DTB, I totally agree and was just kidding around. I am sure there will be enough wagering amongst ourselves that we don't need to pay any juice. We need to play some time, only an hour apart. What is your normal track up there? I played some public course a couple of times in a scramble and they did not like it when we shot -21 and -22 two consecutive years and then was asked not to come back:mj07: