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DOGS THAT BARK

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Costly campaign vows face reality check By ANDREW TAYLOR, Associated Press Writer
Sun Feb 24, 1:02 PM ET

WASHINGTON - Barack Obama promises $4,000 credits to help pay college tuition. Hillary Rodham Clinton backs $25 billion for home heating subsidies. And John McCain wants to not only extend President Bush's tax cuts, but eliminate the alternative minimum tax at a cost of about $2 trillion over 10 years.

Then there's reality.

These campaign pledges ? and dozens more in the manifestos of the leading presidential candidates ? face a collision with the real world come January.

That's when the new president will start putting together a real budget and economic plan, one drafted against the backdrop of record federal deficits exceeding $400 billion. Even more challenging is the growth of the Medicare and Social Security retirement programs, which budget experts say could require wrenching benefit cuts, politically difficult tax hikes or both to handle the retirement of the baby boom generation.

In that environment, promises to effectively rebate the first $500 of Social Security payroll taxes (Obama), provide $1,000 tax credits for retirement savings (Clinton) or cut the corporate income tax by 10 percentage points (McCain) may turn out to be campaign fantasies.

"They're operating in Never Never Land.... None of them are honestly addressing the real challenges that they're going to be facing if they're elected," said Leon Panetta, former budget director and chief of staff for President Clinton. "We're facing a deficit bubble that is getting increasingly worse and at some point is going to explode on us."

Democrats Obama and Clinton face a situation eerily familiar to 1992, when Bill Clinton ran a campaign promising middle-class tax cuts and universal health care. Instead, worsening deficit predictions led him to push through Congress a tax-heavy deficit reduction plan that helped Republicans take over Congress in 1994.

For Republican McCain, the parallel is to the one-term presidency of George H.W. Bush, who inherited a budget crisis ? and a Congress controlled by Democrats ? that ultimately led him to break his "read my lips" pledge not to raise taxes.

For now, however, the campaigns are sticking with policy papers that don't add up but cater to political constituencies.

Obama's "Keeping America's Promise" manifesto is full of costly prescriptions for the economy. Obama proposes tax cuts for senior citizens and college students, and $500 for every wage-earner, totaling $80 billion-$85 billion a year. He says he would pay for the tax cuts by closing loopholes and closing offshore tax havens, but those steps would fall far short of fully offsetting their costs.

Both Obama and Clinton would keep in place many of the Bush tax cuts, including rate cuts for most taxpayers and the $1,000 per child tax credit. Both would let rate cuts for upper-income taxpayers expire, and use the savings to help pay for their health care promises.

To address looming shortfalls in Social Security, Obama supports raising the cap that limits the 6.2 percent Social Security payroll tax to the first $102,000 of income.

Almost in an aside, the Obama campaign document says he supports closing the "doughnut hole" in the Medicare drug benefit ? the gap created at the point when beneficiaries have to pick up all of their drug costs before catastrophic drug coverage kicks it. Closing it would roughly double the cost of the Medicare prescription drug program, however, and Obama offers no way to pay for it.

Obama also promises a $60 billion investment in infrastructure and an $18 billion per year boost in education spending. The Illinois senator says his plan to withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq will generate savings to help pay for these items, but that doesn't qualify as an offset under budget rules because the Iraq spending is an emergency expense, not a permanent part of the budget.

For his part, McCain voted against Bush's tax cuts as tilted too much in favor of the wealthy. He has since changed his mind.

Now, with most budget experts forecasting deep deficits for the future, McCain wants to extend the Bush tax cuts, which expire at the end of 2010. The price tag for McCain's plan would soon exceed $300 billion a year after government borrowing costs are factored in.

McCain also wants to eliminate the alternative minimum tax, or AMT, which would add more than $2 trillion in accumulated deficits to the federal ledger from 2010-2020. The AMT was enacted in 1969 to make sure the wealthy paid at least some tax, but now also threatens about 20 million additional taxpayers with levies averaging $2,000 if annual fixes aren't renewed.

Clinton's campaign generally succeeds more than the others at providing offsets ? revenue increases or spending cuts ? to finance programs such as her plan to provide health care for all.

But even if the next president "pays for" new initiatives, they will still be left with an underlying budget deficit exceeding $400 billion and the looming crises in Social Security, Medicare and the Medicaid health care program for the poor and disabled.

Even so, Clinton campaign literature promises a "return to fiscal responsibility. After six and a half years of Bush's fiscal irresponsibility, Hillary wants America to regain control of its destiny. She will move back toward a balanced budget and surpluses."

Just how Clinton ? or any of her rivals ? might miraculously produce a budget surplus is not answered.

"They face a collision with reality," said Bob Greenstein, who heads the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a liberal think tank. "None of the three candidates is coming to grips with budget realities."

Urban Institute President Robert Reischauer, who directed the Congressional Budget Office during landmark budget debates of 1990 and 1993, says there's only so much any incoming president can hope to accomplish. Already, Reischauer says, the agenda includes bruising battles over renewing the Bush tax cuts, as well as reforming the AMT and preventing Medicare payments to doctors from being cut .

