Young Tops Heisman Polls

[The Judge]

Texas quarterback Vince Young is making headway in the Heisman Trophy tracking polls. Young now leads Southern Cal?s Reggie Bush and Matt Leinart in the Scripps Howard News Service, ESPN.com and CBS SportsLine.com polls after this week?s voting.

In the USA Today poll, Reggie Bush of USC maintained his 1st place lead over Leinart and Young but both made up some ground on Bush who leads with five first place votes and 42 points. Leinart received three first place votes and 40 points with Young getting the two remaining first place votes and a total of 38 points.

Young new leader in SHNS Heisman Poll
By: Scripps Howard News Service ? Nov. 1,2005

Texas quarterback Vince Young has taken over the top spot in the Scripps Howard News Service Heisman Trophy Poll.

This is the first week this season a player from defending national-champion Southern California has not been atop the poll with running back Reggie Bush, who is four points behind, dropping to second and reigning Heisman winner QB Matt Leinart remaining third. Young had a whopping 506 yards of total offense in rallying the Longhorns to a 47-28 win at Oklahoma State Saturday night.

There is no change in the fourth and fifth spots with Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn and UCLA running back Maurice Drew unable to gain ground on the leaders.

For the 19th consecutive year, the Rocky Mountain News in Denver is conducting a Heisman poll each week of the college football season.

There are 10 voters _ two from each of five regions in the country _ who vote for five players each week. The tabulations are made on a 5-4-3-2-1 basis, with five points for a first-place vote, four for a second-place vote, etc.

This week's poll, with statistics from the previous weekend of games (first-place votes are in parentheses):

Name, Pos. School, Last week, Points.
1. Vince Young, QB, Texas, 15-of-30, 239 yards passing, 2 TDs, 21 carries, 267 yards, 2 TD runs, 43 (5).

2. Reggie Bush, RB, USC, 17 carries, 97 yards, 39 (2).

3. Matt Leinart, QB, USC, 24-of-34, 364 yards, 3 TDs, 34 (3).

4. Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame, Did not play, 11.

5. Maurice Drew, RB, UCLA, 16 carries, 82 yards, 2 TDs; 87 yards receiving, 10.

Others receiving votes: Marcus Vick, QB, Virginia Tech, 6; Drew Olson, QB, UCLA, 3; DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis, 2; Brian Calhoun, RB, Wisconsin, 1; Brodie Croyle, QB, Alabama, 1.

The voters: Mark Blaudschun (The Boston Globe); Kirk Bohls (Austin, Texas, American-Statesman); Scott Cain (Arkansas Democrat-Gazette); Dennis Dodd (CBS Sportsline.com); Vahe Gregorian (St. Louis Post-Dispatch); Mike Griffith (Knoxville, Tenn., News Sentinel); Randy Holtz (Rocky Mountain News); John Lindsay (Scripps Howard News Service); John Rohde (The Oklahoman); and Bud Withers (The Seattle Times).

 

[pt1gard]

i dont know whos going to win, b/c reggie and vince are clearly deserving, but ironic Vince might get it b/c his team fell behind big at half to a squad they were favored by 35 pts, or whatever line was ... he looked great in 2nd half

 

[The Judge]

i dont know whos going to win, b/c reggie and vince are clearly deserving, but ironic Vince might get it b/c his team fell behind big at half to a squad they were favored by 35 pts, or whatever line was ... he looked great in 2nd half

His 80 yard touchdown after the pump-fake is being labeled as his "Heisman Moment" which many feel is a necessary ingredient of a sucessful Heisman campaign.

 

[flapjack]

When does the Heisman ceremony take place? I think it makes a huge difference this year as the USC-UCLA game is 12/3 and if voting is done by then, then I think Young has a huge advantage. If not, I think if either Leinart or Bush has a monster performance versus a top 5(maybe?) team in front of a national audience, then that person will take it. It will be a horse race this year no matter what.

 

[Lost Hillbilly]

I was leaning toward Bush myself, but after that game Sat. night with that pump fake, to me he is the single most imprortant player to his team by far. Whether or not that gets him the Heisman will still be close. Gotta figure if one of the two teams loses, the Heisman will go to the player who's team wins outright. If they both get it I believe Bush will win, but damn that Young is awesome. Wouldn't want to be a voter there.

