Yet another reason CRIS is the best
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There are only 2 books that can possibly be considered for "best baseball book": WWTS and CRIS. They were the only two (at least that I know of) that offered 4 1/2 inning lines at 20 cents juice. That is the best value you will find in baseball. If you only decide to use one book for baseball, you are costing yourself money by not taking advantage of 4 1/2 inning wagers (especially totals).
While on the topic of books, I want to throw two more things out there....
PARLAY BETTORS:
Try Infinity. They offer 7 to 1 odds on 3 team parlays, which is the equivalent of betting each game with no juice. If you are a person who plays 3 team parlays you absolutely should give Infinity a look.
TEASER BETTORS:
Millenium offers tremendous teaser odds. 5 points instead of 4 on standard -110 two team basketball teasers and great odds on other teasers as well.
FREE DEPOSITS AND WITHDRAWLS:
Can't beat VIP or Gameday. I haven't played at either in a while but last time I did they offered free withdrawls via Neteller. WSEX offers one free every 10 days as well.
DEPOSITS DIRECTLY FROM YOUR CHECKING ACCOUNT:
CRIS now has this as an option. I know there are people who get leery about ideas like this but personally, I like it. You do have to wait 10 business days to make a withdrawl.
REDUCED JUICE:
Pinnacle is the best. Sirbet offers -108 on sides (I forget if they do on totals). Bestlinesports offers -108 as well. Gibraltar offers -107 from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. EST. Canbet offers -107 full time, but has the worst moneyline odds of any MJ's sponsor.
PROP BETS:
Olympic and 5 Dimes. Enough said there.
UNSAFE DEPOSITS:
Royal.
IDENTICAL LINES:
V-Wager, MVP, Beverly Hills Bookie.
Millenium and Gibraltar.
EUROPEAN SOCCER:
Pinnacle and Canbet are probably the best here. Other books like CRIS and Olympic might give you a good line here or there but with Pinnacle and Canbet you get the lowest vig.
TENNIS AND GOLF:
I don't bet these sports but I've heard 5 Dimes and Pinnacle are good outs. Maybe Olympic?
While on the topic of books, I want to throw two more things out there....
PARLAY BETTORS:
Try Infinity. They offer 7 to 1 odds on 3 team parlays, which is the equivalent of betting each game with no juice. If you are a person who plays 3 team parlays you absolutely should give Infinity a look.
TEASER BETTORS:
Millenium offers tremendous teaser odds. 5 points instead of 4 on standard -110 two team basketball teasers and great odds on other teasers as well.
FREE DEPOSITS AND WITHDRAWLS:
Can't beat VIP or Gameday. I haven't played at either in a while but last time I did they offered free withdrawls via Neteller. WSEX offers one free every 10 days as well.
DEPOSITS DIRECTLY FROM YOUR CHECKING ACCOUNT:
CRIS now has this as an option. I know there are people who get leery about ideas like this but personally, I like it. You do have to wait 10 business days to make a withdrawl.
REDUCED JUICE:
Pinnacle is the best. Sirbet offers -108 on sides (I forget if they do on totals). Bestlinesports offers -108 as well. Gibraltar offers -107 from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. EST. Canbet offers -107 full time, but has the worst moneyline odds of any MJ's sponsor.
PROP BETS:
Olympic and 5 Dimes. Enough said there.
UNSAFE DEPOSITS:
Royal.
IDENTICAL LINES:
V-Wager, MVP, Beverly Hills Bookie.
Millenium and Gibraltar.
EUROPEAN SOCCER:
Pinnacle and Canbet are probably the best here. Other books like CRIS and Olympic might give you a good line here or there but with Pinnacle and Canbet you get the lowest vig.
TENNIS AND GOLF:
I don't bet these sports but I've heard 5 Dimes and Pinnacle are good outs. Maybe Olympic?
I respectfully disagree with you in your assumptions that WWTS and CRIS are the best. I know its pinnacle. You say tomato I say tomatto. Its like butting heads, but at least a good discussion. You are now bringing teasers and parlays and of all thing 4.5 inning bets. You might like to play games like that and not a knock if you do. Winning any of those bets pay just like any other bet. Then you talk about withdraw options and soccer and stuff. I'm sure you know your books and not trying to argue with you.