"There's a certain amount of political capital and energy that new administrations have and because the plate is already full, it's going to be very hard for them to push forward on new initiatives," Reischauer said.
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pretty good article except they forgot to include grand daddy of all expenditure--universal healthcare
 

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We can spend 120B in Iraq L 12 months .... We can have billions missing in our system and no one know where or why .... yes we can spend 18B for education (if we have to ) ... What do you want to do ? Wait and spend it on prisons and Da's to try juveniles ? What to you want to do ??? You don't want to pay for abortions. Lets just abort all these problems and have a cook out and a few beers to celebrate ! I could live with that . Lets not spend anything, or enough to take care of the young minds and spirits that hold our future. You are the smart guy . Nothing is for free... We have to spend money to make money. It's not just the money : parents, teachers ,students. I'll tell you , some of the best parts of this country spend more than we need.. We should focus our federal money and reform on the worst parts of our educational system. It is easy to post why this guy is for or against anything. It all comes together.. Every social policy has an effect on the next social policy. Lets not spend any money on education... Let's board up our homes buy canned foods and guns and wait in the basement.
 
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You can't make posts trumpeting about how our quarterly national deficit is as low as it has been since 2003 . . . and then make another post about candidates writing checks that they can't cash with campaign promises.

Well, I guess you can - but it doesn't make sense.
 

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Don't understand post Bobby--thought article was bi partisan especially coming from A.P.
believe it mentioned both sides probs :)

However is quite a diff on funding for war which is temporary--vs multiple permanant-escalating social programs with no plans to fix those already in serious jeopardy.

Now what happens if you add these plans-which are much more than cost of war--and then have to go to war in future--or have another 911-or Katrinia--or a few Enrons and others.

or maybe a better question--how does one party emphasis a balanced budget--excuse other party of spending like drunken sailors --with these babies on the table :shrug:

its same old rhetoric--
one party--running on freebees for their base at expense of the tax payor

the other party--running on promise to give tax payor a break--and strong defence.

Pretty simple to me--you vote per your priorities.
 

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Dogs, I would be right there with you, however, we witnessed the largest increase in government spending under GW Jr since LBJ. Tax cuts are great, and I believe in a free market and letting people spend the money they earn. However, the "tax cuts" were clearly targeted on the rich and this was coupled with out of control deficit spending.

This great nation should not be a debtor nation. We should not be dependent on foreign capital to pay our way.

I would hope we can all agree on that, and "change" is what we need.
 

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We got the cash. We will just get a little more from DTB. Or ask China to give some of our cash back. In other words do what Bush does. Borrow against our kids future.
 

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Dogs, I would be right there with you, however, we witnessed the largest increase in government spending under GW Jr since LBJ. Tax cuts are great, and I believe in a free market and letting people spend the money they earn. However, the "tax cuts" were clearly targeted on the rich and this was coupled with out of control deficit spending.

This great nation should not be a debtor nation. We should not be dependent on foreign capital to pay our way.

I would hope we can all agree on that, and "change" is what we need.

Make sense to me- as I believe LBJ was the last pres to be in office during war in full term--only diff is he didn't have massive expense of 911 Katrina and other bail outs to add to tab?

On tax cuts to the rich--I can only assume your talking about $1 amounts vs %.

ie both get same % tax cut--but one pays 10 times as much therefore he got 10 time bigger tax cut--right?

If you have diff analogy like higher income getting bigger % cut than lower--I'll be happy to reconsider.
 

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no DTB, I was referring to dividend and capital gains cuts and the tax policy in general. Don't get me wrong, I am for capital gains cuts. However, I happen to earn an income just below 6 figs, so the Bush tax cuts did nothing for me personally.

WASHINGTON, Jan. 7 ? Families earning more than $1 million a year saw their federal tax rates drop more sharply than any group in the country as a result of President Bush?s tax cuts, according to a new Congressional study.

Skip to next paragraph The study, by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, also shows that tax rates for middle-income earners edged up in 2004, the most recent year for which data was available, while rates for people at the very top continued to decline.

Based on an exhaustive analysis of tax records and census data, the study reinforced the sense that while Mr. Bush?s tax cuts reduced rates for people at every income level, they offered the biggest benefits by far to people at the very top ? especially the top 1 percent of income earners.
 

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believe these were final tax cut schedule--

Top tax rate of 39.6 percent drops to 35 percent by 2006
The 36 percent tax rate drops to 33 percent
The 31 percent tax rate drops to 28 percent
The 28 percent tax rate drops to 25 percent
Child tax credit doubles from $500 to $1000 per child by 2010
Federal tax on large estates is eliminated by 2010
Relief for the marriage penalty tax is provided
Contribution to education savings accounts raised from $500 to $2000
IRA contribution limit increases from $2,000 to $5,000 per year
401(k) plan contribution limit increases from $10,500 to $15,000 per year
 

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Don't understand post Bobby--thought article was bi partisan especially coming from A.P.
believe it mentioned both sides probs :).

Didn't think it was a slanted article. Just don't understand why people attack campaign promises on the basis that they're going to spend more than they take in when we have had 2 years of surplus in the last 30. It's the same reason as I don't understand why people attack social security which will be in a negative cash position 20 years from now when we're in a negative cash position today on the operational budget.

Pretty simple to me--you vote per your priorities.

Not everybody. Some vote on what would make the country better and not all about their own self interest.
 
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