 

[Scott4USC]

I think people are forgetting what a $hitty team Oklahoma St. is. That one guy on that ESPN tv show 1st and 10 agrees with me in that you shouldn't put much stock in what Young or Texas did against OSU.

Oklahoma St.
September 3 Montana State W 15-10
September 8 at Fla Atlantic W 23-3
September 17 Arkansas State W 20-10
October 1 Colorado L 34-0
October 8 Missouri L 38-31
October 15 at Texas A&M L 62-23
October 22 at Iowa State L 37-10
October 29 No. 2 Texas L 47-28

Sagarin has Oklahoma St. ranked #92 in CFB. This is a very very bad team. OSU would be winless if they played a decent OOC schedule.

Vince Youngs performance against Oklahoma St. or Reggie Bush/Matt Leinart's peformance against Notre Dame @ND in front of 30 million people? :mj03:

Don't get me wrong, Young is certainly deserving of the Heisman Trophy but I question anybody who would put Young #1 based on his performance against Oklahoma St.
BIG FAWKING DEAL!

 

[hedgehog]

Vince Young means more to Texas than Reggie Bush means to USC. Vince wins the Heisman hands down.

 

[Scott4USC]

Vince Young means more to Texas than Reggie Bush means to USC. Vince wins the Heisman hands down.

Heisman Trophy is suppose to go to the best player in college football. Not to the person who means more to his team. Young may be the best player in CFB and deserves the Heisman. He doesn't deserve it over Bush/Leinart because he means more to his team. Young shouldn't get it for making a big play against $hitty OSU team. That is my argument!

BTW, if you think "Vince wins the Heisman hands down" you can bet NO USC player wins the Heisman at +167 odds at Pinnacle!

 

[Dice34]

reggie is 1 to 1 odds to win it
vince is 2 to 1
Leinhart is 4 to 1
Maurice drew 40-1
Brady Quinn 60-1
Vick 75-1

 

[Scott4USC]

reggie is 1 to 1 odds to win it
vince is 2 to 1
Leinhart is 4 to 1
Maurice drew 40-1
Brady Quinn 60-1
Vick 75-1

Hedging opportunities starting to arise. Be on the lookout. Almost a sure bet either Leinart, Bush or Young win it.

Will USC player win the Heisman YES -190 (pinny)
Vince Young to win it +200

My guess is take Young +200 and wait for the USC YES prop to go down. Young should put up big #'s rest of season and create some momentum. USC players have higher probability of struggling to close out season @CAL, Fresno St. and UCLA.

Then again, do all this to make couple bucks. Is it worth it?

 

[pt1gard]

bush has won usc 4 or 5 games in 2 years (i think any ardent usc fan would agree) and had many such heisman snapshot moments as young's dash vs a crappy team ... not putting young down iin any sense (think hes awesome) but bush has saved usc's bacon many a time, and comparing that play to ones by bush isnt a quality analogy IMHO

 

[Scott4USC]

Good post pt1gard. I agree.

I think Bush's biggest game in his career was @V-Tech opening game of season. USC would have lost that game without Reggie Bush. USC had brand new OL, WR's, FB and TE on offense playing on the road against tough D. Bush stepped up in big way.

Bush's 2nd biggest game IMO was @ND this year. USC would have lost that game too without Bush. However, USC still would have themselves to blame because of 5 dropped wide open passes. Can't do that.

Bush's 3rd biggest game was @OU in BCS NC game. Not stats wise but he was used as a decoy and OU D fell for it. Their entire D was designed to stop Bush. USC coaching staff knew this and exploited it.

All in all, I think USC prob. would have 4 more losses without Reggie Bush.

The difference between Bush and Young is this. Stick Marcus Vick or that Bowling Green QB (Jacobs?) in Texas offense and Texas gets same results. No doubt in my mind. Take Reggie Bush out of USC's offense and stick anybody else in and you lose huge production. I think you can replace Young @Texas but you can't replace Bush @USC.

 

[greggraffin]

from an unbiased fan, some of the moves ive seen bush make and on some of the key 3rd downs where he's scrambled for the 1st or just made a big play, how could you not vote for this guy..if vince young wins this, this will be the biggest joke of an award

 

[Sun Tzu]

What a load of shit. Mr USC posts incessantly that the two deep of USC's offense are all first round draft picks yet the wolrd would come to an end without Bush. Geez...he just wrote 3 wweks ago WHite should be getting more of the carries.

