W's approval ratings drop even further

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Two things that I find interesting in this poll are: 1) how many more folks are now calling themselves Dems compared to this time last year and 2) W's next decision on the Supreme Court is really going to make or break him with the religious right.




WASHINGTON - Hurricane Katrina and the bungled government response have weakened President Bush, raising questions among Americans about his Iraq and flood-recovery plans and spreading fears among fellow Republicans about next year's elections.

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An AP-Ipsos poll says nearly six in 10 people disapprove of Bush's job performance, unchanged from the record-low rating he had before last week's televised address from the heart of New Orleans.

That underscores why GOP leaders fear Bush could be a drag on GOP candidates in 2006.

Many in the poll also were concerned that Katrina and its aftermath would lead to a national economic downturn. Less than half approve of Bush's handling of Katrina. Less than a third give him good marks on gas prices.

The public seems to see a conflict among some of Bush's priorities a year before voters will choose a new House and one-third of the Senate.

Given a choice in the survey, 42 percent favored cutting spending on Iraq to pay for relief efforts on the Gulf Coast, and 29 percent wanted to delay or cancel Republican tax cuts. That's a whopping 71 percent backing options that Bush doesn't even have on the table.

Two-thirds said the president was spending too much in Iraq. Just as many were concerned the money was not being spent wisely.

The AP-Ipsos poll of 1,000 adults, conducted for three days after Bush's address to the nation last week, comes at a low point in his presidency.

A variety of polls suggest voters expected the president to act more quickly in the aftermath of Katrina. He's no longer considered a strong, decisive leader by many voters, a reversal from the 2004 presidential campaign when the wartime incumbent successfully cast himself in those terms.

"This is the most important intersection of his presidency," said former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a Republican.

With nearly all Democrats and two-thirds of independents soured on his presidency, Bush needs to keep Republican voters happy to avoid a collapse of his ratings. More than eight in 10 Republicans back Bush, but GOP strategists worry about a decline in enthusiasm as the next year's midterm elections draw near.

For the first time, senior Republican consultants and lawmakers are warning the White House that Bush's base is perilously close to deserting him. The poll underscores their concerns: By an 8-point margin, voters are more likely to call themselves Democrats than Republicans; there was no gap in self-identification a year ago.

That may play into two presidential decisions that threaten to divide the GOP coalition: Bush's nomination to replace Justice Sandra Day O'Connor and his final plans for Katrina spending. Social conservatives are demanding an anti-abortion Supreme Court justice. Some Republicans want him to select a woman or minority, and perhaps avoid a bitter fight by selecting a relative moderate.

On Katrina funding, fiscal conservatives are insisting that Bush find spending cuts in programs such as Medicare to offset the massive costs. Judging by the AP-Ipsos survey and other polls, budget cuts would be risky.

Some GOP leaders like Gingrich are denouncing "panic appropriations" to government agencies that they say are proven failures. "If we go into the election year as the explainers and managers of failure, we're going to get hammered," said Gingrich, calling on Bush to produce bureaucratic reforms while rebuilding the Gulf Coast.

Though the president has not specified how he would pay for Gulf Coast recovery projects estimated at $200 billion and more, the public has little interest in two options put forward by the White House: cutting other government spending and adding to the $333 billion deficit.

Just 11 percent of respondents favored reductions to other domestic programs like education, welfare, transportation and health care. A slightly higher number, 14 percent, said they favored adding to government debt and gradually paying it back.

At the White House, spokesman Scott McClellan said: "The president is acting on the priorities that are most important to the American people, like meeting the needs of the people affected by Katrina, prevailing in the war on terrorism and addressing high gas prices."

AP-Ipsos asked half the respondents to rate eight issues in terms of their priorities. The economy and jobs were cited by 25 percent, an 11-point jump since late August.

When Katrina was added to the issues list, Gulf Coast recovery was the highest-rated category.

"I don't know where they're going to come up with this money they're talking about," said Jeanne Wright, 67, a Republican-leaning voter from Manchester, Conn.

Bush's best hope may be that Democrats miscalculate as they struggle to find a unified voice post-Katrina.

Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., gave a blistering critique of the president on Monday.

Another presidential prospect, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., has called for an independent commission to investigate the government's initial response.

