COME ON SERIOUSLY...
- Thread starter GoTerps
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This is the beauty of selective blindness, it's a wonderful thing. Losing gamblers and losing fans can never blame themselves or thier teams, it's always the officials or the fix is in.
The best team won, in all honesty it was not thier best performance of the playoffs, AND IT WAS STILL 11 POINTS BETTER THAN THE BEST THE NFC HAD TO OFFER!
The best team won, in all honesty it was not thier best performance of the playoffs, AND IT WAS STILL 11 POINTS BETTER THAN THE BEST THE NFC HAD TO OFFER!
selective blindness? steelers were flat out out played. i thought the seahawks got all of the calls. that was a tremedously officiated game.roethlisberger obviously scored on the goal line dive. jackson assaulted that pitt db in the end zone. haggans was never offside. hasselbeck was not touched when he fumbled. seattle held every play and clipped on every return. i think brown missed the field goal the refs gave him credit for. i think it was short. hasselbeck clipped the shit out of that pitt player. oh thats right he was making a tackle. well, whatever happened that was a god dam good call. pitt called the time out with 5 seconds left on play clock.
ZMAN said:
outplayed NOT EQUAL to outscored and the score is all that really matters in the end.
Not the first time, and DEFINATELY wont be the last time you see a team get "outplayed" and still win.
What still mystifies me is how stupid people were about this game at halftime. Everyone bet on the Seattle +0.5 cause they were "outplaying" the Steelers in every aspect of the game....YET, they were losing! What does that tell you?
They were getting killed by the refs in the first half, why would that change in the 2nd half? Yet people, still bet even more on Seattle and ended up getting taken for twice as much as they would have.
I brought up that what happens if the Steeler start playing good, like they have been? Well, we found out.
By the way, The only TD Seattle got is when they were set up on the 20 yard line. The field goal they got was when they were set up on the 49 yard line. So its not like they were really kicking ass all game anyway. When they had to go 80 yards or so, they did nothing.
They were getting killed by the refs in the first half, why would that change in the 2nd half? Yet people, still bet even more on Seattle and ended up getting taken for twice as much as they would have.
I brought up that what happens if the Steeler start playing good, like they have been? Well, we found out.
By the way, The only TD Seattle got is when they were set up on the 20 yard line. The field goal they got was when they were set up on the 49 yard line. So its not like they were really kicking ass all game anyway. When they had to go 80 yards or so, they did nothing.
Spalding said:
EXACTLY right...I just posted in another thread how I have yet to hear someone talk about PITTS DEFENSE and SEATTLE"S OFFENSIVE INEFFICIENCY!! Look at those 2 things before you blame someone else. Having the ball on the 30 or closer like 7 or 8 times and getting only ONE TOUCHDOWN is why they lost, not the refs
even if the refs favored the steelers, a real champion overcomes adversity and wins. pitt deserved it, nuff said.
Drive killing penalties. That is what hurt Seattle, not Pitts d. Whether those calls were justified is a whole different can of worms.
Spalding said:
Um, not exactly. The phantom holding call on Locklear occured on a drive that they started from their own 2. The Stevens catch would have put them first and goal from the 1. Maybe they wouldn't have scored on that drive, but I think they would have punched it in.
I don't take anything away from Pitt in this game. While they were far from spectacular, they made 3 huge plays on offense, and they made some big plays on defense.
As for Pitt being outplayed, I don't think that's even debateable. I do agree that stats don't mean crap when all is said and done, it's the final score that matters. HOWEVER, if you're team is going to outplay another team but throw the game away with penalties, turnovers, etc., I can live with that. It's when your team outplays another team and gets absolutely jobbed by the officials on multiple momentum-changing plays that it gets a bit hard to swallow.
