X'd Vegas SB parties - who's to blame part 2

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So, if the NFL is not to blame for the cancelled Super Bowl parties who is?
Look no further than the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority.

For years Vegas has been trying to buy one of those Super Bowl spots that are all the rage with the advertising community and their sponsors. And for years the NFL has been saying ?no.? But more than just refusing the request, the NFL makes no bones about why ? they consider Vegas to be dirty, and want no part of Sin City.

Is this hypocritical? Of course. Everyone knows that without sports betting the NFL would finish far down in the ratings. And with its? drug scandals and criminals on its? rosters it?s not like the NFL is squeaky clean itself, it?s not like they?re the Catholic Church (OK, bad example and a cheap shot there, but that?s what the product of a forced 8 years of Catholic school will get ya).
But the NFL owns the ball and they call the shots. They say you?re out and you just have to take it, right?

Not exactly. You can be stupid and do what Vegas did. The Convention Authority hired Las Vegas based ad agency R&R Partners. They put together a commercial telling the world all about the excitement surrounding the Super Bowl, the fans, the parties, the plays, the cheering, and the action ? then ended the spot by saying ?if only it was this exciting at the game in Houston.?

Then, as if this laughable attempt to make Vegas bigger than the actual event itself wasn?t ridiculous enough, as if this slap in the NFL?s face wasn?t sufficient enough to show them who was the boss, they found a loophole to exploit to get it televised in outside markets. Though they were again denied a national spot during the game, or the week leading up to it, they bought local spots in a few major markets, such as Los Angeles and New York.
They thought they were clever to rain on the NFL?s parade in this way. But the NFL retaliated. Instead of raining on Vegas? parade the NFL pissed all over it ? by hurting Vegas the only way you can ? they reached their customers. They angered the tourists who flew in for the parties.

Since the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority is supposed to bring customers IN, and since the end result of their ignorance only succeeded in driving people OUT (you think the people who had their parties cancelled at the last minute are going to come to Vegas for the game next year?) a scapegoat was needed. And the blame was placed on the mean old NFL for being party poopers. Not quite the case, but better than accepting responsibility for the monumentally stupid act of pissing off the life-blood of Vegas, the tourists.

The other spin put on this was that the LVCVA and R&R Partners knew what they were doing by taking on the NFL in this manner. They hinted that it was a brilliant, planned move to create a buzz and gain free publicity as other media picked up on the controversy. Of course they are hoping no one asks the question, ?so what you?re saying is you allowed tourists to fly here to attend Super Bowl parties that you knew would be cancelled by the NFL? And, at the same time, in one fell swoop, ensured that we have zero chance of getting a Super Bowl spot for the next God knows how many years??
Yes, I?d say that was brilliant.

A long time ago there was only one phone company ? Ma Bell. It was ruled in the courts to be an illegal monopoly and was forced to break up. The NFL was also found guilty of being an illegal monopoly and you know what the plaintiffs got? The USFL was awarded one dollar in damages. That?s one greenback with Washington?s picture on it, four quarters, ten dimes, or one hundred pennies ? take it anyway you want and thank you for coming to court.
The phone company had to break up, the NFL was fined a dollar. Never underestimate the power of the NFL.

Vegas underestimated them and paid the price. By next year the NFL will close the loophole by leaning on the local markets. Instead of waiting patiently and trying to work with the NFL the city of Las Vegas took them on. They not only got spanked in public but also killed any possible chance of getting a Super Bowl spot in the future.

Whoever made the call at the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority to make those ads and buy the local spots should be fired, then tarred and feathered and run out of town. But he won?t be. Not too many even realize who is really to blame for the fiasco.
Las Vegas mayor Oscar Goodman had threatened to file suit against the NFL but has since backed off. They have no case and it would be an expensive loss of money that could be better spent elsewhere. For starters they could look into who authorized the expenditure to R & R and it?s President Billy Vassiliadis for Super Bowl ads that had no chance of ever running during the Super Bowl, ads they KNEW the NFL would NEVER run.
Then again, better not. Don?t want to chance having the LVCVA end up replacing any members like our city council had to in the Galardi scandal??.
 

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Sonny-

Nice to see ya here, LOL! Too bad I am stilled banned at your place, and for nothing. Not a knock, as we have e-mailed each other about this...but nonetheless I show displeasure for the EE mod.

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LOL!! I also just completed reading part 1 and wanted to reassure you that I am not posting this to cause an issue as I see you found in part 1, but I do have reason for my comments.

Thanks for the share, and quite possibly you may see me there next year, as I would like to meet you. I am easy to recognize, just look left. LOL!

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Shall I find your e-mail to me stating that it was the observation of EE that I might be soliciting. (Something to that effect.)

My username there was TheSportsInfo, and I posted a question as I did several places looking for a Fantasy Football site, since there was a numerous amount...that pretty much sums up the thread right there. I was then attacked for not knowing that information, when indeed i was searching for more sites. Other than yahoo FF etc....

Pretty simple, and I know your rules and how tey are preached, and I know your site well. Like I said "no beef" but I was disappointed with the mod, because the rules were not broken. Period!

No big deal, but you never get better without honest assessments. That is my assessment.

