help settle a bet

[MadJack]

On the opening kickoff of yesterday's ALA/FLA game, the ball rolled into the end zone untouched.

I said WTF is he doing, he should cover that ball. The guy next to me said that if the ball isn't touched by the receiving team it's a touchback and comes out to the 20. I called BS.

So, he has his laptop with him he's there every week with his LT. Anyway, he looks up the NCAA rule book and proves to me that he is correct. Okay, I say, but that's not the rule in the NFL and he says it is. I call BS again and this time he can't prove it. He can't find the rule. It seems to me I've seen teams score like that before.

Another thing; on that opening kickoff in the bama game, I said suppose the ball came to rest on the 1 yard line, and he says it's bama ball. BULLSHIT, that's a free and live ball and can be recovered by the kickoff team but not advanced. He couldn't find the rule for that either.

What's the rule?

TIA

 

[Morris]

I always thought it was a live ball on kickoffs. Pretty sure it is both college and pros.

 

[MadJack]

I always thought it was a live ball on kickoffs. Pretty sure it is both college and pros.

in college if it goes into the end zone untouched it's a touchback. he proved that but could not prove the others.

it's like an onsides kick, it's a live ball, i'm sure of it but can't find the rule.

in the NFL i'm pretty sure it's a live ball in the end zone too.

 

[justin22g]

if the ball settles anywhere but the endzone on a kickoff then its a live ball.

You should be able to find the rule in the special teams or kickoff section:shrug:

I have no idea where to look, I have never looked up the rules before.

 

[IE]

Kickoff

1. In addition to a kickoff, the other free kick is a kick after a safety (safety kick). A punt may be used (a punt may not be used on a kickoff).
2. On a safety kick, the team scored upon puts ball in play by a punt, dropkick, or placekick without tee. No score can be made on a free kick following a safety, even if a series of penalties places team in position. (A field goal can be scored only on a play from scrimmage or a free kick after a fair catch.)
3. A kickoff may not score a field goal.
4. A kickoff is illegal unless it travels 10 yards OR is touched by the receiving team. Once the ball is touched by the receiving team or has gone 10 yards, it is a free ball. Receivers may recover and advance. Kicking team may recover but NOT advance UNLESS receiver had possession and lost the ball.
5. When a kickoff goes out of bounds between the goal lines without being touched by the receiving team, the ball belongs to the receivers 30 yards from the spot of the kick or at the out-of-bounds spot unless the ball went out-of-bounds the first time an onside kick was attempted. In this case, the kicking team is penalized five yards and the ball must be kicked again.
6. When a kickoff goes out of bounds between the goal lines and is touched last by receiving team, it is receiver?s ball at out-of-bounds spot.
7. If the kicking team either illegally kicks off out of bounds or is guilty of a short free kick on two or more consecutive onside kicks, receivers may take possession of the ball at the dead ball spot, out-of-bounds spot, or spot of illegal touch.

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/kickoff

 

[IE]

maybe something here:

http://www.ehow.com/about_4601823_end-zone-rules-nfl.html

 

[CANADA MAN]

4. A kickoff is illegal unless it travels 10 yards OR is touched by the receiving team. Once the ball is touched by the receiving team or has gone 10 yards, it is a free ball. Receivers may recover and advance. Kicking team may recover but NOT advance UNLESS receiver had possession and lost the ball.

5. When a kickoff goes out of bounds between the goal lines without being touched by the receiving team, the ball belongs to the receivers 30 yards from the spot of the kick or at the out-of-bounds spot unless the ball went out-of-bounds the first time an onside kick was attempted. In this case, the kicking team is penalized five yards and the ball must be kicked again.

6. When a kickoff goes out of bounds between the goal lines and is touched last by receiving team, it is receiver?s ball at out-of-bounds spot.

7. If the kicking team either illegally kicks off out of bounds or is guilty of a short free kick on two or more consecutive onside kicks, receivers may take possession of the ball at the dead ball spot, out-of-bounds spot, or spot of illegal touch.