Plain and simple and not taking into account props and half game lines and such....if you just want to bet a baseball game or side and not whether the game will land on an odd or even number pinnacle is the best. They offer the fairest prices bar none.
Plain and simple and not taking into account props and half game lines and such....if you just want to bet a baseball game or side and not whether the game will land on an odd or even number pinnacle is the best. They offer the fairest prices bar none.
I'd love to hear quotes from people on how much money they actually won betting Pinnacle's baseball lines the last few years. Or even last year.
Pinnacle is the toughest book to beat and sending squares there is like sending a lamb into the lion's den. You can't look at the vig, you have to look at the number of soft lines a book offers. That is where the value is. Pinnacle offers fewer soft lines than any other book.
BDB, you misread my comments. My only comment refuting Pinnacle as best baseball book was the comment about WWTS and CRIS offering 4 1/2 inning lines. I can't see how one could recommend a book as best baseball book that doesn't even offer those bets.
To give an analogy, I love betting at BC Bets because they pay fast and they always seem to have unique lines. They also have about the lowest selection of bettable sports I have seen. I would never call them one of the best books because they simply do not offer enough bet options to compete with Pinnacle, Olympic, etc. To me, however, they are better. It is one thing to say *you* like Pinnacle better but it is quite another to call them *the best* when they don't even offer one of the most valuable baseball betting options around.
Pinnacle is the toughest book to beat and sending squares there is like sending a lamb into the lion's den. You can't look at the vig, you have to look at the number of soft lines a book offers. That is where the value is. Pinnacle offers fewer soft lines than any other book.
BDB, you misread my comments. My only comment refuting Pinnacle as best baseball book was the comment about WWTS and CRIS offering 4 1/2 inning lines. I can't see how one could recommend a book as best baseball book that doesn't even offer those bets.
To give an analogy, I love betting at BC Bets because they pay fast and they always seem to have unique lines. They also have about the lowest selection of bettable sports I have seen. I would never call them one of the best books because they simply do not offer enough bet options to compete with Pinnacle, Olympic, etc. To me, however, they are better. It is one thing to say *you* like Pinnacle better but it is quite another to call them *the best* when they don't even offer one of the most valuable baseball betting options around.
Nick Douglas said:
This is very true for sports like football and basketball. Four-teamers paid 13-1. But if I'm not mistaken, they have a cap on the payouts for baseball parlays. I know someone here had a problem with that (I think it was yyz), so he could explain better. But I think it dealt with the confirmation page saying he'd get one payout, and then, after winning it, changed it to a lower payout because of the cap. Combined with the 20-cent line, Infinity is definately a stay-away book for baseball IMO.
I wouldn't play at Infinity for baseball, either. The deal on parlays for spread sports can't be beat, though.
there is a question i got with pinnacle, during baseball season pinnacle is horrid to get your plays in an hour before starts... does anybody know if that problems been fixed..OVERLOAD big time...
I've won plenty of money at pinn. I guess this is cyberland so you have to take my word for it, but well over 10k last year from bases. Paid on time and in full.
Once again it is always a matter of personal preference. You Nick might have a horrible baseball record on games and totals. But a great record at 4.5 inning bets. What difference does it make as long as you make money. People who are serious about this are here for the money. If you want to bet just so you can watch something on tv then you are doing this for the wrong reason. I bet when i find value and i would bet chess if I had an edge.
Personally, I don't think that a 4.5 inning play is one of the most valuable betting options. It would be different if they put a line up in the middle of the fourth and let us have at it for 2 and a half minutes. But just because you have personal success at it doesnt make it one of the most valuable betting options. Lines are adjusted and they are just as hard to beat as game lines in any sport. I have no success because I won't bet them, or props or anything else. But what works for me may not work for you.and what works for you may not work with me.
As for sending a novice to pinnacle I have no problem with sending a $50 bettor their because in general $50 bettors stick with one book and don't shop around anyway. At least over the course of the season I know their money will be safe and over 162 games they will be getting the best vig for their money. I never said pinn wasn't as sharp as it comes, but its as beatable as any other book out there. Just depends when and what you play.
