Yep, Arizona didnt belong

[gjn23]

gjn, could have gone either way. They may deserve over others, maybe not. A very, very average season, and that is being generous.

That said, a sincere good luck the rest of the way, unless they play UNC.

thanks

their average season was better than anybody else's average season....ncaa had to take 65 and arizona was the right call over the others left out.

sdsu/st marys were next in line.....but i think i've seen enough of the mwc to know that their teams are absolute horseshit when up against the power conf.

 

[gjn23]

People argued AZ didn't belong in the tournament and they probably wound up w/the easiest road to the Sweet 16.

I see them as a huge go-against next round.

probably be catching double digits to lousiville the #1 seed in the tourney and should get wacked

hey, just like in the 1997 sweet 16 vs cryin roy and unbeatable kansas jayhawks

:mj06:

 

[TouchdownJesus]

The main one I would argue would be St Mary's but either argument, it would be close and there are other teams, like Mich, who they could have replaced.

At the end of the day, you can't really say Arizona shouldn't be in, and if they hadn't gotten in, you couldn't really argue that they should be in. They were a bubble team and got in.

Last year was a joke though. AriSt clearly should have been in over them.

Looking forward to "Christmas, Part 2" starting Thursday. Lets get this work week over with and get back to basketball!!!

 

[TouchdownJesus]

You almost got a Sienna win. So close.

 

[TouchdownJesus]

On another note with teams deserving....Maryland had no business in the tourney. Below .500 in conference has no business playing for nat'l title.

I really wish conf tourney had no bearing on post-season. To me, its one last chance to get in after the reg season. That's all it should be.

I don't think you should call your tourney champ the conf winners and I don't think how you do should be involved in the selection process, except that you get an auto-bid if you win it.

 

[gjn23]

conf tourneys are a joke, esp for small conf where the best teams all season long get penalized having to win 2-3 more games to get the only invite from that conf.

as for last year....arizona had the #1 or #3 sos and #1 ooc sos....asu's was horrible.

the message has been clear for a while.....overall record and 20+ wins are irrelevant if you have an ooc schedule like asu last year or penn state this year.....that's why those teams dont deserve to make it.

 

[Sun Tzu]

Funny thing is with all the off court issues and what has been accomplished the Az coach has ZERO chance of retaining his job

 

[gjn23]

Funny thing is with all the off court issues and what has been accomplished the Az coach has ZERO chance of retaining his job

yep. however he could make a shit load of money broadcasting at espn with a run to the final 4

 

[Hucklebuck]

Sdsu should have been in over az. Sdsu was forced to play their 2 biggest ooc games, asu and u of a without their best player lo wade. Sdsu also played much better down the stretch especially in mwc tournament. They beat fellow bubble squad unlv, on the rebels homecourt, and then a tourney team in byu.

Az had a chance to improve their resume and lost 5 of 6 including a "must win" game vs rival asu and that game wasn't close. If you take away the names and compare the resumes of sdsu and u of a, it's not even close. Az rpi is currently double that of sdsu.

 

[Sun Tzu]

RPI isnt the all end all - but IT IS an analysis of the quality of schedule and how you played. One can argue about how a schedule looks on its face - but RPI is an objective analysis and obviously Az' schedule/performance when evaluated statistically was not as good as SDST. In fact there were 13 teams with better RPIs than ASz that didnt get in.

For the criteria that are normally looked at as most important -RPI, performance last 10 games, road wins - Zona had no real case. They had two very good home wins v Zaga and Kansas and the NCAA went with that. It seems as if they simply looked for a criteria to let Zona in-just like last year.

 

[Destructor D]

I have a few friends who are Arizona alums and they all realize they were lucky to make the tournament. To say they deserved it when 13 teams had a RPI and they finished 1-5 is a blatant homer.

Now they're in the dance, maybe they'll meet Kansas again:mj06: :toast:

 

[gjn23]

rpi is one tool and it's becoming less important once your outside the top 30

wins in the last 10 has always been a ridiculous argument...it's a 30 game season and the teams from the loser conf will have played a bunch of losers IN that conf so they should have a better last 10 game record.

wins vs other tourney teams or wins vs top 50 rpi AND losses vs teams outside the top 100 rpi IS what they should and NOW look at.

were we lucky to get in?

no luckier that minny-mich-wisc-maryland but hands down, arizona was clearly the superior team in those two categories over every other "bubble team" that didnt make it.

do you mean the sdsu team that arizona beat?

or the sdsu team that played such stellar teams as :

western carolina
ucsd
seattle
hampton
northern colorodo
ucsb
ark pine bluff

in addition to the dregs of the mwc???

they played 3 good teams in their ooc schedule...arizona, asu, st marys....and lost all three.

sorry, next in line and probably behind st marys (although i think sdsu might be a better team)

BUT

we might get a chance to find out this week in the elite 8 of the nit!

 

[Hucklebuck]

So how about az's loss to unlv? A team sdsu was 3-0 against, 2 of the games being in vegas.

Az's ooc also had
Fau
Miss valley st
Nau
Loyola marymount
Weber st

Everyone plays some ooc patsies. When the chips were down u of a didn't step up to the plate and they were somehow rewarded with the least athletic 5 seed in the tournament.

 

[TouchdownJesus]

To me, conf record is the most important thing. Especially if it comes down to 2 teams in the same conference.

You can't always control your SOS, to an extent you can but what if you schedule good teams that have down years, etc.

I put a lot of stock in conf record, esp in the Pac-10 b/c they play every team twice. What more do you want. ASU was a game better than Ari last year after 18 games of the exact same opponents. Case closed.

I agree that conf tourneys suck in a lot of ways. Especially in the smaller conferences. They get one bid and the whole season comes down to 3 days. Why play the regular season?

I wish there was a way that the conf tourneys were more about one last chance for all teams and maybe there could something like ACC/SEC taking all the non-dance teams and playing a tourney to get an auto bid. Of course that won't happen, but its better than having shady refereeing trying to get a team in to make more money for the conf....ala Miss St and USC...

 

[gjn23]

So how about az's loss to unlv? A team sdsu was 3-0 against, 2 of the games being in vegas.

Az's ooc also had
Fau
Miss valley st
Nau
Loyola marymount
Weber st

Everyone plays some ooc patsies. When the chips were down u of a didn't step up to the plate and they were somehow rewarded with the least athletic 5 seed in the tournament.

blah-blah-blah

name me the last time the mwc won a game in the tourney as an at-large invite???

they get rolled, every year.....that conf should be a 2 bid conf MAX....it's got some horrible teams every year

colo state-wyoming-air force-tcu????

terrible