Her husband, former President Clinton, dropped any veneer of impartiality Monday, criticizing the Bush administration while still helping the president and his father raise money for Katrina's victims.

The poll had a margin of potential sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points
 

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LOL!!!! Didn't someone already post this??? You liberals are so desperate you keep regurgitaing the same thing!!

Thank God we have a president who bases his decisions on conservative standards as opposed to poll numbers. You liberals are so desperate to slam this president day in and day out aren't you?

I remember Ronald Reagan's approval rating being at 37%.

Keep it up! Point fingers and complain. Expose yourselves for the pesimistic whiners you are. Never offer any solutions...just dig thru the NY Times and cut and paste as many negative articles as you can. Slam the leader of our nation, even though the people elected him. Do what you need to do to make yourselves feel better.
 

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Manson, please remove tunnel vision glasses for once. Master Capper also posted a Pat Buchanon article - not exactly the voice of Air America.

When was Reagan's approval rating ever at 37%??? While governor when you were first sentenced? That doesn't really count.
 

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You're the one who posted it!!!! :mj07:

And when you use Pat Buchanon as your example of a solid conservative voice it just shows how out of touch with reality you are. That's like calling Leiberman a liberal. I can see you now.....posting a negative thread about Bush then sitting in your chair patting yourself on the back and giggling. Good job MasterCapper...you're a great American!!
 
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Master Capper said:
1) how many more folks are now calling themselves Dems compared to this time last year

As per usual this won't mean a thing.......

"Thank God they don't vote!" :clap:
 

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As per usual this won't mean a thing.......

"Thank God they don't vote!" :clap:
yeah really, just imagine how much worse things would be.
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sky high deficits, clusterf**k abroad, backwards energy plan - i can only imagine how much worse they would handle these situations. like manson says, thank god we have a president who can competently tackle these problems.
 

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Let's see - we are fighting a multi-nation anti-terror war, Bush inherrited a recession, and we have the worst disaster in history to hit our country. Yeah I'd be bitching about the deficit too.

Why didn't you the mention job growth? Why didn't you mention the liberation of 50,000,000 people? Why didn't you mention that there have been no attacks on American soil in over 4 years?? Bush took the battle to enemy and they now have to resort to hiding.

Whatever....you think negative...I'll go the other way. If you think someone could do a better job then put him up and let him run for president. Just this time make sure that your candidate offers alternative plans and solutions to terrorism, Iraq, and the deficit and not just whining and fingerpointing. Kerry had absolutely no clue how to fight terror and most Americans knew it.
 
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Just think all they have to do to pay for this mess is. Just ask the richest 1.75% in the country to give up there tax cut for three years. Chit if they ask us all. We would come out of the red completely. Bush is a lame duck anyway. He should show some real balls and do one or the other. He might even go down in history above average. Right now he 's joining the bottom crew.
 

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Bush liberated 50,000,000 people from terrorist regimes...and you call him above average???

Also regarding no tax cuts for the rich...work hard and get penalized??? What the hell this isn't the Soviet Union is it? What an insane idea...only from a liberal folks. Share the wealth huh? lol Another classic DJV post!!
 

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Saw him on the tube today begging everyone to say he's doing agreat job. Sooner or later a few more folks will feel sorry for him and he might get back to 43/44%.
 

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Why has the energy crisis become tied only to Bush? I suppose we had plenty of oil while Bubba was in office. I suppose that our corporations were working overtime on alternative fuel engines. I suppose we built numerous nuclear power plants. It goes on and on. I remember waiting in line for an hour or more when that wizard named Jimmy Carter was in office. You know, when interest rates were above 20%. Our problem with the "energy crisis" began long before Bush came on the scene. It is a crisis that knows no political bounds. To think that during Clinton's term this wasn't an issue is akin to being a blind man. When the environmentalists took over and we stopped bulding power plants; we stopped drilling for oil; etc - it only exacerbated our problems. As I have said so many times, Bush can be blamed for many things that have gone wrong in his term. But don't pin the blame for the energy crisis on him. It is not as if it was non-existent during Clinton's term and only started a few days after Bush's inauguration as many would like to believe.
 

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"Given a choice in the survey, 42 percent favored cutting spending on Iraq to pay for relief efforts on the Gulf Coast, and 29 percent wanted to delay or cancel Republican tax cuts. That's a whopping 71 percent backing options that Bush doesn't even have on the table."