I tell you what, I posted my message last night after drinking a lot. I wil say this, this win in my mind isn't as good as it should be. I think if you take all those bad calls out, and pitt had to play better, they would have. No question big ben struggled and seattle's offense line was awesome, but i also think pitt would have made plays to win. seattle played well enough at times to win but made a lot of mistakes, especially managing the clock. all in all, I am kinda glad the season is over because i can't handle drinking all day on sundays and then having to work early the next day
GoTerps said:
Good post Terps. First off, congrats on your team's win. I didn't mean for my post to come off the wrong way, I'm just still a little pissed about the officiating in that game. And I would also like to say that I haven't once said that Seattle would have won that game if those calls had not gone against them. All I've said is that I think it would have been a much tighter game and they would have at least had a CHANCE to win the game. And I completely agree with you... despite the bad calls Seattle still mismanaged the clock and let a few opportunities slip away. As much as the refs killed them, Stevens cost them some points with his drops too.
It's very possible that Pitt would have found a way to win that game anyway. I don't deny that. Another thing people aren't mentioning is that Manuel, Bernard and Dyson (3 defensive starters for Seattle) all had to leave the game with injuries.
Like I said though, congrats on the win. Pitt made big plays when they had to. Nobody can dispute that.
Thanks Quag. It feels good to end the year on a win. I personally hate the sb though. I think championship sunday is much better football.
Your post didnt at all come off wrong way. I think most of what people are saying on this board and other boards is pretty much right on the money. I dont think the game was fixed, but i hated to see seattle get hosed at some critical times during the game.
Your post didnt at all come off wrong way. I think most of what people are saying on this board and other boards is pretty much right on the money. I dont think the game was fixed, but i hated to see seattle get hosed at some critical times during the game.
Yeah Seattle got fawked on a couple calls the one holding but Jackson did push off...his hand make contact with the DB chest...and Jackson extended his arm...now the ref thats only about four yards away from the foul had to make the call when Jackson extended his arm...was it a pity pat call, yes...in the regular season the call could have gone either way...but Jackson should be blamed for even attempting the push off because he already had the DB out of position and would have caught the pass without even having to do that...I don't know what he was thinking...the game could have gone either way and the Hawks and their fans can't blame the refs...they need to look at the poor time management and the fact they let a WR whom played QB throw a TD pass...I mean come on is not like the Steelers run trick plays or anything...bottom line Seattle got beat and neither team really played that great
GoTerps said:
Agreed. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I don't think it was fixed either. I think the fact that it was practically a home game for Pitt may have had some influence. Refs typically favor the home teams in football games, whether it's subconcious or not.
thom24ad said:
Hey Thom,
Holy crap, we may actually disagree on something! After watching that game I can't, I simply can't say that Pitt is a better team than Seattle. Maybe they ARE a better team, but going by that game I can't say that they are. I think Seattle slightly outplayed them or, worst case scenario, it was an even game. Both teams made some big plays, it just so happened that most of Seattle's big plays were called back on penalties. Some were questionable, some were just downright awful in my opinion.
Trust me, I would have much preferred it if Pitt had won by 30 points. At least that way I could confidently say that the better team won and bad calls couldn't have made a difference. Unfortunately that didn't happen. And I don't want this to come off like sour grapes. Yes I'm a Seattle fan, but I was the first to admit that they got outplayed by teams like the Giants and Cowboys and deserved to lose both of those games. I'm not saying for one second that Seattle would have won if the game had been officiated more evenly, but I think they would have a great chance. Hell, even if you only take that one holding call away (in which Pitt looked to be offsides too, by the way) Seattle would have had the ball first and goal at the 1 in a 14-10 game. The questionable penalties that were called on Seattle were HUGE momentum killers. They weren't 5 yard offsides penalties, they were penalties that completely altered the course of the game.
I'll admit that the Jackson call was iffy. I personally didn't really think he pushed off. He definitely had his hand on the guy's chest though, and the ref was standing right there. What really pissed me off about that play was seeing the ref not throw the flag immediately, then after seeing the Pitt player complain he decides to throw the flag. There was also a lot of indecision on the Big Ben TD. The ref came in to spot the ball and signalled 4th down, but then he called it a TD after the play was dead?? Replay showed Ben was actually pushed further back after he was tackled. What exactly did the ref see there?!