One can certainlya rgue Bush is the better player. But the idea that he means more to USC than Young does to Texas is absurd.

 

[Scott4USC]

What a load of shit.

:nooo:

Mr USC posts incessantly that the two deep of USC's offense are all first round draft picks yet the wolrd would come to an end without Bush.

I posted that NFL scouts said every starting offensive player on USC will be drafted into the NFL. Scouts according to Collin Cowherd said the entire 2 deep on offense will be drafted by the NFL. Both opinions said WHEN they go to the NFL. Not all would be drafted NOW.

Geez...he just wrote 3 wweks ago WHite should be getting more of the carries.

I said that and still believe that. White is what makes the offense go. When White is involved the offense is unstoppable. He also softens the D up and Bush really takes off. I think I remember saying that before the Arizona St. game and Lendale happen to run for 197 yards and was the major reason for USC coming back! I do admit I had White on higher pedestal than Bush in terms of RB postition, but Bush has proven me wrong. White was stopped against ND and I did not think he would be stopped all year. Props to ND!

One can certainlya rgue Bush is the better player. But the idea that he means more to USC than Young does to Texas is absurd.

There is nobody in CFB that can do what Bush does for USC. I can name 2 QB's that could go to Texas and do what Young does. I don't think Texas would miss much if Vick or Jacobs was starting. Young is a great QB but Vick and Jacobs could do the same things @Texas. Especially against the competition Texas has faced this season.

 

[mjalam]

I don't think Texas would miss much if Vick or Jacobs was starting. Young is a great QB but Vick and Jacobs could do the same things @Texas. Especially against the competition Texas has faced this season.

you can throw brad smith in there as well

 

[Sun Tzu]

LMAO Brad Smith has gotten worse every year. He couldnt even beat New Mexico.

What does Young have now - Zip at WR and a freshman running back that cant saty healthy. He has a great line but the defens eknows it is him every play. He does it all by himself.

I am not the worlds' biggest Young fan and I am not sure if he has any NFL upside, or whether he is Heisman worthy, but these comments are just haters and not too surprisingly USC robots. The idea that any other black ruinning QB would fit right in is not just idiotic but also blatant racist stereotyping. And I promise I know a damn lot more about who would be good and effective as a Texas QB than you guys do.

As for competition take a look at which team has played the most Top 25 BCS teams and guess what - 4-0. USC with a nice 2-0. In fact 2-0 is the best you can find for anybody.

 

[Dice34]

:142hail:

Mine as well throw Marques Hagans, Michael Robinson, Dennis Dixon, Chris Leak, Reggie Ball in there too.

But quite frankly I think Perry Patterson would fit nicely in that Texas scheme and would prolly outperform Vince... :mj07:

 

[dr. freeze]

Young should win the Heisman for what he has done in spite of his coach

 

[The Judge]

Young may be the best player in CFB and deserves the Heisman.

Young is a great QB

I have to say that is refreshing to see that Scotty has done a 180 on Young since he posted the following garbage back in May:

Vince Young is a great runner but an average QB.

I watched Texas a lot. I would not want Young as my QB on my team. He is SUPERB athlete but not a QB. Majority of his "completed" passes are dump offs/short passes. I would NEVER rely on him throwing the ball down the field to win a game.

Force Texas to score by passing the ball. Young is a horrible QB. SUPERB athlete and runner, but he is not a QB.

Mack Brown and Texas don't have a complete offensive attack. It is not difficult to beat Texas with Young as QB. Stack the box and make him beat you "repeatedly" in the air.

Texas will try and pound the ball as usual and run there style of offense. No surpises or adjustments from Texas. Even if Texas is the better team, they will be ultra conservative in trying to win the game and not blow it. Texas also is always conservative to start games.

Texas doesn't run a complex offensive system. It is not even a balanced system. They are a very easy team to prepare for.

The comments about Texas? lack of a ?complete offensive attack?, their ?ultra conservative? offense and the ?fact? that they do not have a ?balanced attack? are more than a little humorous. You might want to reconsider the remark about how easy it is to beat Young. Seemingly all teams have to do is ?stack the box and make him beat you ?repeatedly? in the air.? :mj07:

Solid predictions Scooter and by the way, it's only November:

I have bookmarked this ridiculous statement so that I will have the opportunity to question you about it in December.

:scared