As for real value that no other book to my knowledge offers, try overnight cubs totals only offered at pinn.
Just reread my post and I sound like a pinnacle shill. I assure you I'm not. I give them little to no action during off baseball season. I use oly and locals for that. I never said nothing about CRIS being bad or anything its just my personal opinion that I like and can argue one book is the best.
Great minds don't have to necessarily think alike.
Best of luck to you this season.
Once again it is always a matter of personal preference. You Nick might have a horrible baseball record on games and totals. But a great record at 4.5 inning bets. What difference does it make as long as you make money. People who are serious about this are here for the money. If you want to bet just so you can watch something on tv then you are doing this for the wrong reason. I bet when i find value and i would bet chess if I had an edge.
Personally, I don't think that a 4.5 inning play is one of the most valuable betting options. It would be different if they put a line up in the middle of the fourth and let us have at it for 2 and a half minutes. But just because you have personal success at it doesnt make it one of the most valuable betting options. Lines are adjusted and they are just as hard to beat as game lines in any sport. I have no success because I won't bet them, or props or anything else. But what works for me may not work for you.and what works for you may not work with me.
As for sending a novice to pinnacle I have no problem with sending a $50 bettor their because in general $50 bettors stick with one book and don't shop around anyway. At least over the course of the season I know their money will be safe and over 162 games they will be getting the best vig for their money. I never said pinn wasn't as sharp as it comes, but its as beatable as any other book out there. Just depends when and what you play.
As for real value that no other book to my knowledge offers, try overnight cubs totals only offered at pinn.
Just reread my post and I sound like a pinnacle shill. I assure you I'm not. I give them little to no action during off baseball season. I use oly and locals for that. I never said nothing about CRIS being bad or anything its just my personal opinion that I like and can argue one book is the best.
Great minds don't have to necessarily think alike.
Best of luck to you this season.
Bleed,
I think we'll just agree to disagree. 10 dimes is a very good profit, especially from Pinnacle. I feel confident in saying that a 10 dime profit from Pinnacle is the exception, not the rule. Pinnacle is one of the toughest, if not the toughest, books to beat.
I'm glad to see another good baseball handicapper added to the forum. I think I remember reading a post from you on season win totals and you appear to be a seasoned gambler.
I think we'll just agree to disagree. 10 dimes is a very good profit, especially from Pinnacle. I feel confident in saying that a 10 dime profit from Pinnacle is the exception, not the rule. Pinnacle is one of the toughest, if not the toughest, books to beat.
I'm glad to see another good baseball handicapper added to the forum. I think I remember reading a post from you on season win totals and you appear to be a seasoned gambler.
Nick Douglas said:
Which book is tougher is in your head. The key is to get multiple books and compare lines. I do this, and have 7 outs. And Pinnacle gets the majority of my action because they have the lowest juice. CRIS is an okay book, but they deal higher juice, and they don't get as much of my action.
And CRIS wont honor their bonus promo. If ya hit them too hard. I found this out the hard way back in 1998.
Much better dime line books out there IMO. I wont mention names because most do not sponsor here. But I will list the sponsored books I would use, have and will use for bases over CRIS anyday.
1. 5 Dimes
2. VIP
3. BetJamaica
4. Gameday...though they limit your max wager rather quickly
5. Pinnacle SHARPEST BOOK OUT THERE BAR NONE!!!!
And yes I was also able to profit about 61 units out of Pinny LY.
Along with 5-8 other definites come this MLB season
Much better dime line books out there IMO. I wont mention names because most do not sponsor here. But I will list the sponsored books I would use, have and will use for bases over CRIS anyday.
1. 5 Dimes
2. VIP
3. BetJamaica
4. Gameday...though they limit your max wager rather quickly
5. Pinnacle SHARPEST BOOK OUT THERE BAR NONE!!!!
And yes I was also able to profit about 61 units out of Pinny LY.
Along with 5-8 other definites come this MLB season
if i would've bet the DOGS at pinnacle last year i would've made around 0.05-0.10 more every bet