Again, I'm the first to admit that Seattle missed some opportunities and Pitt took advantage of theirs. However, that doesn't make up for the fact that the officials completely dropped the ball in this game. Seattle should be held accountable for their mistakes but the officials should be for theirs as well. It would have been nice to see the two teams determine the outcome. I'm not so sure that happened.
Well thought out reply but shockingly we are disagreeing on the push off...he had the Steelers DB already out of position and there was no need for the contact...which is maybe the reason the ref made the call...but honestly both teams really played like chit...and Pitts D did have I think couple drop INTs...but any how the game is won or lost on big plays and if Seattle was such the better team the refs wouldn't have even played a factor...both teams were pretty even IMO...and if Seattle's defense doesn't let Pitts WR throw a TD its still a 4 point ball game...that was the key play in mind for that game plus missed FGs and WTF was that before the half...neither team looked that great nor did I think one team was far better then the other...I don't know after seeing that crowd before the game I just kind of thought and had the feeling it was going to go Pitts way in which it did
SEATTLE was obviously the SUCKER BET. SQUARES were licking their DICKS when they saw a #1 seed getting points to a lowly #6. Action was close to even by game time as more and more SQUARES were popping SEATTLE. THE REAL SUCKERS are those that feel they need to bet their LOAD because its the SB instead of keeping within the framework of their money management program. Bets are taken 365 days a year. The SB was no different. PITTSBURGH did get more breaks, but Seattle also had the chances. A True CHAMPION overcomes those things like PIT did in INDY. Where the worst call in NFL history was made. The bottom line is Seattle didnt SACK UP. THE TRUE TURNING POINT of the game was Hasselbachs INT down 14-10. Their clock management blew balls. Pittsburgh held Alex in check all DAY. They dropped passes. They couldnt convert 3rd downs for DICK. While pit converted over 50% of theirs. They couldn't beat a Steelers team that clearly played their C game or worse. Outplayed??? Seattle looked like a high school team running their 2 minute drills. They wont even finish in the playoffs next year. Well if they were in the AFC they wouldn't.
GO STEELERS
SUPERBOWL CHAMPS!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO STEELERS
SUPERBOWL CHAMPS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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thom24ad said:
I've heard a lot of people use the argument that Seattle should take the blame, not the refs, because they missed a lot of opportunities. Here's why I disagree with that premise... you're basically implying that refs only need to be held accountable for their actions if a team plays a FLAWLESS game. So what if Seattle made mistakes? Didn't Pitt make mistakes too? Yes, Seattle could have played better and they made some mistakes that cost them dearly. I just don't understand why that means it's somehow ok for the refs to completely crap the bed and not do their jobs properly. It's not right for ANY team to have to face an uphill battle in a game because the refs are dictating the flow of the game and calling everything in a one-sided manner. I don't care how poorly a team is playing, the refs should not play a big part in the outcome of a game, especially the SB.
Pitt made three very big plays in that game. Do you mean to tell me that if every one of those plays had been called back by the refs on questionable, at best, calls, that Pitt fans wouldn't be pissed? Do you think their reaction would be "Well, Big Ben should have been played better and our running game never really get going." I don't think so. Hell, Joey Porter's head would have exploded if he was on the Seahawks and got jobbed like that.
Let me reiterate, I'm taking NOTHING away from Pitt. They made plays when they had to. I give them nothing but credit. I also put a big portion of the blame on Seattle for not capitalizing on opportunities. I just don't think it's reasonable to absolve the refs of any liability. They played a huge part in the outcome of that game, and the officiating in the NFL in general is becoming about as good as boxing judges. Hopefully some good can come of this and the NFL will actually sack up and take responsibility and make some changes. I HOPE that actually happens...
Glenn, your post is right on; it is a shame that bad oficiating happened in that game, the superbowl.
Seattle had alot of bad calls esp on every big play. that game disgusted me
Seattle had alot of bad calls esp on every big play. that game disgusted me