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It's a year away but I am commiting now that I will be there (as long as I'm still living in Vegas; I plan on retiring to Florida one of these days, and family just bought beach front in Costa, but I plan on working here at least 2-3 more years).
Try and make the party and we'll meet there.
 
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LV made out like a bandit!

LV made out like a bandit!

only about 7 SB parties got cancelled. Few patrons were "pissed" as there were many dozens of other parties to attend, and they believed the blame lies on NFL. The LVCVA spun it well.

Huge airport security lines will piss them off in a way that will ensure they won't come back.


you're right tho, NFL will never allow LV ads and LVCVA won't hurt any future compromise on this as NFL ain't gonna compromise before or after this latest tif. "Waiting patiently" got nowhere for decades and has no future.


the Mayor hasn't backed off his desire to sue NFL, he renewed his call for it on Feb. 10. But he's not the one to sue and better heads will prevail as did last year (after more publicity).

most books want controversy to cool off as NFL could shut down satellite broadcasts of games in the books. But if they tried that then there will be a lawsuit.


I think LVCVA is smart in searching for loopholes and then getting tens of millions of dollars in free advertising when hypocritical NFL retaliates.

The unexpected huge record handle books took in on this year's SB a product of that.
 

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good counterpoints, thanks;
I on;y spoke with a few tourists, all pissed at the inconvenience as many other parties were sold out; and I spoke to the books who got cancelled and I know who they blame.

and I'm a Palermo - I read Puzo's 'Las Vegas' too........
 
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I was attempting to find the archived e-mail. and apparently it has been deleted. SO you know that I have it, it was something at sonny@sierra.(something) I thought if my memory serves me there is more to it than just the .com.

Since you are inquiring or "biting" in your terms, and you have the time I will share with you my reasons.

Have you ever been kicked out from an establishment for not doing anything? If so you might understand my feelings.

It's a slap in the face, anger sets in, and then overwhelming resentment. Not because of the loss of use of your site, I have my own (I believe you know that) but because of the shadow that was cast that is not representative of the individual. That to me is personal! I am a HUGE character guy, a banning at any establishment would garner these feelings not just yours. Ask people around that have intereacted with me, you wil find the same thing. Hell, ask Jack. Even more ask him if I have ever broke his rules, and I have been with him awhile, even before I found your spot.

As for wasting space here. You have entered the General Discussion Zone at MJ's where wasted space sometimes is the middle name. One just has to look at a Nick Douglas "Beat the Pro" thread for that. (LOL! CAlm down Nick Just kidding.) But this is the place in the forum for these types of discussions, as they make for great viewing. That of course is my opinion.

So you bit, I threw in my two cents, but really did not do any of the things that you mentioned a banned poster typically does. I wonder why that is? Possibly that the EE mods were wrong, and quite possibly jumped to a conclusion.

Again, I have those same feelings, but I am not looking for a reinstatement to the forum. Just an apology from the "EE mod" Jeff or something like that, memory is starting to fail me as well on his name.

I have seen you blast meany a different person with many different names, I understand that problem and have experienced it. But in this case, your "team" got it wrong. My response to you at all in here may have been a knee-jerk reaction to the surprise of seeing you here. Nonetheless, I typed the words, and got my thoughts out.

TSI
 

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Thanks for the earlier response before my last post. We had communicated a couple of times, and the banning happened when you were out of town or something. I was not issued a letter, I was just deleted if you will. I had went to the site, and noticed all my infor was gone and the thread, kind found out I was banned that way, I then e-mail you immediately and you repsonded when you got back stating you would look into it, and you then gave me the information I already shared.

Just wanted to make sure that I was heard. I am not one to consistenly e-mail someone for something, not my style and I am not a complainer. But seeing your name and post, I thought I would respond with my thoughts.

Thanks for sharing yours!


TSI

And yes I was there for awile before you changed the look and everything. When that treansfer was done my original information did not transfer for some reason, so I reregistered and it was then that I was also told to be careful since I now had a site. So I already knew the situation about promotion or what have you, but in this scenarion I was looking for information from every forum. Heck there are archives here with that same question... LOL!!


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sorry about that, misconception and communciation of moderators.
 

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Sonny,

Thanks for posting your thoughts on this as they are always compelling and though-provoking. They definitely miscalculated when they shoved out that ad campaign and I agree with you. They paid for it. Or they *will* pay for it next year and in future years, at least as far as 'trusting' SB parties goes. Naturally, people that were already out there, or on their way, were still going to contribute to Las Vegas, but that doesn't mean that they'll 'fall for it' again.

That said, i'm not sure that the NFL is still not at least 50% to blame. First for their incredible hypocrisy of not accepting ads about Las Vegas and then for their bullying tactics regarding Super Bowl parties(wtf). Give me a break. While a certain faction won't sign up for these parties at these hotels again, Vegas will still be at 98% every year for that weekend.

On another note, I have no idea what happened at EE with dogface . I will mention that he seems like a good guy, but he comes very close to the line here all the time as far as promoting his site and that has been commented on by various posters. This is a fairly strict board, as far as promoting sites goes, and yours is more so. Dogface's actions probably fall in between somewhere.

Whatever. If I recall, somewhere along the line, you owe me a barbeque dinner that you offered that i've never taken you up on.

Take care man,

Matt
 
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