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Ive seen it all now-but this is the most deceiving ploy by liberal media yet and it amazes me how some bite on the OBVIOUS deceit.

I read above statement and conclude that less than half favor spending cuts in Iraq and less than a 1/3 want to cancel tax cuts--

---but THEY add them together and and post a majority with adjectives like whooping--and that all the cool aid crowd sees.

under these accounting methods the statement 119% don't favor spending on Iraq or tax cuts would be equally true--now what kind of "whopping" majority is more than every American.

Are these journalist THAT stupid or do they think the lemmings have IQ of a rock.
 

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Energy problem started back in 1972. Even before Carter. It helped set the table for his demise. It seems hard to understand why after 30 years to get ready we didn't. But then you look at the power the auto industry and oil companies have had. And it gets easier to see why. It's like our health care right now. Going going gone. Well who's got the hammer. Insurance and Drug companies.
I see the Pres was back on TV today again. He must be reading paper he says he never does. He says same thing over and over. So I don't know if he understand most don't believe same old story.
 

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more deceptive BS--this time from UK scientist on global warming--
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article314510.ece

" paper by US researchers, last week in the US journal Science, showed that storms of the intensity of Hurricane Katrina have become almost twice as common in the past 35 years.

Although the overall frequency of tropical storms worldwide has remained broadly level since 1970, the number of extreme category 4 and 5 events has sharply risen. In the 1970s, there was an average of about 10 category 4 and 5 hurricanes per year but, since 1990, they have nearly doubled to an average of about 18 a year. During the same period, sea surface temperatures, among the key drivers of hurricane intensity, have increased by an average of 0.5C (0.9F)."

In reading this I wondered WHY they only go back 35 years or to the 70's--apon a little research the answer becomes quite clear--they wanted no part of the 60's in their claim--would totally fck up their theory;)

REFERENCES: NCDC, UNISYS

No. Name Max Wind Cat 5 Date Landfall As Cat 5

1 Not Named 140 kt 9/13/1928 Puerto Rico
160 mph
2 Not Named 140 kt 9/5/1932 Bahamas
160 mph
3 Not Named 140 kt 9/3/1935 US/FL Keys
160 mph
4 Not Named 140 kt 9/19/1938 ---
160 mph
5 Not Named 140 kt 9/16/1947 Bahamas
160 mph
6 Dog 160 kt 9/6/1950 ---
185 mph
7 Easy 140 kt 9/7/1951 ---
160 mph
8 Janet 150 kt 9/28/1955 Mexico
175 mph
9 Cleo 140 kt 8/16/1958 ---
160 mph
10 Donna 140 kt 9/4/1960 ---
160 mph
11 Ethel 140 kt 9/15/1960 ---
160 mph
12 Carla 150 kt 9/11/1961 ---
175 mph
13 Hattie 140 kt 10/30/1961 ---
160 mph
14 Beulah 140 kt 9/20/1967 ---
160 mph
15 Camille 165 kt 8/17/1969 US/MS
190 mph
16 Edith 140 kt 9/9/1971 Nicaragua
160 mph
17 Anita 150 kt 9/2/1977 ---
175 mph
18 David 150 kt 8/30/1979 ---
175 mph
19 Allen 165 kt 8/7/1980 ---
190 mph
20 Gilbert 160 kt 9/14/1988 Mexico
185 mph
21 Hugo 140 kt 9/15/1989 ---
160 mph
22 Andrew 143 kt 8/23/1992 Florida
165 mph
23 Mitch 155 kt 10/26/1998 ---
180 mph
140 kt ---
24 Isabel 160 mph 9/11/2003
145 kt ---
25 Ivan 167 mph 9/13/2004
150 kt ---
26 Katrina 175 mph 8/28/2005
150 kt ---
27 Rita 175 mph 9/21/2005
 
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Master Capper said:
Less than a third give him good marks on gas prices.

What kind of a poll question is that? How much does the Pres. have to do with Gas prices?

By the way, shouldn't gas be about 50 cents a gallon by now? Afterall, didn't we go into Iraq to steal their oil? Remember,"No Blood For Oil"...
 

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They have to be able to export it before we get 50 cents. Right now Iraq imports some from Kuwait.
 
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