ( )2. Pay Grade: (E-6, O-4, etc) ( )3. MOS, AFSC or Specialty Code and Description: ( )4. Highest level of education: Less than 12 ( ) 13 ( ) 14 ( ) 15 ( ) (16) ( ) More than 16 ( )5. How many months did you serve in Operation Desert Storm/Desert Shield?( )6. How many months did you serve in Somalia? ( )

7. Where did you spend most of your childhood?

City: ( ); County: ( ) State: ( )

Part II. Attitude:

Do you feel that U.S. combat troops should be used within the U.S. and bordering countries for any of the following missions?

(Strongly Disagree) (Disagree) (Agree) (Strongly Agree) (No Opinion)

8. Drug enforcement

9. Disaster relief (e.g. hurricanes, floods, fires, earthquakes)

10. Security at national events (e.g. Olympic Games, Super Bowl)

11. Environmental disaster clean-up including toxic and nuclear

12. Substitute teachers and school workers in public schools

13. Community assistance programs (e.g. landscaping, environmental clean-up,road repair, animal control)

14. Federal and State prison guards and auxiliary police

15. National emergency police force/international security force

16. Advisors to SWAT units, the FBI, or the BATF

17. Border Patrol (e.g. prevention of entry of illegal aliens into U.S. territory)

18. Drug enforcement and interdiction

19. Disaster relief in bordering countries (e.g. hurricanes, floods, fires, earthquakes, etc.)

20. Environmental disaster clean-up in bordering countries including toxic and nuclear.

21. Peace keeping and local law enforcement and internal security forces

22. National building (reconstruct civil governments, develop public school system, develop or improve public transportation system, etc.)

23. Humanitarian relief (e.g. food and medical supplies, temporary housing and clothing and domestic care).

Do you feel that U.S. combat troops should be used in other countries, under command of non-U.S. officers appointed by the U.N. for any of the following missions?

24. Drug enforcement.

25. Disaster relief (e.g. hurricanes, floods, fires, earthquakes)

26. Environmental disaster clean-up including toxic and nuclear.

27. Peace keeping including local law enforcement and internal security forces

28. National building (reconstruct civil government, develop public school system, develop or improve public transportation system, etc.

29. Humanitarian relief (e.g. food and medical supplies, temporary housing and clothing and domestic care)

30. Police action (e.g. Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm but serving under non-U.S. officers)

31. The U.S. runs a field training exercise. U.N. combat troops should be allowed to serve in U.S. combat units during these exercises under U.S. command and control.

32. The U.N. runs a field training exercise. U.S. combat troops under U.S. command and control should serve in U.N. combat units during these exercises

33. The U.N. runs a field training exercise. U. S. combat troops should serve under U.N. command and control.

34. U.S. combat troops should participate in U.N.missions as long as the U.S. has full command and control.

35. U.S. combat troops should participate in U.N. missions under U.N. command and control.

36. U.S. combat troops should be commanded by U.N. officers and non- commissioned officers at battalion, wing and company levels while performing U.N. missions.

37. It would make no difference to me to have U.N. soldiers as members of my team.

38. It would make no difference to me to take orders from a U.N. company or squadron commander.

39. I feel the President of the U.S. has the authority to pass his responsibilities as Commander-in-Chief to the U.N. Secretary General.

40. I feel there is no conflict between my oath of office and serving as a U.N. soldier.

41. I feel my unit?s combat effectiveness would not be affected by performing huminatarian and peace keeping missions for the U.N.

42. I feel a designated unit of U.S. combat soldiers should be permanently assigned to the command and control of the U.N.

43. I would be willing to volunteer for assignment to a U.S. combat unit under a U.N. commander.

44. I would like U.N. member countries, including the U.S., to give the U.N. all the soldiers necessary to maintain world peace.

45. I would swear to the following code:

?I am a United Nations fighting person. I serve in the forces which maintain world peace and every nation?s way of life. I swear and affirm to support and defend the Charter of the United Nations and I am prepared to give my life in its defense.?

46. The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession, sale, transportation, and transfer of all non-approved firearms. A 30-day amnesty period is established for these firearms to be turned over to the local authorities. At the end of this period, a number of irregular citizen groups and defiant individuals refuse to turn over their firearms to authority.

Consider the following statement:

?I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the United States government.?

End of Survey :popcorn2


I HAVE A COPY OF THIS SURVEY
 

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Okay, I read the survey.

What was the purpose of the survey?

How were the questions answered?

What was done with the results?


What I read in the survey is repetition of basically one question: Are you willing to violate the Posse Comitatus act?

The fact that the question was asked means nothing.

It's like asking: "Would you rape your mother?"

The asking proves nothing about the likelihood that you will rape your mother. It does not prove that you will be asked or ordered to rape your mother, nor does it prove that you would comply if so ordered.

STRAW MAN QUESTION
 

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And that survey? It's been flying around among conspiracy theorists since at least 1994.

http://www.google.com/search?q=+The....,cf.osb&fp=3226d37ade666d03&biw=1143&bih=710

That survey was administered to only 46 Marines in 1994. And the man who conducted the survey concluded from it -


Cunningham's own survey results demonstrate that there is solid opposition to converting the U.S. military into an adjunct of a New World Army. Yet his outrageous suggestion provides the globalists with an opportunity for circumventing that opposition. If implemented, it would undoubtedly be, not an end in itself, but another ominous step toward the abandonment of the traditional role of the U.S. military. Yet there is good reason to believe that these subversive plans will never be accomplished -- as the heroic stand of Army Specialist Michael New amply demonstrates.

RUN! RUN! THE SKY IS FALLING.

Keep up the good work.
 
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I digress,

I forgot that you have all of those overseas "Peace Keeping Missions" under your belt.

You have all of that trigger time and all of the stress that comes along with it.

So from now on, I relinquish the forum to you when it comes to Military matters.
 

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Please don't. You have much more military knowledge. I can only read better. :0008

Really?

Where as I have access to certain docs that you don't.

Do you not think I am capable of analyzing these docs and stories?

I can go on about my job as a Team Leader, Squad Leader and Platoon Sgt and having to read, write, interpret and execute OPORDER on the fly.

When things go sideways how to change that order to shoot, move, communicate and execute a plan to move my soldiers to safety.

So I think I am quite capable of Reading and Comprehending things just fine.

However,

If I do find myself in a quandry, you will be the first person I will seek assistance from. :toast:
 

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And if I find myself surrounded by Indians and running low on ammo, I'll yell:



Lumi, Lumi, pwease hep me!
:toast:

Feather or Dot? Or Cleveland?

Too bad I will be dug in and you will be on your own trying to explain the 10 Pillars of Socialism to them.
 

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Feather or Dot? Or Cleveland?

Too bad I will be dug in and you will be on your own trying to explain the 10 Pillars of Socialism to them.

Naw. I'll just tell them:

I'm a poooooor old pensioner and have nothing of value.

Lumi's the guy you need to see. He's got food, gold and silver, guns and ammo, much wampum, fire water, Cali weed, and pretty white wimmin. Dig him out of his spider-hole.



Ugh, where we find this "Lumi", white man?

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