 

[MadJack]

Kickoff

1. In addition to a kickoff, the other free kick is a kick after a safety (safety kick). A punt may be used (a punt may not be used on a kickoff).
2. On a safety kick, the team scored upon puts ball in play by a punt, dropkick, or placekick without tee. No score can be made on a free kick following a safety, even if a series of penalties places team in position. (A field goal can be scored only on a play from scrimmage or a free kick after a fair catch.)
3. A kickoff may not score a field goal.
4. A kickoff is illegal unless it travels 10 yards OR is touched by the receiving team. Once the ball is touched by the receiving team or has gone 10 yards, it is a free ball. Receivers may recover and advance. Kicking team may recover but NOT advance UNLESS receiver had possession and lost the ball.
5. When a kickoff goes out of bounds between the goal lines without being touched by the receiving team, the ball belongs to the receivers 30 yards from the spot of the kick or at the out-of-bounds spot unless the ball went out-of-bounds the first time an onside kick was attempted. In this case, the kicking team is penalized five yards and the ball must be kicked again.
6. When a kickoff goes out of bounds between the goal lines and is touched last by receiving team, it is receiver?s ball at out-of-bounds spot.
7. If the kicking team either illegally kicks off out of bounds or is guilty of a short free kick on two or more consecutive onside kicks, receivers may take possession of the ball at the dead ball spot, out-of-bounds spot, or spot of illegal touch.

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/kickoff

thanks, found that. what about coming to a stop in the end zone untouched? i guess it's a free ball there too, like i thought. this guy still won't buy it :mj07:

 

[IE]

it would be a free ball.

 

[MadJack]

it would be a free ball.

i agree. printed it out and will settle with him next sunday because NO WAY they show the best game of the week on local TV here

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

He might want the college rulebook since you were watching a college game.

Just sayin'

 

[MadJack]

He might want the college rulebook since you were watching a college game.

Just sayin'

we already established the rule for college

:mfpost

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

Another thing; on that opening kickoff in the bama game, I said suppose the ball came to rest on the 1 yard line, and he says it's bama ball. BULLSHIT, that's a free and live ball and can be recovered by the kickoff team but not advanced. He couldn't find the rule for that either.

What's the rule?

TIA

:shrug:

 

[ageecee]

It use to be a live ball no matter where the ball went. if the ball went into the endzone it was still live until the receiving team picked it up and downed it. I think that was for College and the NFL.


Now that rule may have changed i dont know. With all the new rules in place every year especially for the NFL it wouldnt surprise me that the ball is dead when it enters the endzone.

But the old rule was its a live ball.

 

[MadJack]

:shrug:

oh :mj1:

i just have to find the rule because we all know it's a live ball just like an onsides kick.

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

Very poorly worded post - at a minimum

 

[MadJack]

It use to be a live ball no matter where the ball went. if the ball went into the endzone it was still live until the receiving team picked it up and downed it. I think that was for College and the NFL.


Now that rule may have changed i dont know. With all the new rules in place every year especially for the NFL it wouldnt surprise me that the ball is dead when it enters the endzone.

But the old rule was its a live ball.

it happened last night in the ala/fla game. untouched and died in the end zone. that's what started the discussion.

 

[lostinamerica]

Post #7 in this discussion appears to cite specific NFL rules, and the distinction between a free kick and a scrimmage kick, if you have access to a full Rule Book rather than just a digest of the Rule Book.

http://forum.officiating.com/football/28166-touchback-kickoff.html

GL

 

[Dice34]

In the NFL it is a live ball in the endzone, the player has to control it and either A. down it or B. not make an attempt to come out with the ball, which usually results in the ref stopping the play..

Its not the case in college which you already established....

Not sure if this would shed any light, but the differences are also seen in punt returns...

In the Pros, the ball can break the plane of the goaline and be hit backwards, but the player can not be in the endzone or on the goaline, or its a touchback.....

In College the football can NOT break the plane at all or its an automatic touch back, however the player can be on the line or in the endzone and hit the ball back, again as long as it doesnt break the goaline....

So college football seems to kill the ball when it crosses the goaline....

I'm a fvcking genius

 

[kosar]

it happened last night in the ala/fla game. untouched and died in the end zone. that's what started the discussion.

A great discussion, at that.